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World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby geodude » March 27th, 2012, 3:05 am

Found this article on the BBC

Viewpoint: How hackers could decapitate the internet

A recent threat, purportedly from the hacker group Anonymous, stated boldly that its members would stop the internet on 31 March :shock:

Those issuing the threat even stated how they would do it. They claimed they could disable the Domain Name Service (known by engineers as the DNS) and that would stop the internet.

The theory behind the proposed attack is based on the fact that the Domain Name Service is a tree structure: it starts with 13 servers at the top level and each of those talks to the next level down, which then pass it on to a further level down, and so on.

When the threat was made, it did cause some concern as the would-be hackers correctly identified the locations of the top level systems.



article here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17472447

so what say you BS or be prepared?

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby heavyweight280 » March 27th, 2012, 3:12 am

geodude wrote:Found this article on the BBC

Viewpoint: How hackers could decapitate the internet

A recent threat, purportedly from the hacker group Anonymous, stated boldly that its members would stop the internet on 31 March :shock:

Those issuing the threat even stated how they would do it. They claimed they could disable the Domain Name Service (known by engineers as the DNS) and that would stop the internet.

The theory behind the proposed attack is based on the fact that the Domain Name Service is a tree structure: it starts with 13 servers at the top level and each of those talks to the next level down, which then pass it on to a further level down, and so on.

When the threat was made, it did cause some concern as the would-be hackers correctly identified the locations of the top level systems.



article here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17472447

so what say you BS or be prepared?


got a project due, so hoping this is april fools :-/

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby sliderz1 » March 27th, 2012, 3:28 am

Saturday?.....will not be bothered by internet

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby geodude » March 27th, 2012, 4:12 am

waiting for the forum tech gurus to give their insight, if you read the article the various specialists all say that its possible but no one comments on how seriously the threat should be taken,

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Scoobert Bauce » March 27th, 2012, 5:13 am

unless anon somehow has access to the backbone ISP's, will never happen, the internet is wayyyyy too big. Anon full of sheit as usual

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Scoobert Bauce » March 27th, 2012, 5:17 am

but forreal though, who is the retards da does be coming up with these "missions" for these people? They need to go outside.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Scoobert Bauce » March 27th, 2012, 5:20 am

and plus the top tier routers handle HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of routes a minute (I assume) Their DDoS BS wouldnt work lol

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Bareback » March 27th, 2012, 7:24 am

I am not an internet specialist but based on this presentation their plan has some merit to it. It is 20 pages long so I am only including the link:

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/650.445 ... tation.pdf

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby ~Vēġó~ » March 27th, 2012, 8:22 am

guess that's why blink does be so crappy....they practicing for this!!!!

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Postby turbosingh » March 27th, 2012, 8:33 am

sliderz1 wrote:Saturday?.....will not be bothered by internet


X2 :|

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Bizzare » March 27th, 2012, 8:36 am

bet they can't change the price of bodi ;)

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Postby VexXx Dogg » March 27th, 2012, 8:40 am

Doubt it.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby douglaking » March 27th, 2012, 8:41 am

Bizzare wrote:bet they can't change the price of bodi ;)



You sure........Sony was sure they wouldn't be able to put them down

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Postby ruff neck chicken » March 27th, 2012, 8:57 am

no Trinituner on Saturday :(

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Bareback » March 27th, 2012, 11:30 am

As long as de TV wokin and Flow eh stickin, I good........................

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby stev » March 27th, 2012, 11:36 am

not possible...

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby Country_Bookie » March 27th, 2012, 11:46 am

TT playing against Bim in the Oval starting Friday. Who gives a fcuk abt the internet?

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby venomz » March 27th, 2012, 11:55 am

i think they can pull it off based on simple methods, however since dey have told the authorities, im sure lots of security measures will be put in place to curb such and event from taking place.

IF THEY WERE SERIOUS, do the crime and talk after! imho

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby ADONI » March 27th, 2012, 12:33 pm

No DNS!!! I going start recording IP addresses from now!!!

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby belalegosi » March 27th, 2012, 8:12 pm

Scoobert Bauce wrote: They need to go outside.


said the guy who made 3 consecutive posts each 3 mins apart :shock:

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby geodude » March 27th, 2012, 8:57 pm

Scoobert Bauce wrote:and plus the top tier routers handle HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of routes a minute (I assume) Their DDoS BS wouldnt work lol



it was agreed in the article that a normal DOS won't work due to the complexity of the servers in question, however in the same article they stated that it could be possibly done via tricking the actual server to essentially flood themselves with large quantities of data due to "amplification" as discussed below

But there is a potential problem if hackers subvert the way the DNS has been set up to make it part of the attack.

This could be done by a process dubbed "amplification" which exploits two facts:

* A DNS query returns far more information than was in the request itself.

* It is relatively easy to falsify the address from which a query was sent.

To carry out the assault the hacker would first identify a target system and then create an army of bots spoofing its IP address.
This botnet would then send a large number of requests to the DNS which would reply, resulting in a much larger amount of data being fired at the target, causing it to be swamped.
Create several such botnets and select several targets and you can cause the DNS to flood the very network it is supposed to be serving.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby X2 » March 27th, 2012, 9:36 pm

Bullshift...

They planning to disable the actual internet ? Something like that would literally kill people... we not talking the world wide web here... Too many systems depend on the net.... PSN, Facebook, google... they can crash em all... take down the internet itself ? military action would be necessary in a case like that.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby geodude » March 27th, 2012, 9:49 pm

but wouldn't be cool to do it if you could?

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby brudab » March 27th, 2012, 10:37 pm

Won't happen. Not that it's impossible, but the hacker would also be cutting himself off the internet too..

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby redmanjp » March 27th, 2012, 10:54 pm

brudab wrote:Won't happen. Not that it's impossible, but the hacker would also be cutting himself off the internet too..


if he have his own dns server or have a list of IPs he would still be good to go



and just in case note this IP: 74.3.166.170

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby BrotherHood » March 27th, 2012, 11:42 pm

Saturday is to do run arounds and see about the vehicle. I won't be bothered nor will the price of cassava be affected.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby TK! » March 28th, 2012, 12:45 am

Scoobert Bauce wrote:unless anon somehow has access to the backbone ISP's


more likely it will be the root DNS servers. there are 13 master root servers globally. a DDoS on them is highly unlikely and poisoning of their entries to cause a downstream mudlding of dns queries seems a far stretch of the imagination.

IF this happens, it will only be because someone wants to allow it to happen.. thereby creating a reason to dissolve the internet 1 ... and force a migration to encrypted DNS or the [already exisiting] internet 2 ... which runs on very different rules, akin to big brother. this will allow for more control and less piracy and supposedly, less freedom of speech.

but that's another conspiracy theory that's too crazy to believe.

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby rfari » March 28th, 2012, 12:52 am

IB4thegeeks.

Nevermind :|

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby X2 » March 28th, 2012, 2:28 am

TK! wrote:... ... and force a migration to encrypted DNS or the [already exisiting] internet 2 ... which runs on very different rules, akin to big brother. this will allow for more control and less piracy and supposedly, less freedom of speech.

but that's another conspiracy theory that's too crazy to believe.



...too crazy to believe you say ?

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Re: World wide internet black out March 31st???

Postby TK! » March 28th, 2012, 4:01 am

bad news for Siri users :-/ ... lol

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