Minister of Sport: No land for motorsport without unity

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

steups.....make ttasa an offer they can't refuse

YUP- retire NOW or face an Extremely embarassing and hurtful suitation.

Embarassing? Thais like pelting water on a dasheen leaf.

whats a dasheen?

[crazybalhead]

steups.....make ttasa an offer they can't refuse

YUP- retire NOW or face an Extremely embarassing and hurtful suitation.

Embarassing? Thais like pelting water on a dasheen leaf.

whats a dasheen?

Dasheen is a green leafy plant with a large heart shaped leaf. Used in the caribbean to make callaloo and the root is eaten as well. Called Taro in Hawaii and the pacific.

It's thought that the name Dasheen, is derived from the patois "De chine" or of china, because of the association with Asian people.

The indians also use it to cook "bhaji" a dish comprising of the green leaf sauteed with garlic.

[MG Man]

dasheen pork does lash

[sMASH]

^^ do not want

[frustr8ed]

let me try this again
Link, who is the treasurer of TTASA?

nobody?
How can you have a National Governing Body collecting money with no treasurer and no accountability? Is this legal?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

thanks to Sinister Audio for the video

[sMASH]

wait, whut??? MoT giving ttasa ah track in the east?

bai, if i was anil, i build the facility, hire a facilities management team, a international marketing team, and track technicians from various places for various disciplines, and run the show mehself, of course being the largest shareholder in the system.

ttasa don't have the capability to treat with autosports as a business with loses to protect against.

[Aaron 2NR]

^^^^ the ministry cannot do such....if it was that easy it would have been done Years before......

[professor]

Is the Minister's continued use of the word 'Autosport' instead of 'Motorsport' a subliminal slip ?
Could this be a sign where his heart lies ?

[sMASH]

i know it's not the duty of the ministry to get involved... a wild brain cell appeared suddenly.

if i really had the money, i would have made a complex meh self.... it is a good business, if managed well. probably on one of the smaller islands that already geared towards tourism.

[pete]

Is the Minister's continued use of the word 'Autosport' instead of 'Motorsport' a subliminal slip ?
Could this be a sign where his heart lies ?

Is it the TTMSA?

[AutoSport]

Is the Minister's continued use of the word 'Autosport' instead of 'Motorsport' a subliminal slip ?
Could this be a sign where his heart lies ?

Nothing subliminal here Professor.
Just the brilliance of selecting a proper name 17 years ago!

[professor]

Good one Autosport.

[TeamH2O]

"AutoSport" needs to take over and save this country of everything motorsports....so far there is a good job of drag and wind!

[UML]

Mohammed Ali say he cant get an appointment to see Anil for more than a year now....Anil say he has a open door policy and anyone can come and see him.....he said Ali mussee dont have a cellphone, legs, car to come and see him.

Anil said that Ali claims that his (Anil) statement that TTASA was not unified was a lie then Ali said it was indeed true. He said Ali needs to get that one association that not unified together, hug up love up and then come and see him to move motorsport forward.....the ball in Ali's court.

[SR]

roflmao

never happen

too many years of personal bitterness

[Monk BANzai]

roflmao

never happen

too many years of personal bitterness

Actually SR,

it can happen. Look at Taroba Stadium...ALOT of pockets/prado/Cayenne got bought with that insane project, only for it to be classed as a "prision" in the end...and that was just a stadium...thnik of all the contracts and corruption that will take place with the construction of the facility....Anil wants it cuz he already has the facilities company set up (not in his name...but it is set up...*it pays to drunken one of his executive assistanst in Riverwood...lol)) so that he has a money post Govt appointment.

Think about it....a half mile strip (1.4 mile track plus another 1/8 to 1/4 run-off track)...we measure it already (2007)...you talkin gabout lighting, civi works, ashplaht laying, Stands creation, actual Facilities buildings (Garages, Admins building, possiblby a 3 story structure with VIP lounges and Food canteens), mini tracks for drifting and karting and the view of a possible circuit track....

You have project management costs, IT support costs, civic works support costs, administrative costs, enviromental compliance costs...

BILLIONS...that construction will eclipse the 700million build for the POint Highway.

So yeah... Give Anil his way, sod turning ceremony will take place and money will start to flow to get "Party Contributors Pockets" fat again. It would be stupud NOT To construct it....as for the administration....Anil can sing that song of "allaince" till the construction is nearly over...IF he is still in power, then he looks like a Porn Star that can bul lfor hours....if his govt gets out of power...evn then..he still has that in his hat to tout....

We fail to see the bigger picture that is waaaaaaaaaaay out of many of our pay grade.

[link]

Mohammed Ali say he cant get an appointment to see Anil for more than a year now....Anil say he has a open door policy and anyone can come and see him.....he said Ali mussee dont have a cellphone, legs, car to come and see him.

Anil said that Ali claims that his (Anil) statement that TTASA was not unified was a lie then Ali said it was indeed true. He said Ali needs to get that one association that not unified together, hug up love up and then come and see him to move motorsport forward.....the ball in Ali's court.

Soooo.......
r u saying ONE ERRANT MOTOR SPORT BODY IS HOLDING ALL OF T&T MOTOR SPORTS TO RANSOM

[SR]

Mohammed Ali say he cant get an appointment to see Anil for more than a year now....Anil say he has a open door policy and anyone can come and see him.....he said Ali mussee dont have a cellphone, legs, car to come and see him.

Anil said that Ali claims that his (Anil) statement that TTASA was not unified was a lie then Ali said it was indeed true. He said Ali needs to get that one association that not unified together, hug up love up and then come and see him to move motorsport forward.....the ball in Ali's court.

Soooo.......
r u saying ONE ERRANT MOTOR SPORT BODY IS HOLDING ALL OF T&T MOTOR SPORTS TO RANSOM

yup


TTASA

[link]

yr earplugs in d wrong place........double check....& wait for uml to respond

[UML]

Mohammed Ali say he cant get an appointment to see Anil for more than a year now....Anil say he has a open door policy and anyone can come and see him.....he said Ali mussee dont have a cellphone, legs, car to come and see him.

Anil said that Ali claims that his (Anil) statement that TTASA was not unified was a lie then Ali said it was indeed true. He said Ali needs to get that one association that not unified together, hug up love up and then come and see him to move motorsport forward.....the ball in Ali's court.

Soooo.......
r u saying ONE ERRANT MOTOR SPORT BODY IS HOLDING ALL OF T&T MOTOR SPORTS TO RANSOM

i was just relating the news for those who missed the footage....but honestly from what has been said and from the two interviews in the 2 weeks i would think it is mr ali is the problem....because he clearly stated (sounding really arrogant during the interview) that he did not know what anil was talking about wrt lack of unity when interviewed after anil interview and then come back and say yes it is true


that arrogance alone speaks volumes


and now he saying he cant get an appointment to see anil for over a year when anil giving interviews left right and center on the issue...look at appointment the newsman getting....... AND now he cant manage the unhappy section or association...what good is a manager who cannot manage?

but then again i dont know much on this issue....cause i stopped going drags when it raised from $20 to $40 and the speaker boxes for the dj got less and i stood up in the sun...with nuttin to show for all the money i spent continuously there

and if i not going for $40 guess what i not going for $100 either

[X2]

It will be hard to push a $700Mm project thru Ministry of Sport. Especially without a realistic plan for revenue recovery of such a large investment. A drag track alone would be in excess of $60mm with today's RM prices. Even that much wasn't spent on swimming, netball, cycling and boxing combined (as far as I know).

For goverment to pay for anything significant...motorsport either needs to be a deeply entrenched sport with direct, visible revenue generation (foreign investment, tourism, technology investment, etc....) or it will need to be handled as a private business with payouts from the ministry for different levels of assistance, yet be self sustaining.


Just this past Friday, Anil was answering some queries regarding MoS expenditure as of Dec 2011. Somewhere in his philibuster must have mentioned monies going to autosport... *cough*wheeze*clears throat*... ahem... I mean... 'motorsport'. So what has been given this year (by the ministry) for events and prizegiving... for awards, trophies, travel for racing abroad ? Surely sheldon got a lil something to help him parade our flag while breaking records around the world ? Right ? Anil ?



Or not... lol

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The unity IMO is very important if the Gov't is going to fund or even help to fund a facility. If there are two factions in motorsport, the gov't serves the people, it cannot give money to only half the people.

[worksux101]

What gets me is simply this...90+% of the motorsport fraternity are against TTASA and their current management...why is it therefore that the ministry still acknowledges their presence and doesn't just go ahead with the other unified board around them?

[X2]

The unity IMO is very important if the Gov't is going to fund or even help to fund a facility. If there are two factions in motorsport, the gov't serves the people, it cannot give money to only half the people.

Duane, while I agree with the basic premise of the 'unity' being required... I have a concern as to how it will be handled. With an NSO in place, you need not only unity but direction. I am sure the government wants to ensure an equal chance at funding across the various disciplines so everyone will get a piece of the pie. Any rifts between the NSO and their 'affiliates' can encourage black listing of certain disciplines... hence the desire for unity. But is this the main or real problem ?

Other sports in the country do not always go thru one central organisation to appropriate funding. The MoS funds many different sporting events and activities under multiple disciplines such as sport clubs, family events, sporting days, contests, training. They pay for major and minor things... international trips, local events, uniforms, awards... even events that are mainly sponsored by private enterprise ! What is the difference between other 'real' sports and funding individual automotive events ? If solodex or karting needs a few dollars to buy some trophies... they should be able to apply to MoS in an attempt to solicit funds. Is the NSO even necessary in this case ? If they are, have they been offering this opportunity or demonstrating the avenue ?

I again wonder, what funding, if any, has been spent on motorsport in the past year ? (of course, if a 'yes' is answered, I would be inclined to ask to whom, for what, where and how much was disbursed... which is all public knowledge and our right to know).

[link]

The unity IMO is very important if the Gov't is going to fund or even help to fund a facility. If there are two factions in motorsport, the gov't serves the people, it cannot give money to only half the people.

Duane, while I agree with the basic premise of the 'unity' being required... I have a concern as to how it will be handled. With an NSO in place, you need not only unity but direction. I am sure the government wants to ensure an equal chance at funding across the various disciplines so everyone will get a piece of the pie. Any rifts between the NSO and their 'affiliates' can encourage black listing of certain disciplines... hence the desire for unity. But is this the main or real problem ?

Other sports in the country do not always go thru one central organisation to appropriate funding. The MoS funds many different sporting events and activities under multiple disciplines such as sport clubs, family events, sporting days, contests, training. They pay for major and minor things... international trips, local events, uniforms, awards... even events that are mainly sponsored by private enterprise ! What is the difference between other 'real' sports and funding individual automotive events ? If solodex or karting needs a few dollars to buy some trophies... they should be able to apply to MoS in an attempt to solicit funds. Is the NSO even necessary in this case ? If they are, have they been offering this opportunity or demonstrating the avenue ?

I again wonder, what funding, if any, has been spent on motorsport in the past year ? (of course, if a 'yes' is answered, I would be inclined to ask to whom, for what, where and how much was disbursed... which is all public knowledge and our right to know).

WHY ???
If you stand OUTSIDE the National Sport Policy umbrella, how can you ethically seek the same opportunities as those who embrace the collective 'way forward' ??
http://msya.gov.tt/home/images/stories/ ... policy.pdf
5.2 NATIONAL SPORTING ORGANIZATIONS
There shall be one (1) National Sporting Organization for each individual sporting
discipline. This Organization shall be recognized as the official body to administer the
sport, based on the financial, administrative and organizational criteria established by the
Ministry responsible for the development of Sport. National Sporting Organizations shall
be autonomous bodies in matters relating to the administration of their sport. They shall
have the sole right to select national teams to represent Trinidad and Tobago at
Tournaments and Championships conducted under the jurisdiction and the recommended
National Body of their respective International Federations.
.
I state categorically that TTASA has NOT RECEIVED ANY FUNDING FROM MSYA.
Like you, I am also curious about

to whom, for what, where and how much was disbursed...

[Razkal]

^who's TTASA's treasurer Link?

that question got beaten in this thread already and no response.

i'm pretty sure the mediocre events at Camden generate atleast $20-30K each time. where does it all go if TTASA has no public liability insurance? who handles the funds after it leaves the hands of good people? where is my FIA license that i paid for TWICE before the last night drag event at wallerfield? can i request a refund for the said licence that was never received?

i assume i'll need no proof of payments since ttasa keeps no record of collecting/spending.
i do however have my time slips.

[sMASH]

who does each NSO report to?
are the heads of each NSO at the same hierarchical level?
who does each NSO go to to find monies?
what system in in place to decide how much money goes to which NSO?
what system is in place to decide which NSO projects are green lighted or red lighted?
what systems are in place to track the flow of monies to makes sure that monies granted by the MoS equals the sum of that which is used by all NSO's?
what would be ttasa's main functions?
what offices would be devised by ttasa?


in other words, would u be able to provide a tentative organizational chart of ttasa as the NGB with the level of the NSO's?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ TTASA is THE motorsport NSO/NGB

From what I understand, according to the Ministry of Sport there can only be one NSO for each type of sport.
i.e. one NSO for football, one NSO for cricket, one NSO for motorsport.
Cricket is a single sporting discipline and so cannot have two NSO's such as one NSO for cork ball and another NSO for windball cricket, or another for test matches and another for ODIs etc - These are subcategories of the main type of sport and they all fall under "Cricket". Similarly Motorsport is a single sporting discipline with various subcategories such as Rally, Drag Racing, Circuit Racing, Karting, GP Motorcycle racing, Powerboat Racing etc - and so there can only be one motorsport NSO

recently the term NSO (national sporting organisation) has been changed to NGB (national governing body) when referring to TTASA.
I am not sure if it was the Ministry of Sport who made this change in reference. But for all intents and purposes, the NSO is the NGB. It means more or less the same thing.

TTASA is also the FIA ASN for T&T.
FIA is the governing body for motorsport in the world. Just like FIFA is the world governing body for Football. Each country in the world that has FIA affiliation has a representative group for motorsport - this group is referred to as the ASN of that country. TTASA has been the FIA ASN for T&T for decades now.

TTASA began as a small club called the the TASC in the 1960's and through motorsport promotion became the NSO for motorsport and the ASN in T&T. In its heyday, TTASA was very well supported from the government and the business community at large as it had huge regional and international circuit racing events at Wallerfield.

Through what some considered mis-management and bad decision making, TTASA lost Wallerfield in 2006 and a home for motor racing.

Elsewhere, up till 2011, TTRC was considered by the Ministry of Sport to be the NSO for Rally and TTKA was considered by the Ministry of Sport to be the NSO for Karting, however given the guidelines outlined above, TTASA urged the Ministry to change this in 2011 since there can only be one NSO for motorsport.

The Ministry of Sport usually does not liaise with individual comeptitors or individual sporting clubs directly, they must have all dealings through the relevant NSO/NGB that that club is affiliated to. There may be certain circumstances where this does not apply, however the former is the general method of operation for any sport.

Because of this, the Ministry of Sport needs all motorsport bodies under one NSO/NGB. The Ministry of Sport has since (around 2009 I think) stopped all funding of motorsport until there is unity.

Unfortunately the bigger more active clubs who have been having championship racing series for years such as TTRC, TTKA, CARS and ARA are not willing to join TTASA under the current terms that TTASA are suggesting. No one wants to budge and so we are not moving forward. All these associations continue having events regardless, without Ministry support.

Yes there has been little things such as Camden for TTASA, TDC and MSYA sponsorship for Rally Trinidad for TTRC, support for TTKA etc - but not in the hundreds of millions that is afforded other sports such as Swimming, Football and Cricket etc. In order to tap into that big level of support, there needs to be unity.

[pete]

Link, what it all comes down to is this.

What can TTRC and all the other non-affiliated groups gain by joining / affiliating themselves with TTASA?

TTASA has a LOT to gain by them joining and from where I am, it seems that ALL the other groups want is some change in structure of TTASA that would ensure equal representation for each branch of the sport.

Until then y'all can keep saying "allyuh have to join us or else" and they will keep putting on events and getting the job done. If TTASA would agree to subtle changes that would get the other groups to join then the whole sport can move forward.

Those other groups that have come together for the love of the sport don't want to see years and years of hard work disappear by people who aren't willing to negotiate a solution that will benefit everyone.