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The reason for this thread is because I have asked several garge men ( Die hard Nissan men ) the differences and the information collected seemed not on point.
This should help alot of you guys out there with gear box related questions. I got a couple to start the ball rolling.

1) With relation to the SR20 lsd and SR18 lsd gear boxes.... What are the significant differences between them ? ( I am talking Big spline,small spline , and gearing guts )

2 ) Is there any way on outside surface of the gear box you can distinctively see the difference of an SR20 lsd gear box from an SR18 lsd gear box ?


Don't worry I will be googling too to get diagrams and info. to help answer my own questions for those who will like to know. 8-)


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Location: Morvant.. the good part
hope you get answers to your questions.. i also have one
i have a sr18 non lsd hydraulic box mated to a sr20. when I was doing install i could not find the replacement clutch disc. Bobby's in the bamboo said that its not the big but not the small spline.

is there a 3rd size.?

i would like to get an ACT heavy duty pressure plate & street/strip clutch plate. Clutch really slipping now!!


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sr20lsd hydraulic is the big spline box
sr20lsd non hydraulic is the small spline

sr18lsd is small spline
s18 non lsd small spline

difference easy the lsd's have the fin vents on the boxes cannot miss it

the lsd boxes also carry the fat axels

also the sr18 boxes have a closer gear ratio ar ratios
meaning that the car will pull of faster than that of an sr20 but because of the ratios the sr20 box will beat the sr18 box on top end longer gear ratios

perfect box is the 1st and 2nd sr18 and 3rd, 4th 5th sr20


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perfect box is the 1st and 2nd sr18 and 3rd, 4th 5th sr20

true
after 1st and 2nd there is a real performance drop with my sr18 lsd box


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I googled fellas and didn't even get a diagram online of the dam gear box..I noitced the Pulsar froum in Australia have some good info though. I will post somthing once I find some solid info.

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difference easy the lsd's have the fin vents on the boxes cannot miss it


This is not true.. You are speaking of the USDM Spec box from the SER Spec-V. 6 fwd business.

Are there any codes on the boxes that are significantly different that will identify an SR20lsd from an SR18 lsd ( I am speaking of the cable type )

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perfect box is the 1st and 2nd sr18 and 3rd, 4th 5th sr20


How is this possible with out friggin up the final gear ? I understand that you just can't jump in the change up parts from the SR20 and SR18 lsd boxes due to very slight internal gear differences which make a huge difference with performance. :|


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http://www.par-engineering.com/nissanti ... nissangtir


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check motorist for diagrams, when i was looking for the seal they pull up about 4 different sr box diagram with every single part of d box labeled and seperated
aye btw the seal was $45 after discount ...rush them

but thats if they willing to share those diagrams


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The link has been fixed.


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true
after 1st and 2nd there is a real performance drop with my sr18 lsd box

oh mannnnnnnnnn
i love my top end!!
so that means to get back my top end, i'll have to get back a sr20 tranny?


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to get back my top end, i'll have to get back a sr20 tranny?


Tip that is true..

Right now that mixing and matching gear box thing is a hit or miss. The link that I put up is an a company provides stronger internal parts for your gear box so that it can stand up to the power. A common thing with all lsd gear boxes are the 3rd gear stripping. PR engineering has a solution to that. Prices are expensive but will the gear box close to bulletproof :|


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Who does repair sr20 gearbox?
down south
how much for a sr20 big spline lsd box?


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big spline = 24?
small spline = 18?

and what clutch would i use on a big spline box. Nissan Silvia?


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how much for a sr20 big spline lsd box?


LSD box prices gone up pallie.. if yuh lucky you can get one for $3000. Prices are as high as $5000 for one.


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I just notice a small leak below my GB and it looks like a seal by the right side axle is the source of the oil leak.
By chance anyone know the name and cost of this "axle seal" , i wont have time until monday to check around.
a DIY change? or check the mech?


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Question on the awd Sr20 gear box, when u have a awd gear box running only two wheels ( frony or rear) dose it operate as an lsd gear box ? as in power to both wheels.
Are awd Sr20 boxes lsd ?


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dose it operate as an lsd gear box ?


yes

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Are awd Sr20 boxes lsd ?


Yes


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My gear box leaking !!! :x I need an axel seal. Anyone got a right side SR18,SR20 lsd gearbox axel seal ?


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lol good 4 yuh arse! yuh shuda ans my GB seal post

got it at motorist for $45 (big bore for the lsd axels) or $65 (small bore for normal axels)


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yea picasso chek ya pm>gonzo


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Slot of info for you here Jason


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JWT wrote:
sr20lsd hydraulic is the big spline box
sr20lsd non hydraulic is the small spline

sr18lsd is small spline
s18 non lsd small spline

difference easy the lsd's have the fin vents on the boxes cannot miss it

the lsd boxes also carry the fat axels

also the sr18 boxes have a closer gear ratio ar ratios
meaning that the car will pull of faster than that of an sr20 but because of the ratios the sr20 box will beat the sr18 box on top end longer gear ratios

perfect box is the 1st and 2nd sr18 and 3rd, 4th 5th sr20


:mrgreen:


i had a big spline non lsd on a b15 with a sr20vvl


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L4t3ncy wrote:
big spline = 24?
small spline = 18?

and what clutch would i use on a big spline box. Nissan Silvia?


the big spline non lsd box is the same as the non turbo rear wheel drive
i think it is 220 or 221 diameter


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hmm look how i happy i find this topic..

arite well my question is...which one is better?? i heard the small spline SR20 box is stronger than the Big Spline box? any comment on that

also..is the small spline box easier for parts such as Axels (when it comes 2 looking for them 2 buy)

which one is better for a conversion from automatic lsd to a gearbox?? hydraylic or cable box?
which one is stronger??

also how hard is it 2 do a conversion from automatic to manual with a sr20


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which one is better?? i heard the small spline SR20 box is stronger than the Big Spline box? any comment on that

the big spline is stronger

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also..is the small spline box easier for parts such as Axels (when it comes 2 looking for them 2 buy)


yes the small spline is easier to find parts cause its ur everyday gbox that most people use...... hence the reason why people will tell you the small spline is stronger (parts easier to find)


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which one is better for a conversion from automatic lsd to a gearbox?? hydraylic or cable box?
which one is stronger??


i think if you really into tunning ur ride and using it in the field of performance a lsd gbox is the better option....... but because of the cost of a lsd box nowadays :evil: ....... yo could go with a non lsd ....as in strength between the cable and hydraulic i dont noe cause i never used a lsd box with my sr :shock:


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okay cool..well i jus spoke 2 sparkie *the sr man* and well he siad tha how the big spline box is more for SR20DET and ting..so he tell me to go with the small spline..but if the big spline is used for DET's tha really mean it will be stronger and ting...buh how hard is it 2 find parts for the big spline box...ent alot of ppl have sr20det's

and well i getting ah big spline non lsd...when i talk to him again i will run it by him once again and see waz the scene..


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hear what if you really wan to use the big spline the axles will cost (no cut and weld) go by constant velocity in sando and they will have everything for you (they handled me well with respect to time, quality and cost efficiency)

you will need to know the length of the shafts you looking for and if you have a piece of the axle to start it go be easier for them to get a spline count

pm me if you really want to go by them,


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okay then cool well i wanna go by them so :lol: i'll send u a pm now i guess


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