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MG Man wrote:how does the club determine which vehicle has a high CoG?
There are SUVs now that rival performance cars in terms of cornering grip and weight transfer through quick back-to-back corners.........many are more stable than some station wagons........
Maybe roll centre needs to be factored into the equation as well
Rudman wrote:I say let Kirk bring the RAV 4, run it and see what happens. It's the only way to know what will happen for sure. What's the worst that could happen? He rolls, takes out some cones and maybe a marshal or two, but in the interest of science and field testing, acceptable losses.
Why should we discriminate between RAV4's and Forresters for that matter? Who's call was it to let the Forrester run the dex course some years ago?
Kirk, you have my blessings......I say go for it!.....
Mr.Fixables wrote: I still am awaiting an official response from CARS detailing the specific nature of the rules disallowing the specific vehicles from participating.
Red Dawg wrote:I understand what Kirk is asking,
It is not about wanting to compete the RAV4, it is about getting a clear definition of the rules.
One of the things that any motorsport needs to grow is a comprehensive set of rules with clear explanations and definitions.
I would like the officials to explain to me why a Porsche Cayenne or a BMW X5 cannot compete, when these cars clearly out handle anything that regularly shows up at Solodex.
Personally I think that Solodex is quickly going the same way that circuit racing has in T&T.
Mr. Fixables wrote:I think a clear and defined response from the CARS exec will put this to rest quickly.
I have evolved from the Solodex gene pool, it has made me into the driver I am today and would love for the sport to continue to grow
Yorkshirelass wrote:Were SUV's allowed to race when you did Autocross in the States Kirk?
Mr. Fixables wrote:I am pretty sure the execs have seen this post, yet they are unable to grace us with a one liner about the topic.
If you are discussing it, say so, your silence makes you guys all the more open to scrutiny.
Are you guys hoping it will go away? Like the protest I made last year, and to date nothing has ever been done?
Kirk
Yorkshirelass wrote:CARS follows the guidelines of the SCCA who state
Unstable vehicles with a high center of gravity and a narrow track, includ- ing SUVs, minivans, and 4WD pickups, must be excluded.
When CARS was established the rules of the SCCA were used as a basis for the rule book. Yes that was a while ago, however, this is one rule that the SCCA have stuck to as when researching this, it is still stated in their current rule book. Also, most of the SSR's for each district also seem to reiterate this rule.
Must have a good reason for it.
We're you allowed to race an SUV when you did Autocross in the States Kirk?
Mr. Fixables wrote:Yorkshirelass wrote:CARS follows the guidelines of the SCCA who state
Unstable vehicles with a high center of gravity and a narrow track, includ- ing SUVs, minivans, and 4WD pickups, must be excluded.
When CARS was established the rules of the SCCA were used as a basis for the rule book. Yes that was a while ago, however, this is one rule that the SCCA have stuck to as when researching this, it is still stated in their current rule book. Also, most of the SSR's for each district also seem to reiterate this rule.
Must have a good reason for it.
We're you allowed to race an SUV when you did Autocross in the States Kirk?
Firstly,
Thanks to CARS for replying to this post.
Glad to see you are following the SCCA format, they have done their research, and continue to modify their ruleset. Maybe the SUV omission may be a good call in order to alleviate any future mishaps.
As per the quote by Yorkeshirelass, the pickup omissions are for 4WD pickups, not 2WD. Maybe you guys have another reason for that as well.
However, to answer the quote above, there were quite a few Foresters competing in the Atlanta Region, with one winning the SM class hands down. Seeing you guys follow the SCCA format, I do look forward to Foresters tearing up the Solodex courses soon.
And Vishnu, by no means am I upset about the RAV4 not being able to run, what I did see was the "I don't know" responses which never really gave me the confidence that the reason was well thought out, thus I exercised my right to question the rule, no more, no less.
If you feel that there was some personal vendetta against CARS, so be it.
Kirk
wagonrunner wrote:But as you mention foresters, I recall them racing at dex already. the Lower STI version.
Not the XT, and whatever other (tuscon height at that time) models.
I use that comparison because a buddy had both. sorry.
X2 wrote:*Puts downpayment on new Forester*
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