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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby SYKO » July 3rd, 2019, 6:18 am

Servicing isn't an issue as I have a friend in the service dpt so he will ensure everything is done above board and wount have to wait over a month for an appointment.
francis1979 wrote:
SYKO wrote:Fellas wanna get some input, was looking to purchase a kia niro but then saw the 1.6 sportage ss bringing. For the price it's not to bad, my issue is if the 1.6 might be a lil to small for the vehicle. And ss saying I can't test drive as all have already been sold.


Make sure and consider ease of servicing in your consideration when buying the vehicle.
Buying is the 1st step.
Getting it easily serviced is critical for you to enjoy the vehicle

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Postby SYKO » July 3rd, 2019, 6:19 am

A tiida so this will be a huge step up.
kamakazi wrote:
SYKO wrote:Fellas wanna get some input, was looking to purchase a kia niro but then saw the 1.6 sportage ss bringing. For the price it's not to bad, my issue is if the 1.6 might be a lil to small for the vehicle. And ss saying I can't test drive as all have already been sold.
What do you normally drive?

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Postby SYKO » July 3rd, 2019, 6:25 am

I know it's 2 different classes, went in with my mind made up on the niro but got sidetracked with the sportage. Now the space on offer with the sportage can't be ignored. Also I'll be giving up some stuff if I decide to go with the sportage as I was taking the fully loaded niro. Secondly the niro is supposed to give about 1000 kms with my driving, according to what I read with the sportage it should give about 800.
I guess after today I should have my mind completely made up. Will give feed back accordingly
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SYKO wrote:Fellas wanna get some input, was looking to purchase a kia niro but then saw the 1.6 sportage ss bringing. For the price it's not to bad, my issue is if the 1.6 might be a lil to small for the vehicle. And ss saying I can't test drive as all have already been sold.


Those are two very different vehicles.
You need to decide what you're really looking at in a car.
It'll be easier to get more accurate advice.
I'd always say Niro because I'm pro hybrid

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Postby agent007 » July 3rd, 2019, 10:32 am

SYKO, ask yourself, do you see yourself in a Kia Sportage 5 yrs from now? Are you prepared to keep this vehicle for longer or would you sell in a few short years where the resale value would take a huge hit? Are you really willing to commit to SS just to keep your warranty? If your answers to the questions are yes then cool. It’s your money, organize as you see fit.

My advice would be to stay far from such a crossover. A Kia Sportage is a lackluster product imo in all areas and what is catching people is that price. Consider stuff like the Toyota rush 1.5, Suzuki Vitara 1.6 and Subaru XV 1.6 awd. The Subaru is 225k, gives you 8.7” of ground clearance, awd and better resale value. You also mentioned Kia Niro, if you hell bent on Kia, forget that Niro. You would thank me later on.

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Postby randolphinshan » July 3rd, 2019, 10:38 am

SYKO wrote:Well actually heading back today as there is a licensed one in the showroom so will see if my rep will let me take a spin.
mtec wrote:Don't buy blindly, SS acting like that sportage is rare. It may be good value for money but if they bussing style on you for a test drive then you should take your money elsewhere.


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Postby kamakazi » July 3rd, 2019, 11:42 am

SYKO wrote:A tiida so this will be a huge step up.
kamakazi wrote:
SYKO wrote:Fellas wanna get some input, was looking to purchase a kia niro but then saw the 1.6 sportage ss bringing. For the price it's not to bad, my issue is if the 1.6 might be a lil to small for the vehicle. And ss saying I can't test drive as all have already been sold.
What do you normally drive?


Maybe...As much as people give Tiida a hard time and it has a particular reputation; It is pretty spacious and has good power. Then again I think it is more enjoyable to push a low powered car to its limit.

The vehicles appear to have similar power. I prefer ground clearance, visibility, less electronics (in my mind, less to go wrong and less dependence on parts coming in through SS if it needs something exotic). I also do like good gas mileage.

It might come down to a toss-up between the features you are trading off between the two vehicles.

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Saw a couple g20 3 series on the road.. and my word... it has wayyy more road presence than I expected. Looks much better in person.
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Postby MG Man » July 3rd, 2019, 3:06 pm

SYKO wrote: Secondly the niro is supposed to give about 1000 kms with my driving, according to what I read with the sportage it should give about 800.


1,000 on how many litres of fuel vs 800 on how many litres of fuel?
Absolute numbers are essentially meaningless
Unless you compare fuel tank capacities and mpg / l/100 km, that comparison really means nothing

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Postby PapaC » July 3rd, 2019, 10:46 pm

I was about to pull the trigger on an Ioniq when the price of the Sportage caught my eye.
I mean comparing the Niro and the Sportage based on price and size I could see what you wondering.
But it’s going to boil down to what kind of vehicle, it’s use for you, and those kinds of factors.
I am sure the first shipment is sold out already, hence why the price is already raising.

I kept the Ioniq because my plan was for gas consumption, taking the hybrid and it’s benefits and use.

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Postby jhonnieblue » July 3rd, 2019, 11:24 pm

I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.

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Postby kamakazi » July 3rd, 2019, 11:33 pm

jhonnieblue wrote:I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.
So funny question... How many powertrain parts are interchangeable between the brands.
Ioniq and Niro
Sportage/Cerato/Elantra

I'm in no way excusing SS but what parts do their vehicles usually call for. I would like to think that a similar component can be had from Hyundai

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Postby drchaos » July 4th, 2019, 2:15 pm

kamakazi wrote:
jhonnieblue wrote:I have both and my advice would be to stay as far away from southern sales as possible. Terrible service and issues getting parts for the Sportage. Massy is decent so far with the ioniq. But both cars drive great just fuel consumption is high for the Sportage.
So funny question... How many powertrain parts are interchangeable between the brands.
Ioniq and Niro
Sportage/Cerato/Elantra

I'm in no way excusing SS but what parts do their vehicles usually call for. I would like to think that a similar component can be had from Hyundai


The boxes for the parts from SS would say Hyundai from time to time.

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Postby rspann » July 4th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Powertrain, mechanical, suspension and electrical parts are interchangeable. I used Ioniq parts on Niro ,Tucson parts on Sportages and Cerato and Elantra are also interchangeable. Accent and Rio are basically the same. The parts have both Kia and Hyundai markings.

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Postby triniboi49 » July 9th, 2019, 9:16 am

What's the typical practice by the dealers in Trinidad regarding the provision of a courtesy/loaner if your vehicle is in the dealership for an extended period for a warranty issue?

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Postby j.o.e » July 9th, 2019, 11:05 am

triniboi49 wrote:What's the typical practice by the dealers in Trinidad regarding the provision of a courtesy/loaner if your vehicle is in the dealership for an extended period for a warranty issue?


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Postby lancer_man » July 9th, 2019, 8:45 pm

Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.

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Postby agent007 » July 10th, 2019, 7:58 am

20 months and 22,000kms later, no such oil dilution issue detected.

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Postby SLVR1 » July 10th, 2019, 10:29 am

My 2018 now reaching its 8th month has no such issue. Here, we use 5w30 full syn vs. the 0w20 used in North America. This article may shed some light: https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/honda ... on-problem
Based on past experience with the local dealership, recalls are done.

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 10th, 2019, 2:54 pm

Anybody hear anything problematic with the new Chevy Cruz?

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Postby MaxPower » July 10th, 2019, 5:47 pm

lancer_man wrote:Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.


Have the 2018 CRV,

Not an issue so far.

And I have a small fleet of 2017 Civics (base) for my staff, they seem to love it, obviously because its a perk but no issues reported from the dealership.

But if ur willing to spend the $ on the CRV, I would also consider the RAV4.

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Postby drchaos » July 11th, 2019, 12:34 am

lancer_man wrote:Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.


You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.

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Postby agent007 » July 11th, 2019, 12:56 am

^^^makes sense but the local Honda technicians receive occasional training and updates from Honda not so? We are trusting that they know best on the vehicles they sell. As long as the vehicle is under warranty, any issues would be their problem. I suppose, if an owner furnishes them with a blackstone report proving dilution, then watch bacchanal in this place.

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Postby agent007 » July 11th, 2019, 1:04 am

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:Anybody hear anything problematic with the new Chevy Cruz?

I was curious months ago and asked my tech friend in there if these gen2 cruzes had any problems and he says none whatsoever. Same applies to the trax and equinox. Apparently these newer GM engines and transmissions are built better now so they can take a little more jamming (I don’t believe it cause all are Opel made). Give owners more time again to rack up some more miles and follow up. I won’t go back there until I see one doing 100k Kms with original tranny still in place.

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Postby SLVR1 » July 11th, 2019, 8:35 am

drchaos wrote:
lancer_man wrote:Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.


You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.


Yes, an oil dilution test will be the ultimate proof but to some extent I do not agree with some things said here since there are tell tale signs as per the link which is what will make you suspect sumtingwong : http://www.hondaproblems.com/oil-dilution/
Also, according to my CRV manual 0w20 was formulated for fuel economy and the use of a viscosity listed is quite safe. So 5w30 is quite fine. Fuel econ is a big deal in North America. Saying it is less than ideal...maybe but Honda the manufacturer says 5w30 is also ideal and not the local dealership. I do agree with flow characteristics though and yes, more friction is never good but IMO 5w30 is fine. My question is; where can I get an oil dilution test done locally that is internationally certified? Maybe is it something worth doing as owners of new 1.5T engines?
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Postby Rory Phoulorie » July 11th, 2019, 12:58 pm

SLVR1 wrote:My question is; where can I get an oil dilution test done locally that is internationally certified? Maybe is it something worth doing as owners of new 1.5T engines?

Try the chemistry lab at CARIRI in UWI. You may have to provide them with the referenced international test method (ASTM, API, BS, ISO, etc.) for the test so that they could confirm whether they are able to do the test.

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Postby agent007 » July 11th, 2019, 2:23 pm

blackstone labs is a world-wide service. I emailed them already.
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/?sessio ... 3%29%29%2F

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Postby SLVR1 » July 11th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Thanks Rory & agent007. I see blackstone has even a letter for the postal service.

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Postby kamakazi » July 11th, 2019, 9:05 pm

drchaos wrote:
lancer_man wrote:Has anyone with the 2017-2019 CR-V or Civic with the 1.5T engine seen issues with oil dilution locally?

I’m considering the CR-V, but not if the resale value will drop due to engine problems.

Sales rep says no reported issues, but I’m a bit hesitant to take their word for it.


You won't know if you have an issue unless you actually send your oil in for an oil analysis. Otherwise people claiming they have the vehicle for X months and they don't have a problem should be taken with a grain of salt.
The other issue is these engines are very new on the market and the problems associated with oil dilution shows up years later not a few months into ownership. Honda says they fixed the problem by using software fix which affects valve and fuel timings and warming up the engine faster

Now onto one more thing ... The manual of the Civic says to use 0w-20 but 5w30/10w30 can be used (which means less Ideal). The engine was designed for 0w20 and this is even for our car which is for the Thai/Malay/Aussie market. The engine was designed for low friction operation and the 0w20 does a better job than heavier oils. Higher friction means more wear and tear. In addition flow characteristics of higher weighted oil are slower which means less lubrication on startup.

I have been using 0w20 Valvoline or Castrol designed for GDI turbo engines. These oils have actually shown to have better protection from carbon build up which will be an issues with these engines (as in all GDI turbo engines). So no I dont trust the dealer on this and their use of 5w30 oil.


Does it specifically say to use 0w20 or does it give a list of viscosities based on temp like the picture in the previous post by SLVR1

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Postby bigmerv » July 12th, 2019, 4:35 pm

agent007 wrote:SYKO, ask yourself, do you see yourself in a Kia Sportage 5 yrs from now? Are you prepared to keep this vehicle for longer or would you sell in a few short years where the resale value would take a huge hit? Are you really willing to commit to SS just to keep your warranty? If your answers to the questions are yes then cool. It’s your money, organize as you see fit.

My advice would be to stay far from such a crossover. A Kia Sportage is a lackluster product imo in all areas and what is catching people is that price. Consider stuff like the Toyota rush 1.5, Suzuki Vitara 1.6 and Subaru XV 1.6 awd. The Subaru is 225k, gives you 8.7” of ground clearance, awd and better resale value. You also mentioned Kia Niro, if you hell bent on Kia, forget that Niro. You would thank me later on.


Between the XV, Vezel, Rush which do you find best. Which would be easier to maintain and parts availability.

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