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wagonrunner wrote:kurpal_v2 wrote:wagonrunner wrote:Hope the backup for the turnoff at golconda doesn't exceed the length of the offramp.
Aslo hope it's done similar to couva where right turns across traffic are almost non existant
I'd think that's the president set across all new major intersections
http://www.nidco.co.tt/Comprehensive%20Land%20Transportation%20Programme-San%20Fernando%20to%20Point%20Fortin.pdf
from the picture there,
if coming from golconda and heading north, what do you do?
if coming from san fernandp and heading south, what do you do?
kurpal_v2 wrote:Anyone see the mess they made this afternoon with the southbound turn off? Can't imagine that was thought of with trucks in mind.
demented wrote:Golconda to Debe segment being opened for public use on the 30th. Will the reroute movement group use this new higway?
Team Loco wrote:Steups. Allyuh give it a chance to work nah. Geeze
wagonrunner wrote:kurpal_v2 wrote:Anyone see the mess they made this afternoon with the southbound turn off? Can't imagine that was thought of with trucks in mind.
ditto.
Who wants to guess what the monday morning backup of heavy T and extra heavy T vehicles will be like?
shh nah bhai. doh use your vision and common sense. try it, then realize yuh stuck somewhere in the middle.kurpal_v2 wrote:If you mean the hairpin turn they expect trucks to make in one movement then I'm sorry but that was a huge fail.
Solodex courses seem to have more thought put into them.
not everyone needs to be burned by hot coals to know you shouldn't pick it up.Team Loco wrote:Steups. Allyuh give it a chance to work nah. Geeze
HURRY wrote:HURRY wrote:Highway Re-Route wrote:Most trini’s believe that creating an asphalt and concrete jungle is true development with little or no consideration to the environment. How an I change your mindset? A small minority including myself adore nature..the rest believe that the tall buildings in New York city is absolutely marvelous and what we should aim for here.
After reading all your posts, perhaps I should define what is sustainable development - it is a pattern of growth in which resource use aims to meet (Sociopolitical) human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come (Wikipedia)
THIS HIGHWAY DOES NOT PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.
Environmental - Over 400 acres of prime agricultural lands will be destroyed. This affects 200 farmers who depend on their lands to support their families and provide much needed income in these hard times. Imagine destroying soil with a geo-fertilty of 15 feet deep which could support a fifteen hundred year food basket. Agriculture, Food Production and nutrition security is ranked 2nd in the government's five priority items in it's medium term policy framework...
There is very little noise and dust pollution in the areas carded for destruction plus the abundant vegetation works to counter balance any CO2 emissions.
These areas have a rich and diverse historical and cultural background. The site where Trinidad's oldest resident - The Banwari Man - is in close proximity to the proposed highway. Lastly this project will use up 7.6 BILLION Dollars - maybe more than that - financing which has not so far been forthcoming. The 1.5 Billion Dollars which they are using currently was taken from Central Bank's trasury deposits - tax payers income.
I am glad for the highway. I can't wait for it to reach Point Fortin so that I can carry out my job more efficiently and not waste time stuck in traffic.Rory Phoulorie wrote::| I am glad for the highway. I can't wait for it to reach Point Fortin so that I can carry out my job more efficiently and not waste time stuck in traffic.
In one day I could now visit Aunty Phulbassie in Debe, Uncle Sookdeo in Penal and my cousin Palackdharrysingh in Penal and not have to look for shocks and other suspension bits the next day.
Kublalsingh and his ignorant followers could haul their asses right back to where they came from.
backward indian again. HURRY wrote:Just so you know... they NEVER had a problem with this part of the highway, and said so repeatedly in the media... but like under your rock doh get Radio 610 oh wha?
kurpal_v2 wrote:HURRY wrote:Just so you know... they NEVER had a problem with this part of the highway, and said so repeatedly in the media... but like under your rock doh get Radio 610 oh wha?
How come they dont? Dont highways spoil the enviroment, take up agricultural lands,cause corruption, spoil the 'pristine beauty of the landscape with concrete and aphalt', increase the carbon foot print etc, etc, etc,etc, lie,lie.lie.?
Sabot wrote:Seeing a lot of these otters lately, one crossed the road in front of me in vega d oropuche recently. Know of some rivers that you can also go chill by and see them frolic; quite amusing little creatures.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Ott ... 22831.html
Otter loses his way
Proof of environmental impact of mega highway project...
By Stories by Kim Boodram
Story Created: Oct 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM ECT
THE protest against the Debe to Mon Desir Highway had a new, seemingly unwilling spectator yesterday—a protected river otter who appeared to have been trapped when his waterway was cut off by construction on the mega project.
Looking sad and weary, the otter was spotted by Express photographer, Trevor Watson, about 30 metres away from the highway segment being developed between South Oropouche Junction and the contentious Mon Desir overpass.
Trinidad is home to an ever-shrinking population of the indigenous Lontra longicaudis (Neotropical River Otter), which is now listed as endangered. The otters have lost numbers over the decades due to poaching and loss of habitat. It is therefore listed locally as a protected species, making it illegal to kill or cause to be killed a river otter.
The waterway in which the animal seems to be trapped appears to be the Tarouba River, which runs parallel to the highway construction and over which, according to the highway design plan, the Tarouba River bridge is due to be built, where the river intersects with the highway.
The river appeared to have been cut off just before its mouth.
The waterway, though large, seemed somewhat stagnant, with dark patches and old leaves. A healthy, happy river otter is normally playful and energetic but this fellow was listless and slow.
Not far away, the Highway Re-Route Movement (HRM), has set up camp, and stages daily protests against the Mon Desir segment of the highway, which it says will destroy the ecology of the area.
Head of the Movement, Dr Wayne Kublalsingh, who has been arrested several times for attempting to block construction equipment, said yesterday the otter’s apparent plight was a “sad” vindication of the Movement’s claims.
Kublalsingh said the blocking of the waterway was only one example of violations of the Certificate of Environmental Clearance (CEC) granted to the State for the project by the Environmental Management Authority (EMA).
“This would be the responsibility of the EMA, as there has been no EMA supervision of this project,” Kublalsingh said yesterday.
Chairman of the EMA, Dr Allan Bachan, said differently, stating that compliance officers from the authority visit the site according to the rules of the CEC.
“Once the requirements are being met, then it’s not our responsibility,” Bachan said.
Bachan has since informed the Wildlife Department of the Forestry Division of the otter’s predicament.
Speaking for the activist group, Papa Bois Conservation, director Marc de Verteuil said, “This is an example of how human development destroys the natural environment and form insurmountable barriers for animal and plant species.
“It’s not just that concrete and asphalt destroy wildlife habitat. What we are doing is creating genetic islands. “For instance, the East-West Corridor has caused wildlife to the north to be separated from wildlife to the south. “No longer will there be an exchange of genetic material between separated populations, leading to genetically less diverse and healthy populations. The highway project will do the same.”
Other countries have found a supposed solution in creating animal bridges and tunnels to allow wildlife to cross these barriers, de Verteuil said, but in Trinidad, despite this highway being one of the world’s most expensive per mile, “we take no environmental prisoners”.
“Scandalously, the highway project also destroys mangrove,” he said.
“There are engineering solutions which would have spared the mangrove, but they were considered too expensive, because our planners and politicians have no understanding of the value of healthy, ecosystems.”
Highway Re-Route wrote:The Case -:
*The Ministry of Works wants to build two (2) highways from Point Fortin. One goes from Point to Mon Desir, along the Mosquito Creek to San Fernando. We are not challenging this highway. This one is a bonus for the people of deep South who suffered for too long.
*The other one is a 6 foot high, 9.1 mile embankment through the Oropuche Basin, passing through thirteen communities from Mon Desir to Debe. This one will create massive dislocation, flooding, and alienate fertile lands.
* It will generate metropolitan sprawl in peaceful, well-knit, empowered communities. We are against this madness. This is highway robbery, make-work for contractors - make work to build it and make work to clean up when the floods hit.
* We want the repair and widening of roads in this area, as well as the use of outlying secondary roads to create connectivity in this area.
* This Mon Desir to Debe is overkill, unnecessary, too costly, corrupt, violent, bogus and frankly, a dumb deal for Trinidad and Tobago.
grad wrote:
also, take out the boodhai's and you will end up with about five people. for the largely publicized women of HRRM in POS, according to the express, there were 11 persons. i kid you not. they make it sound like everyone is against it, when it isn't so.
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