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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby mitch1980 » April 25th, 2019, 12:07 pm

moti wrote:
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every 30,000 km change all other fluid - transmission, diff-oil



But my owners manual says 80,000 kms for transmission oil.


hmm will have to check

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby bess almera » May 1st, 2019, 12:29 pm

New Rav 4 looks kinda kinda good. Needs getting used to. Probably when it's cleaned up it'll look more appealing

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Postby kamakazi » May 1st, 2019, 5:22 pm

Anyone else find the rear of the eclipse cross looks like a Pontiac Aztec

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 3rd, 2019, 11:42 pm

A little yes.

In some new vehicle news, I heard the new RAV4 should be advertised soon and the all new Ford Escape aka Kuga will eventually make it to TT and from what I saw online, it appears Ford is going to take the market by storm.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby drchaos » May 4th, 2019, 11:15 pm

agent007 wrote:A little yes.

In some new vehicle news, I heard the new RAV4 should be advertised soon and the all new Ford Escape aka Kuga will eventually make it to TT and from what I saw online, it appears Ford is going to take the market by storm.


I dunno ... People tend to take less risks in a recession in terms of perceived car reliability. They would have to price the Kuga along the lines of the what hyundai is doing the with the tucson or even cheaper.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby mitsutt » May 5th, 2019, 7:39 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
kamakazi wrote:Thanks for the responses.
I was wondering about total cost of ownership of some vehicles as some might think that are saving by purchasing a relatively cheaper vehicle up front, but when parts need replacing (out of warranty) you can end up with very similar costs overall.

Colleague had a Hyundai that required a harmonic damper (crank pulley), wheel hub assembly (abs speed sensor) and other miscellaneous parts which are pretty pricey and not something I think requires changing often but... It needed changing.

My Civic (ek) was purchased at 169000kms and required a whole array of parts... But most were service items.
(Non service items were; idle air control valve, door lock actuator)

Hilux from New and now at 89000kms, only normal service (oil and filters).

Again think you for your responses


This could be a real issue people don't think about.
My current vehicle is a Hyundai Tucson and in 3.6 years I have had to -
1. Repair Thermostop for A/C - warranty
2. Change door actuator - warranty
3. Change A/C Evaporator - not warranty
4. There is a lingering issue with the steering that Massy can't seem to diagnose and I assume I will have to pay to get it checked on the outside
5. Changed battery twice - once on warranty and once after it ended

For a vehicle under 50k Kms and less than 4 years old I shudder to think what happens in a few more years. My brother bought a Qashqai same time I bought my Tucson and he had to change nothing or repair anything other than routine maintenance. Despite having a 2.0l engine as well the Qashqai servicing in Massy was a few hundred less than the Tucson right next door.



What’s the steering issue you are having?

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Dizzy28 » May 6th, 2019, 10:27 am

mitsutt wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
kamakazi wrote:Thanks for the responses.
I was wondering about total cost of ownership of some vehicles as some might think that are saving by purchasing a relatively cheaper vehicle up front, but when parts need replacing (out of warranty) you can end up with very similar costs overall.

Colleague had a Hyundai that required a harmonic damper (crank pulley), wheel hub assembly (abs speed sensor) and other miscellaneous parts which are pretty pricey and not something I think requires changing often but... It needed changing.

My Civic (ek) was purchased at 169000kms and required a whole array of parts... But most were service items.
(Non service items were; idle air control valve, door lock actuator)

Hilux from New and now at 89000kms, only normal service (oil and filters).

Again think you for your responses


This could be a real issue people don't think about.
My current vehicle is a Hyundai Tucson and in 3.6 years I have had to -
1. Repair Thermostop for A/C - warranty
2. Change door actuator - warranty
3. Change A/C Evaporator - not warranty
4. There is a lingering issue with the steering that Massy can't seem to diagnose and I assume I will have to pay to get it checked on the outside
5. Changed battery twice - once on warranty and once after it ended

For a vehicle under 50k Kms and less than 4 years old I shudder to think what happens in a few more years. My brother bought a Qashqai same time I bought my Tucson and he had to change nothing or repair anything other than routine maintenance. Despite having a 2.0l engine as well the Qashqai servicing in Massy was a few hundred less than the Tucson right next door.



What’s the steering issue you are having?


When turning the steering wheel either left or right I hear a slight noise and feel a very very light feedback feeling as if there was resistance on the steering. It is a constant on turning the steering wheel.

Massy say nothing wrong but on turning the steering one should not hear a noise.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby mitsutt » May 6th, 2019, 9:03 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
mitsutt wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
kamakazi wrote:Thanks for the responses.
I was wondering about total cost of ownership of some vehicles as some might think that are saving by purchasing a relatively cheaper vehicle up front, but when parts need replacing (out of warranty) you can end up with very similar costs overall.

Colleague had a Hyundai that required a harmonic damper (crank pulley), wheel hub assembly (abs speed sensor) and other miscellaneous parts which are pretty pricey and not something I think requires changing often but... It needed changing.

My Civic (ek) was purchased at 169000kms and required a whole array of parts... But most were service items.
(Non service items were; idle air control valve, door lock actuator)

Hilux from New and now at 89000kms, only normal service (oil and filters).

Again think you for your responses


This could be a real issue people don't think about.
My current vehicle is a Hyundai Tucson and in 3.6 years I have had to -
1. Repair Thermostop for A/C - warranty
2. Change door actuator - warranty
3. Change A/C Evaporator - not warranty
4. There is a lingering issue with the steering that Massy can't seem to diagnose and I assume I will have to pay to get it checked on the outside
5. Changed battery twice - once on warranty and once after it ended

For a vehicle under 50k Kms and less than 4 years old I shudder to think what happens in a few more years. My brother bought a Qashqai same time I bought my Tucson and he had to change nothing or repair anything other than routine maintenance. Despite having a 2.0l engine as well the Qashqai servicing in Massy was a few hundred less than the Tucson right next door.



What’s the steering issue you are having?


When turning the steering wheel either left or right I hear a slight noise and feel a very very light feedback feeling as if there was resistance on the steering. It is a constant on turning the steering wheel.

Massy say nothing wrong but on turning the steering one should not hear a noise.


I have this same problem.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Dizzy28 » May 7th, 2019, 2:40 pm

^ WWGD??

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby jcrew » May 10th, 2019, 3:58 pm

New Rav 4 is here

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » May 10th, 2019, 4:19 pm

jcrew wrote:New Rav 4 is here


So exciting.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby boxy » May 11th, 2019, 2:09 pm

Pics?

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby mitsutt » May 11th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:^ WWGD??

What’s that ?

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 12th, 2019, 10:27 pm

Here are some pics that I got from FB (posted by a TTTL sales person) :
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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby carluva » May 12th, 2019, 10:49 pm

400k for a RAV4. I mean, I like Toyota, own the 2014 RAV4, but gosh, that price is just exorbitant.

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Postby drchaos » May 12th, 2019, 11:40 pm

When you think about it if we complaining about the RAV4 price then we should be sheiting ourselves about the CRV price ...
Them RAV 4 is a 2 L and still competitive in pricing with the CRV with a 1.5L???

Check all em blank buttons on the right side of the driver on the high spec model.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 13th, 2019, 12:06 am

Agreed drchaos.

Prices snapshot for the highest spec trims locally on some (non premium) crossovers/SUVs:

Land Cruiser Prado 2.8 - 1 million+ 4wd
Fortuner 2.8 - 824k 4wd
Pathfinder 3.5 - 750k awd, sunroof
Santa Fe 2.2td - 600k awd, sunroof
Sorento 2.2td - 497k awd, sunroof
Tiguan 2.0t - 490k awd sunroof
Forester 2.0 - 439k awd and 459k awd + eyesight, sunroof
X-trail 2.0 - 419k awd and 454k awd 7-seater, sunroof
RAV4 2.0 - 419k sunroof
CRV 1.5t - 410k awd, sunroof
XV 2.0 - 369k awd and 384k awd + eyesight, sunroof
Kuga 1.5t - 345k awd
Tucson 1.6t - 339k awd, sunroof
Sportage 2.0 - 336k sunroof
Qashqai 2.0 - 329k awd (fixed glass roof, not a true sliding sunroof)
CX5 2.0 - 315k
Equinox 1.5t - 310k sunroof
Eclipse Cross 1.5t - 310k sunroof
HRV 1.8 - 289k
Vitara 1.6 - 253k awd, sunroof
Rush 1.5 - 249k
Creta 1.6 - 232k
SX4 S-Cross 1.6 - 230k
Niro 1.6 - 225k sunroof
Trax 1.4t - 220k sunroof
Juke 1.6 - 219k
EcoSport 1.0t - 215k
Jimny 1.5 - 200k 4wd
i20 Activ 1.2 - 183k
x25 1.5 - 165k sunroof

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Dizzy28 » May 13th, 2019, 9:24 am

Is there a lower priced option than the $345k one?
I remember reading an article just Friday or Saturday where TTTL's VP said they anticipate slow sales overall due to the economy and no government tenders etc and they gonna be focusing on lower priced models.

But then go and bring a $345k SUV??

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Postby PariaMan » May 13th, 2019, 9:27 am

I feel the try to keep the RAV 4 as a "premium vehicle " by bringing down the highest price model with a very high markup

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Postby PapaC » May 13th, 2019, 11:15 am

That would push people to buy the Rush more if they really want the Toyota brand. Still gonna get sales i guess

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » May 13th, 2019, 11:34 am

The 1.5 litre engine in the rush is a high performance high hp version?

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Postby PariaMan » May 13th, 2019, 11:38 am

Rav 4 starts at 25000 us in the states really do not see how they justify that 400000tt price even with our high taxes

But guess what the first shipment probaly sold out

Trinis are a crazy bunch of people

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Postby agent007 » May 13th, 2019, 11:49 am

It doesn’t matter what the competition may have to offer but for some people, there is nothing like a Toyota. They couldn’t care less about turbo engines or torque converter automatic transmissions etc. as long as it has the Toyota badge, it’s like a security blanket for reliability and resale value.

Fortunately, the 2019 Rav4 gave us a bump in HP and Torque for the 2.0 engine class. Previously, the 3ZR-FE had peak outputs of 143hp @ 6200rpm and 187Nm @ 3600rpm of torque routed to a CVT transmission. The new M20A-FKS motor has 170hp @ 6600rpm and 203Nm @ 4400-4900rpm of torque also mounted to a CVT. It means the new engine is a rev happier unit and I observed it has functional dual exhaust outlets at the back which means, some of that extra output is due to better engine breathing.

The A25A-FKS “Dynamic Force” 2.5L version may never come to T&T because of the ridiculous taxes but I understand it can be special ordered. So for those with deep pockets, they can get 204hp @ 6600rpm and 243Nm @ 4000-5000rpm of torque routed through an 8-speed torque converter auto. This 2.5 will have an AWD option.

Previously, TTTL did import a few 2.5s (2AR-FE) which boasted 177hp and 233Nm of torque routed through a 6-speed torque converter auto.

As you all can see, Toyota was a bit generous in giving us extra power with the new 2.0 and 2.5 engines and they did not require a turbo to do so!

Here is a short snapshot of the competitors HP ratings:
CRV 1.5t 188hp
Tucson 1.6t 175hp
Equinox 1.5t 170hp
CX5 2.0 154 to 162hp
Sportage 2.0 155hp
Forester 2.0 154hp
Eclipse Cross 1.5t 148hp

Well done Toyota!

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 13th, 2019, 11:58 am

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:The 1.5 litre engine in the rush is a high performance high hp version?


Some people were falsely saying that the Rush 1.5 had a longitudinally mounted version of the 1NZ-FE motor but the truth is, the Rush uses a completely different 2NR-VE unit putting out 103hp and 136Nm torque. It’s sounds lethargic but I would encourage anyone to test drive the Rush and trust me, those 103 horses are well fed ones.

Narend from Zorce did a write up recently, see link below:
http://www.zorce.com/2014Z3/index.php/d ... w-7-seater

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Postby PariaMan » May 13th, 2019, 12:39 pm

Rush looks like more bang for your buck

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Postby agent007 » May 13th, 2019, 1:02 pm

2 words guys....think global :)
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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby PariaMan » May 13th, 2019, 1:11 pm

People should also think about our tax structure, you could basically be buying a tax

I am certain if the tax we pay was the same all over the world those ranking of sales would be radically different

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Joshie23 » May 14th, 2019, 1:23 pm

agent007 wrote:It doesn’t matter what the competition may have to offer but for some people, there is nothing like a Toyota. They couldn’t care less about turbo engines or torque converter automatic transmissions etc. as long as it has the Toyota badge, it’s like a security blanket for reliability and resale value.

Fortunately, the 2019 Rav4 gave us a bump in HP and Torque for the 2.0 engine class. Previously, the 3ZR-FE had peak outputs of 143hp @ 6200rpm and 187Nm @ 3600rpm of torque routed to a CVT transmission. The new M20A-FKS motor has 170hp @ 6600rpm and 203Nm @ 4400-4900rpm of torque also mounted to a CVT. It means the new engine is a rev happier unit and I observed it has functional dual exhaust outlets at the back which means, some of that extra output is due to better engine breathing.

The A25A-FKS “Dynamic Force” 2.5L version may never come to T&T because of the ridiculous taxes but I understand it can be special ordered. So for those with deep pockets, they can get 204hp @ 6600rpm and 243Nm @ 4000-5000rpm of torque routed through an 8-speed torque converter auto. This 2.5 will have an AWD option.

Previously, TTTL did import a few 2.5s (2AR-FE) which boasted 177hp and 233Nm of torque routed through a 6-speed torque converter auto.

As you all can see, Toyota was a bit generous in giving us extra power with the new 2.0 and 2.5 engines and they did not require a turbo to do so!

Here is a short snapshot of the competitors HP ratings:
CRV 1.5t 188hp
Tucson 1.6t 175hp
Equinox 1.5t 170hp
CX5 2.0 154 to 162hp
Sportage 2.0 155hp
Forester 2.0 154hp
Eclipse Cross 1.5t 148hp

Well done Toyota!


I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but if it isn't, how exactly is a higher displacement, N/A engine 'superior' to a smaller displacement, turbocharged engine when both are making the same and in some F/I cases, more HP (comparing the N/A M20A-FKS engine to the F/I ones in the vehicles you listed)? Isn't that one benefit of a turbocharged engine; the ability to give a smaller engine comparable amounts of power to a larger, N/A one?

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 14th, 2019, 1:40 pm

You're a bit overzealous there Joshie! No mention of Toyota NA superiority or arguments for and against FI vs NA. The point was quite simple and is one that was noted because it deserved mention. Toyota did well to offer us a NA engine that can produce 170hp without the use of a turbo. Actually, IIRC, this is the 2nd most powerful 2.0 NA motor to ever be imported into this country in a vehicle from the authorized dealership and the most powerful 2.0 ever to be imported by TTTL.

You're right though, its equally as impressive to have small displacement engines putting out the power of larger displacement engines with better torque curve characteristics and I am sure most of us here would much rather FI vs NA but as of late, I am beginning to lean more on NA due to long term reliability, longevity and ease of maintenance.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » May 14th, 2019, 1:47 pm

I’m still trying to figure out how 103 hp is enough for a 7 seater. People probably should test drive it with a few occupants.

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