The Religion Discussion

[RBphoto]

nothing wrong with tasting other flavours to see what suits you best IMO

I agree 100%, but I know of one woman I will never say that to.... even in context

[Chimera]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

[Dizzy28]

In on Pg 300!!!!!

Might as well ask a question to Adam B......Why does your all powerful god allow 6 million Jews to manners 100 million Muslims. Further he allows Jerusalem to be in Jewish control. Based on that I would worship the god whose people are in control.

[AdamB]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

[Chimera]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

[AdamB]

In on Pg 300!!!!!

Might as well ask a question to Adam B......Why does your all powerful god allow 6 million Jews to manners 100 million Muslims. Further he allows Jerusalem to be in Jewish control. Based on that I would worship the god whose people are in control.

OUR All Powerful GOD does WHATEVER HE WISHES.

Why we talking about world politics?

Why did HE allow the Jews at the time of Moses to be mannered by the people of Pharoah in Egypt? Why did HE allow them to wander for years in the wilderness / desert? Why did HE allow 6 Million Jews to be slaughtered by Hitler? Why did HE allow the United (against muslims) Nations to form the state of Israel in the middle East? Why not in Europe or Germany where they were persecuted? Why does HE allow there to be more UN resolutions against Israel MORE THAN ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH??

Why does HE allow countless US Vetoes in support of Israel's evil actions?

Why does HE allow Christians to support Israel whilst the Jews despise Christians?

All of these are tests and trials upon mankind, just like it is a trial for some to be rich and others poor.

Here is a list of UN resolutions that Israel has not complied with, far more than Iraq. Note that she has also illegally developed nuclear weapons. Further, the situation is far worse than would at first appear, it involves the serious distortion of the official Security Council record by the profligate use by the United States of its veto power. (See Table) Israel's, defiance goes back to its very beginnings. This collection of resolutions criticizing Israel is unmatched by the record of any other nation as Israel stands in violation of more UN resolutions than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH.

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" 1955-1992: *
Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid". *
Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people". * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions". *
Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria". Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control". *
Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees". Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan". *
Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250". *
Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital". *
Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation". * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation". *
Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport". *
Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan". * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem". *
Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon". *
Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem". *
Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon". * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon". *
Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon". * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem". * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon". * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon". *
Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty". * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon". *
Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon. * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces". *
Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". *
Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon". *
Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories". *
Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program". *
Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon". * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return". *
Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians". *
Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". *
Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'". * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'". *
Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re- admit two deported Palestinian mayors". *
Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility". *
Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith". *
Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon". *
Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops". *
Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon". *
Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in". *
Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon". *
Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon". *
Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut". *
Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters. *
Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw". *
Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops". *
Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians. *
Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention. *
Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians". *
Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians. * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount. *
Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations. Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return. *
Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for there immediate return.

1993 to 1995UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995) UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12, 1995) UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) lUNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) UNGA Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995) UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995) UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the Middle East (Feb 7 1995) UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb 7 1995) UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995) UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994) UNGA Res 48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993) UNGA Res 48/41 - Human Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993) UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec 16 1993) UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armament (Dec 16 1993) UNGA Res 48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/124- Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/158- Question of Palestine (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli Settlements (Dec 21 1993) ==========+++===========

U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (1972-2002)
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Vetoes: 1972-1982 Subject Date & Meeting US Rep Casting Veto Vote Palestine: Syrian-Lebanese Complaint. 3 power draft resolution 2/10784 9/10/1972 Bush 13-1, 1 Palestine: Examination of Middle East Situation. 8-power draft resolution (S/10974) 7/2/1973 Scali 13-1, 0 (China not partic.) Palestine: Egyptian-Lebanese Complaint. 5-power draft power resolution (S/11898) 12/8/1975 Moynihan 13-1, 1 Palestine: Middle East Problem, including Palestinian question. 6- power draft resolution (S/11940) 1/26/1976 Moynihan 9-1,3 (China & Libya not partic.) Palestine: Situation in Occupied Arab Territories. 5-power draft resolution (S/12022) 3/25/1976 Scranton 14-1,0 Palestine: Report on Committee on Rights of Palestinian People. 4- power draft resolution (S/121119) 6/29/1976 Sherer 10-1,4 Palestine: Palestinian Rights. Tunisian draft resolution. (S/13911) 4/30/1980 McHenry 10-1,4 Palestine: Golan Heights. Jordan draft resolution. (S/14832/Rev. 2) 1/20/1982 Kirkpatrick 9-1,5 Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, Jordan draft resolution (S/14943) 4/2/1982 Lichenstein 13-1,1 Palestine: Incident at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. 4-power draft resolution 4/20/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1, 0 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. Spain draft resolution. (S/15185) 6/8/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1,0 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. France draft resolution. (S/15255/Rev. 2) 6/26/1982 Lichenstein 14-1 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. USSR draft resolution. (S/15347/Rev. 1, as orally amended) 8/6/1982 Lichenstein 11-1,3 Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories, 20-power draft resolution (S/15895) 8/2/1983 Lichenstein 13-1,1 Security Council Vetoes/Negative voting 1983-present Subject Date Vote Occupied Arab Territories: Wholesale condemnation of Israeli settlement policies - not adopted 1983 S. Lebanon: Condemns Israeli action in southern Lebanon. S/16732 9/6/1984 Vetoed: 13-1 (U.S.), with 1 abstention (UK) Occupied Territories: Deplores "repressive measures" by Israel against Arab population. S/19459. 9/13/1985 Vetoed: 10-1 (U.S.), with 4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK, France) Lebanon: Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17000. 3/12/1985 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK) Occupied Territories: Calls upon Israel to respect Muslim holy places. S/17769/Rev. 1 1/30/1986 Vetoed: 13-1 (US), with one abstention (Thailand) Lebanon: Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17730/Rev. 2. 1/17/1986 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK) Libya/Israel: Condemns Israeli interception of Libyan plane. S/17796/Rev. 1. 2/6/1986 Vetoed: 10 -1 (US), with 4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, France, UK) Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored repeated Israeli attacks against Lebanese territory and other measures and practices against the civilian population; (S/19434) 1/18/1988 vetoed 13-1 (US), with 1 abstention (UK) Lebanon: Draft condemned recent invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and repeated a call for the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Lebanese territory; (S/19868) 5/10/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored the recent Israeli attack against Lebanese territory on 9 December 1988; (S/20322) 12/14/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft called on Israel to accept de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention; (S/19466) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories; (S/19780) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Strongly deplored Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories, and strongly deplored also Israel's continued disregard of relevant Security Council decisions. 2/17/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Condemned Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories. 6/9/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Deplored Israel's policies and practices in the occupied territories. 11/7/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: NAM draft resolution to create a commission and send three security council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunmen shot down seven Palestinian workers. 5/31/1990 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East: Confirms that the expropriation of land by Israel in East Jerusalem is invalid and in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions and provisions of the Fourth Geneva convention; expresses support of peace process, including the Declaration of Principles of 9/13/1993 5/17/1995 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East: Calls upon Israeli authorities to refrain from all actions or measures, including settlement activities. 3/7/1997 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East: Demands that Israel cease construction of the settlement in east Jerusalem (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians and Har Homa by Israel), as well as all the other Israeli settlement activity in the occupied territories 3/21/1997 Vetoed 13-1,1 (US) Call for UN Observers Force in West Bank, Gaza 3/27/2001 Vetoed 9-1 (US), with four abstentions (Britain, France, Ireland and Norway) Condemned acts of terror, demanded an end to violence and the establishment of a monitoring mechanism to bring in observers. 12/15/2001 Vetoed 12-1 (US) with two abstentions (Britain and Norway) Source: U.S. State Department.

[AdamB]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

Well maybe yuh cud consider giving him 20% of ABA Trading to share back to the congregation.

Ah wonder if he would allow a financial audit from Ernst and Young?

[AdamB]

Trying to break the barrier into page 301 but this page like the Energizer bunny!!

[AdamB]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

Well maybe yuh cud consider giving him 20% of ABA Trading to share back to the congregation.

Ah wonder if he would allow a financial audit from Ernst and Young?

Where in the bible does GOD legislate to give 10% or 20% to the church? Where is this in the gospel of Jesus (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)?

[Chimera]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

Well maybe yuh cud consider giving him 20% of ABA Trading to share back to the congregation.

Ah wonder if he would allow a financial audit from Ernst and Young?

no thanks
This is my belief
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[sMASH]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0

it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

Well maybe yuh cud consider giving him 20% of ABA Trading to share back to the congregation.

Ah wonder if he would allow a financial audit from Ernst and Young?

Where in the bible does GOD legislate to give 10% or 20% to the church? Where is this in the gospel of Jesus (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)?

they could change the name to miracle ministeries credit union or miracle mutual fund ministries
talk about church of investing.
'come to us, and earn in this life and the next'

[AdamB]

!! I'm off to join Pastor Cuffie's church, that's enough evidence for me.

A gentle reminder, yuh might have to cuff up 10% for the cuffers of the Cuffies.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=351170&start=0


it's actually 20%, which he invests in business and profits are shared back to congregation,

daz what one of them tell me anyway.

Well maybe yuh cud consider giving him 20% of ABA Trading to share back to the congregation.

Ah wonder if he would allow a financial audit from Ernst and Young?

Where in the bible does GOD legislate to give 10% or 20% to the church? Where is this in the gospel of Jesus (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)?

they could change the name to miracle ministeries credit union or miracle mutual fund ministries
talk about church of investing.
'come to us, and earn in this life and the next'[/quote]
From what I heard, they does be unrelenting and bullying people to buy over their businesses.

[MG Man]

this is not page 300,
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Dizzy28]

[/quote]
Where in the bible does GOD legislate to give 10% or 20% to the church? Where is this in the gospel of Jesus (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)?[/quote]

they could change the name to miracle ministeries credit union or miracle mutual fund ministries
talk about church of investing.
'come to us, and earn in this life and the next'[/quote]

Who say Church and Credit Union?

[mitsu_chick941]

but seriously though,


























eeeen pg 300

[AdamB]

In on Pg 300!!!!!

Might as well ask a question to Adam B......Why does your all powerful god allow 6 million Jews to manners 100 million Muslims. Further he allows Jerusalem to be in Jewish control. Based on that I would worship the god whose people are in control.

Oh gyard,
Ah forget to mention the US Aid / Funding to Israel!! Check it out at http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/co ... srael.html

A chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress shows[color=#FF0000] Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996.

In precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.

According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.

Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.[/color]

[hong kong phooey]

on to page 301

[AdamB]

O you who believe! Fear Allah / ALMIGHTY GOD(by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. [Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always], and die not except in a state of Islam [as Muslims (with complete submission to allah)].
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #102)

PG 301?

[AdamB]

EUREKA!!!!!

[Sky]

RAAAHHH
PAGE 301

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Dizzy28]

In on Pg 300!!!!!

Might as well ask a question to Adam B......Why does your all powerful god allow 6 million Jews to manners 100 million Muslims. Further he allows Jerusalem to be in Jewish control. Based on that I would worship the god whose people are in control.

Oh gyard,
Ah forget to mention the US Aid / Funding to Israel!! Check it out at http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/co ... srael.html

A chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress shows[color=#FF0000] Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996.

In precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.

According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.

Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.[/color]

USA>Allah??

[MG Man]

was only a matter of time before adamb started the anti-us propaganda
fnantic much?

[Dizzy28]

was only a matter of time before adamb started the anti-us propaganda
fnantic much?

Well I will take some of the blame. But I just wanted to know why the all powerful Allah allows the existence of Israel to the consternation of Muslims worldwide.

[MG Man]

lol I wanna know why they built their mosque on top the church, then sayin nobody can conduct archaeological digs on 'their' sacred site.....

[Sky]

I think they should nuke Jerusalem every 12-18 months and call it preventative maintenance.

[sMASH]

light the fuse, man. go on, light it....

[d spike]

If someone offers something to you and you don't want it, then just say "NO THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER THOUGH".

Quite right.
However, this is in response to a polite offer. Whatever does one do when these "offerers" vilify and deride another religion/scriptures, and proceed to force their opinion on others and ram their own religion down one's throat?

However, where would Christianity be today if everyone told that to ALL of the disciples of Jesus?

Or Islam, for that matter?
Just because something was done at one time to fulfill a need (whether real or imaginary) does not mean that action will always be the best action or decision for all time...
As society evolves and humanity matures, so too does the thinking behind religions...
Are you going to put me to the sword because I refuse to follow your religion?
Religious thinking matures, as awareness and knowledge allows it. We have come a long way from sacred stones and animal sacrifice... haven't we?

Maybe I should print out the above and read it to my friendly neighbourhood Jehovah's Witnesses whom I always engage in discussion. At least they are trying to follow the ways of their prophet, I can't give them wrong for that.

Who is "their prophet"?

The biggest irony would be if I bounce up dspike one day on the street with a Good News magazine and ah show him his post above, printed on a napkin!

I am clearly against fundamentalist thinking. The fact that, after all that I have said, you still think that I might be a JW, means you either know very little about their beliefs, or you haven't read what I wrote.

Why don't Christians be honest and say what is the faith of those who don't follow their faith from Christian Theology?

I am very sorry to say this, as the author's feelings will be hurt, but... what exactly does this heap of codswallop mean?
I have taught the use of the English language for decades (and Religion even longer) and I have absolutely no idea what this nonsensical hobgobbery is supposed to mean.

Ah not looking it up, I want you guys to say (dspike/Red Fraction/Megadoc1).

Ahh yes... the lazy-spirited response of the ignorant. 'Tis bliss, isn't it? Waiting for someone to state a response in order for you to sneer at it and sweep it aside with some hollow remark. You just want others to set up targets for you to knock over...
Sorry, not me. I have had to deal with these sort of arguments for longer than I care to remember.
I enjoy intelligent discussion, but fanatics and pseudo-intellectuals are a pain, so I employ a simple method to weed out these characters: ask them to research the item under discussion. If they truly are interested in holding a discussion, then they will perform the simple task. If they just want to force their opinion on you or just give a false impression, they soon give up.

If everyone else will go to hell, then aren't you being selfish by not sharing what you know. 300 pages and years of old talk and you wouldn't say "guys...this is for you too!!" Come on be honest. Otherwise you wasting time.

That means YOU HAVEN'T READ A SINGLE THING I WROTE.
I have said QUITE CLEARLY that each of us has to find his path.
What is YOUR PROBLEM? YOU CAN'T READ? Or you won't?

That statement of yours also means that you haven't a clue as to what this discussion is about. This is not a "convert the heathen" thread. This is a DISCUSSION.

Look people, I am delivering a message to you, take it or leave it, I ent go vex.

This is a DISCUSSION. Use PM for messaging, okay?
In a discussion, one party will make a statement or ask a question. The other parties either answer the query or make statements in response.
There is no "taking" and "leaving". If you want a soap-box, grow a pair and build yourself a mosque/church/wossname.

So don't take it so personal, if it doesn't suit your liking leave it, if it does and you want know more, send me a pm!!

You clearly have never been in a discussion that involves either criticism or intellectual engagement or both. I'm sorry if you cannot deal with being shown where you are wrong, but if you make erroneous comments in a discussion, someone is going to point them out. I'm afraid you have a great deal of growing up to do still.

Please ask if you do not understand, rather than make errant statements - this will only cause you embarrassment, and make you seem less knowledgeable than you wish.

[megadoc1]

d spike,how long again before this adam b dude overtake me? ...lol

[Red Fraction]

man + logic / God = fail
Man + faith * God = pass

Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Jussaying

so you are saying do not use logic?

I'm. Saying yes use it, but not as the foundation to base things from the bible on

[maj. tom]