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Brakes upgrade - help???

Postby plex » March 12th, 2005, 9:28 am

Doing a brakes upgrade and i want to know what these terms mean :roll:

4 Pot conversion
6 Pot conversion
10 Pot conversion

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Postby Mini » March 12th, 2005, 9:45 am

the 'pot" refers to the number of pistons on each caliper... i.e. 4 pot.. means 4 piston calipers.. two on the outside and two on the inside

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Postby belalegosi » March 12th, 2005, 11:37 am

how do u know the "pot" of your car?
could it be visibly checked?

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Postby InDeForest » March 12th, 2005, 3:50 pm

10 pots? what the frig dred, that dont exist does it?
Anyway, calipers can have the 'pots' (this is the piston that is applying the hydraulic pressure to the brakepad) either on one side (sliding calipers), or both sides (opposing fixed calipers), MOST economy cars would have sliding calipers up front, with either one or two pots on the inside, you can physically see how many pots you have, because there will be a big bump in the metal casting for each pot.
High perf cars would or should have the opposing calipers, and you will see the two lumps in the casting on the outside as well as inside, these are usually 4 pots, or 6 pots (theyre around but you dont really see that stock unless its a supercar),
There are also 2 pot opposing calipers used on the rear, e.g. brembos on evo/skyline/sti etc

The other improvements that go on with these conversions is that they will use larger diameter rotors, and the side effect expense is that you may need to fit larger rims for clearance

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Postby Mini » March 12th, 2005, 7:41 pm

6 pot calipers (opposing according to in de forest)... i.e. 3 on outside and 3 on the inside

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4 pot calipers

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Postby Mini » March 12th, 2005, 7:43 pm

10 pots? what the frig dred, that dont exist does it?


I thought 10 pot calipers was a piece of BS too... but I did some looking.. check this

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Postby TeamH2O » March 12th, 2005, 8:24 pm

WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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Postby plex » March 12th, 2005, 11:31 pm

InDeForest, the 10 Pot does exist, there is a set for Peugeot..

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Postby DIESELTRINI » March 12th, 2005, 11:35 pm

10 piston caliper doesn't make sense to me, if you are going to have such small pistons. Mini, is that a bike caliper by chance? THose pistons are stupid, they don't make use of the size of the caliper.

I think the reason for having a 10-piston caliper like that would be more of a space issue than a peformance issue.

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Postby Mini » March 12th, 2005, 11:41 pm

^^^^ agreed... my metro had 4 piston AP racing brakes in the front

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Postby plex » March 12th, 2005, 11:48 pm

will a 4 Pot be a better choice??

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Postby Mini » March 12th, 2005, 11:58 pm

plex.. what you planning on doing with the car? track use? did you put in an immensely powerful engine? do you NEED 4 piston stopping power?

if you just did minor mods, then why not just invest in some good pads, a set of SS brake lines and a good brake fluid. I did that.. and difference is immense in the stopping power of the car.

Now if you turbo the 306.. then that is something different.. why not go the cheaper route and source something from a larger pug? Say from a 307 or a 405 GTi or something?

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Postby plex » March 13th, 2005, 12:13 am

not track use..but mine plans is to do an engine swap 2.0 litre Pug gti engine with the intention of either supercharge or turbo later on..so i wanted when i spend the money on brakes when i start on engine upgrade i would not have to come back again an incur more expenses with brakes..i have thought about taking from the higher end models..i looking at all angles here..will be glad for suggestions here

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Postby Mini » March 13th, 2005, 12:23 am

good idea to see about the brakes first

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Postby assassin » March 13th, 2005, 3:07 pm

them big brake kits is reeeeal money
...they look damn good though 8)

but i believe u could work up a 4 disc system from another model and get very good results for considerably less $$$

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Postby plex » March 13th, 2005, 4:40 pm

assassin, that true..i looking all angles..but i hear it worth it..if u upgrading the engine...

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Postby Mini » March 13th, 2005, 9:51 pm

plex.. you looking at the Tarox conversions on the ecosse site nah?

they pretty too bad

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Postby pyromaniak » March 14th, 2005, 12:01 am

My suggestion would be to look for the brakes off of the 406. I believe they would give you what you're looking for. They hold really nice and there designed for a hevier car. Part of that obviously would be a result of the rest of the system (Booster etc.) but you could check to see if you could use those parts too. You'd love the stopping power of 4 discs trust me. I have a corolla AE101 and I changed the entire system to that of the corolla GT and wow when I get on the brakes everything from the back seats end up under my foot :D

But It's a really good thing that you're looking at stoping before going. Alot of people do it the other way and find themselves in big, big trouble. You shold also look at suspension too before the engine :!:

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Postby plex » March 15th, 2005, 12:31 am

Mini, i have to agree..the tarox looking on..

pyromaniak, i did suspension already i install bilstein shocks and springs, now moving on to brakes, these days it pays to have good brakes, even though the other mods come later at least i know i have excellent brakes..

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