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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 29th, 2020, 7:29 pm

The Korean cousins...
Last known price of the Sonata 2.0 was $319k and the Optima 2.0 was $303k. Only time will tell if we will get the replacement models with the 1.6T and thus lowering those prices due to less import taxes.
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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby drchaos » May 30th, 2020, 12:28 pm

Massy won't lower the price ...

Tucson changed from 2.0 NA to 1.6 Turbo and had nil reduction in price.

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Postby kamakazi » May 30th, 2020, 4:39 pm

Won't the cost price (cost per unit from Hyundai) of the vehicle be higher, which negates any savings to be had from duties/import taxes based on a reduction in displacement.
agent007 wrote:The Korean cousins...
Last known price of the Sonata 2.0 was $319k and the Optima 2.0 was $303k. Only time will tell if we will get the replacement models with the 1.6T and thus lowering those prices due to less import taxes.
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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 30th, 2020, 6:21 pm

Yup you are right, there are some increases per unit especially in the introduction of an all new replacement model, however, the question is, is it sufficient enough to offset the decrease in MVT, Duty and VAT as a result of less cc?

But this is easy to calculate. If the price goes up by say $1,000. USD per unit then that is $7,000. TTD added to the showroom price. However the tax savings on a 1.6L vs a 2.0L would be more than a grand USD.

From a MVT only angle,
Hyundai Gamma 1591cc = $7,955.00 (@ $5. per cc)
Hyundai Nu 1999cc = $37,481.25 (@ $18.75 per cc)

And that's just MVT. The variance is also noticeable with Duty and VAT. All things being equal, a Sonata/Optima 1.6T should in theory be cheaper than the outgoing 2.0 models.

Of course I stand to be corrected.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Pirate » May 30th, 2020, 7:39 pm

agent007 wrote:Yup you are right, there are some increases per unit especially in the introduction of an all new replacement model, however, the question is, is it sufficient enough to offset the decrease in MVT, Duty and VAT as a result of less cc?

But this is easy to calculate. If the price goes up by say $1,000. USD per unit then that is $7,000. TTD added to the showroom price. However the tax savings on a 1.6L vs a 2.0L would be more than a grand USD.

From a MVT only angle,
Hyundai Gamma 1591cc = $7,955.00 (@ $5. per cc)
Hyundai Nu 1999cc = $37,481.25 (@ $18.75 per cc)

And that's just MVT. The variance is also noticeable with Duty and VAT. All things being equal, a Sonata/Optima 1.6T should in theory be cheaper than the outgoing 2.0 models.

Of course I stand to be corrected.


On that note, can anyone say what are the duties for these engine size segments? Last i heard it was 25% between 35%, but I think these were increased.

1599cc and under
1600cc to 1799cc
1800cc to 1999cc
2000cc to 2399cc

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » May 30th, 2020, 8:21 pm

This was pulled from right here in trinituner, you can do a comparison.
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Postby Pirate » May 30th, 2020, 8:30 pm

That's some big increases...
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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby drchaos » June 1st, 2020, 10:50 pm

Dealers not reducing prices from my sources on the inside ... They gonna see how this month plays out before they consider clearance sales.

So Fellars/Gals let them go hungry for one more month and then them prices likely to fall fast cause its simple maths ... They running out of space to store vehicles and their operating costs have not reduced.

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby drchaos » June 1st, 2020, 11:56 pm

kamakazi wrote:Won't the cost price (cost per unit from Hyundai) of the vehicle be higher, which negates any savings to be had from duties/import taxes based on a reduction in displacement.
agent007 wrote:The Korean cousins...
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Postby triniboi49 » June 2nd, 2020, 11:55 am

Notice a number of used cars an Massy site:

http://marketing.massymotors.com/preowned#

Covid returns?

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 3rd, 2020, 9:15 am

Facelift (New) Hyundai Santa Fe. Retaining same powertrains as before but will also add Hybrid and Plug In Hybrid 1.6T engine just like its sibling the new Sorento. Would be interesting to see if Massy brings in the Hybrid versions and the price they would call for it. Same for Southern Sales and those hybrid Sorentos.

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Postby sweeks » June 3rd, 2020, 12:18 pm

Shalom Vanamson wrote:Facelift (New) Hyundai Santa Fe. Retaining same powertrains as before but will also add Hybrid and Plug In Hybrid 1.6T engine just like its sibling the new Sorento. Would be interesting to see if Massy brings in the Hybrid versions and the price they would call for it. Same for Southern Sales and those hybrid Sorentos.


Great observation ... but left to be seen.
And more so, if we do get them, note the price difference mainly because there should be no MVT and VAT.

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Postby agent007 » June 3rd, 2020, 5:48 pm

I think the general consensus on prices based on feedback ITT, is that with every new iteration of a model, there is a general price increase, even it if the cc goes down.

A $600k Korean product is something I cannot fathom but we're already there. If I'm going that high, it must have a Lexus RX300 badge at the back. Good luck guys on your Santa Fe and Sorento speculations.

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Postby supercharged turbo » June 3rd, 2020, 9:55 pm

Thats alot of vehicles
triniboi49 wrote:Notice a number of used cars an Massy site:

http://marketing.massymotors.com/preowned#

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Postby rebound » June 4th, 2020, 12:33 pm

Looks like lease and rental returns

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Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 4th, 2020, 2:02 pm

I guess its face lift week. The 2.8 engine sees a healthy bump in power 201 hp and 500Nm torque now. The torque is available a little lower in the rpm now as well. Improvements to the suspension was also made. Same goes for the Fortuner.

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Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 4th, 2020, 2:10 pm

agent007 wrote:I think the general consensus on prices based on feedback ITT, is that with every new iteration of a model, there is a general price increase, even it if the cc goes down.

A $600k Korean product is something I cannot fathom but we're already there. If I'm going that high, it must have a Lexus RX300 badge at the back. Good luck guys on your Santa Fe and Sorento speculations.


I would have to agree with you on that 600k for Hyundai/ Kia vehicle especially SUV is over doing it has no right to be in those price ranges. The very concept of those brands was to give great features and amenities for an affordable price in order to be very competitive against other similar brands. If Massy and SS brings the hybrids in those SUVs and price them similarly to the non hybrid versions it would further consolidate what persons have been saying in this forum concerning STEALERSHIPS. *dealerships my bad :roll:

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Postby agent007 » June 4th, 2020, 2:55 pm

It appears they are stealerships for both used and new vehicles. Look at this Sonata below, this was used internally at Massy as a corporate car for an executive. Back in February, it was listed for $170k. 4 months later, post covid (and even this term is questionable), the price went up to $175k as per list (#177). Resale gone up by $5k lol
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Postby Dizzy28 » June 4th, 2020, 3:45 pm

agent007 wrote:It appears they are stealerships for both used and new vehicles. Look at this Sonata below, this was used internally at Massy as a corporate car for an executive. Back in February, it was listed for $170k. 4 months later, post covid (and even this term is questionable), the price went up to $175k as per list (#177). Resale gone up by $5k lol20200207_112540.jpeg


Lol......appreciation in value oui!!

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Postby supercharged turbo » June 5th, 2020, 12:28 am

On ah Korean vehicle of all things lol
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agent007 wrote:It appears they are stealerships for both used and new vehicles. Look at this Sonata below, this was used internally at Massy as a corporate car for an executive. Back in February, it was listed for $170k. 4 months later, post covid (and even this term is questionable), the price went up to $175k as per list (#177). Resale gone up by $5k lol20200207_112540.jpeg


Lol......appreciation in value oui!!

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Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 5th, 2020, 4:27 pm

agent007 wrote:It appears they are stealerships for both used and new vehicles. Look at this Sonata below, this was used internally at Massy as a corporate car for an executive. Back in February, it was listed for $170k. 4 months later, post covid (and even this term is questionable), the price went up to $175k as per list (#177). Resale gone up by $5k lol20200207_112540.jpeg


What? :lol: . Man thanks for that information really made me laugh. I guess these koreans are more valuable than we may think :lol:

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agent007 wrote:I think the general consensus on prices based on feedback ITT, is that with every new iteration of a model, there is a general price increase, even it if the cc goes down.

A $600k Korean product is something I cannot fathom but we're already there. If I'm going that high, it must have a Lexus RX300 badge at the back. Good luck guys on your Santa Fe and Sorento speculations.


At 600k for suv... I was putting the difference and trying the Fortuner. Idk if I'd ever consider owning a Korean vehicle. Drove quite a few of my company's vehicles but to say own one...eh eh

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Postby agent007 » June 6th, 2020, 10:53 am

Bro and about that Fortuner, you've got to add another $224k to that $600k to get one and wait for it because it's not readily available in stock anymore for obvious reasons.

I remember back in 2005 when they first came to T&T, a Fortuner was $375k. 15yrs later, the price increased by $449k. That's an increase of $29,933. a year.

For reference, a Prado back in 2003 was $450k. Today the fully loaded Prado VX-L is $1,070k. In 17 years, the price jumped up by $620k which works out to be $36,471. a year.

A fully loaded CRV in 2003 was $255k. Today that line successor is $410k an increase of $155k in 17 years. This works out to be an increase of $9,118. per year, which is not bad compared to the above.

A fully loaded Mazda 3 in 2004 was $155k. Today, 16 years later its $238k. A jump of $83k or $5,187.50 per year.

The lowest I have right now has to be the Nissan Sentra Super Saloon B14 with sunroof which was $128k back in 1998. Today, a Sentra with leather seats is $197k, a jump of $69k or $3,137. per year. Amazing!

I know its different classes of vehicles but just something to put into perspective.

I would never buy a diesel SUV in T&T, not with that garbage fuel in my tank and engine, sorry. Instead, I might quicker head to HSM in Chase Village and get myself either a white or black Prado TX-L 2.7 petrol which is $860-870k.

That might be the better bet over a $824k diesel Fortuner.
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Postby Dizzy28 » June 6th, 2020, 10:59 am

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... dab6f.html

The article mentions the large number of returns to the used lot from their rental business.
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I posted this right here back in November 2011.

agent007 wrote:This new post might cause a heart-attack, anyway here goes:
I went back in the archives and I pulled the below..

1994 Price:

Audi 80 - $235,000. Vat inclusive

1995 Prices:

Honda civic 1.5 manual - $135,895.30 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 manual sunroof - $139,895. Vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 auto - $139,895. Vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.5 auto sunroof - $144,895.20 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto 3-door - $154,000.90 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto - $176,032.60 vat inclusive
Honda civic 1.6 auto sunroof - $180,763.70 vat inclusive
Honda accord 2.0 - $219,001.39 vat inclusive
Honda prelude 2.2 - $299,001.05 vat inclusive
Toyota corolla gli 1.6 - $135,099.07 vat inclusive
Hyundai elantra 1.6 - $107,707. Plus vat
Hyundai scoupe 1.5 - $101,232. Plus vat
Hyundai scoupe 1.5 turbo - $104,066. Plus vat
Hyundai excel 1.5 ls - $75,017. Plus vat
Hyundai excel 1.5 gls - $87,436. Plus vat

2000 Prices:

Opel astra 1.6 - $120,000. Plus vat
Opel vectra 1.6 - $148,000. Plus vat
Opel omega 2.2 - $265,000. Plus vat
Hyundai accent 1.3 gl - $57,443. Plus vat
Hyundai accent 1.5 gls - $75,443. Plus vat
Hyundai sonata 2.0 - $142,670. Plus vat
Hyundai Coupe 2.0 - $146,897. Plus vat
Hyundai elantra 1.6 wagon - $88,468. Plus vat
Hyundai elantra 1.6 sedan - $82,468. Plus vat
Hyundai h100 truck - $74,165. Plus vat
Hyundai h100 van - $91,426. Plus vat
Skoda Felicia h/b - $54,750. Plus vat
Skoda combi wagon - $59,999. Plus vat
Skoda Octavia 1.6 sedan - $126,500. Vat inclusive
Skoda Octavia 1.6 wagon - $116,000. Plus vat
Rover 216si 3-door - $74,618.48 plus vat
Rover 216si 5-door - $78,326.09 plus vat
Rover 200vi 3-door - $99,565.22 plus vat
Ford mondeo ghia wagon 2.5 - $186,000. Plus vat
Mercedes benz 140 panel van - $115,073. Vat inclusive
Mercedes benz c180 - $210,000. Plus vat
Mercedes benz E200 - $290,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 auto - $111,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 h/b - $109,000. Plus vat
Peugeot 306 1.6 wagon – $113,000. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.3 manual - $68,929. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.3 auto - $79,779. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.6 manual - $80,779. Plus vat
Suzuki baleno 1.6 wagon - $97,479. Plus vat
Renault scenic 1.6 - $141,591. Plus vat
Subaru legacy 2.0 - $198,228. Plus vat
Subaru legacy 2.0 wagon - $205,185. Plus vat
Subaru impreza 2.0 turbo - $215,652. Plus vat
Subaru forester 2.0 turbo - $256,522. Plus vat
Bmw 520i - $277,324. Plus vat
Bmw 318i - $199,372. Plus vat
Nissan almera 1.3 sg - $89,682. Plus vat
Seat cordoba 1.6 - $103,870. Plus vat
Seat Toledo 1.6 - $108,298. Plus vat
Seat Toledo 1.8 - $140,298. Plus vat
Peugeot 406 2.0 - $182,000. Plus vat

2001 Prices:

Hyundai elantra 1.6 gls - $110,000. Vat inclusive
Ford Focus 1.6 sedan - $113,850. Vat inclusive
Mercedes benz e240 - $365,700. Vat inclusive
Jeep grand Cherokee limited 4.7 v8 - $657,962.25 vat inclusive

2002 Price:

Mazda 6 2.0 - $205,000. Vat inclusive

2003 Prices:

Nissan almera 1.3sg - $92,505. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sg - $106,000. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl - $130,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl sunroof - $136,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan almera 1.6sgl sunroof, rear spoiler - $141,005. Vat inclusive

2004 Prices:

Nissan cefiro 2.0 - $230,076. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 2.0 leather - $245,141. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 2.3 - $300,005. Vat inclusive
Nissan cefiro 3.5 - $420,505. Vat inclusive

2005 Prices:

Hyundai sonata 2.0 gls - $254,500. Vat inclusive
Hyundai sonata 2.4 gls - $291,000. Vat inclusive

2006 Prices:

Jeep grand Cherokee limited 3.0 turbo diesel - $304,120. Plus vat
Mazda 3 1.6 sunroof - $155,000. Vat inclusive

2007 Prices:

Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual 4x2 d/c gl - $140,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual 4x2 d/c glx - $152,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c gl - $194,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c glx - $205,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 manual d/c gls - $245,105. Vat inclusive
Mitsubishi l200 sportero 2.5 auto d/c gls - $267,105. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 s/c 2.5 - $129,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 std - $139,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 xl - $149,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x2 d/c 2.5 auto - $195,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 std - $149,000.01 vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 xl - $155,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 xlt - $189,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 2.5 auto - $215,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 3.0 auto - $229,000. Vat inclusive
Ford ranger 4x4 d/c 3.0 manual - $210,000. Vat inclusive
Hyundai h100 2.5 manual - $108,500. Vat inclusive

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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby agent007 » June 6th, 2020, 11:24 am

I saw David O'Brien with his white Volvo XC90 T6 driving above the posted speed limit for the QPS just days ago. I wonder if he as well as Mr Warner are affected? I wonder who these 10 executives are? For now, I'll use the word, 'alleged'.
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The article mentions the large number of returns to the used lot from their rental business.
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Postby Gladiator » June 6th, 2020, 10:44 pm

agent007 wrote:Bro and about that Fortuner, you've got to add another $224k to that $600k to get one and wait for it because it's not readily available in stock anymore for obvious reasons.

I remember back in 2005 when they first came to T&T, a Fortuner was $375k. 15yrs later, the price increased by $449k. That's an increase of $29,933. a year.

For reference, a Prado back in 2003 was $450k. Today the fully loaded Prado VX-L is $1,070k. In 17 years, the price jumped up by $620k which works out to be $36,471. a year.

A fully loaded CRV in 2003 was $255k. Today that line successor is $410k an increase of $155k in 17 years. This works out to be an increase of $9,118. per year, which is not bad compared to the above.

A fully loaded Mazda 3 in 2004 was $155k. Today, 16 years later its $238k. A jump of $83k or $5,187.50 per year.

The lowest I have right now has to be the Nissan Sentra Super Saloon B14 with sunroof which was $128k back in 1998. Today, a Sentra with leather seats is $197k, a jump of $69k or $3,137. per year. Amazing!

I know its different classes of vehicles but just something to put into perspective.

I would never buy a diesel SUV in T&T, not with that garbage fuel in my tank and engine, sorry. Instead, I might quicker head to HSM in Chase Village and get myself either a white or black Prado TX-L 2.7 petrol which is $860-870k.

That might be the better bet over a $824k diesel Fortuner.


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Re: T&T OFFICIAL New Vehicle Prices & Discussion Thread

Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 7th, 2020, 12:10 pm

agent007 wrote:Bro and about that Fortuner, you've got to add another $224k to that $600k to get one and wait for it because it's not readily available in stock anymore for obvious reasons.

I remember back in 2005 when they first came to T&T, a Fortuner was $375k. 15yrs later, the price increased by $449k. That's an increase of $29,933. a year.

For reference, a Prado back in 2003 was $450k. Today the fully loaded Prado VX-L is $1,070k. In 17 years, the price jumped up by $620k which works out to be $36,471. a year.

A fully loaded CRV in 2003 was $255k. Today that line successor is $410k an increase of $155k in 17 years. This works out to be an increase of $9,118. per year, which is not bad compared to the above.

A fully loaded Mazda 3 in 2004 was $155k. Today, 16 years later its $238k. A jump of $83k or $5,187.50 per year.

The lowest I have right now has to be the Nissan Sentra Super Saloon B14 with sunroof which was $128k back in 1998. Today, a Sentra with leather seats is $197k, a jump of $69k or $3,137. per year. Amazing!

I know its different classes of vehicles but just something to put into perspective.

I would never buy a diesel SUV in T&T, not with that garbage fuel in my tank and engine, sorry. Instead, I might quicker head to HSM in Chase Village and get myself either a white or black Prado TX-L 2.7 petrol which is $860-870k.

That might be the better bet over a $824k diesel Fortuner.


Some valuable information here. Shows the utterly ridiculous increases in vehicle prices over the years. Wonder what justifies that the bigger engines, the increase in cost prices with every new model or according to those Stealerships *dealerships the "Way more" features compared to previous gen :roll: . I cant see myself buying a diesel vehicle in this country unless its one of those pickups other. The only thing with that gas powered Prado is thr lack of oomf compared to the diesel version.

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Postby agent007 » June 7th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Lol 13.9s to 100kmph is slow I agree. But saving $200k plus engine headache to reach 100kmph in a traffic light drag slower by 2.2s is worth it, especially with the demerit points system in effect. Besides, those Toyota 2TR-FE's are known for legendary reliability. A 1KD-FTV is a good diesel engine to begin with but when batting against a proven also built by Toyota engine, then hard luck for 1KD.

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Postby Shalom Vanamson » June 7th, 2020, 1:40 pm

Went on HSM a while ago and saw a lovely specced Prado for only 850k. Like you said considering great reliability of the gas engine paired with no worries of fuel quality are good trades. Although what about the local Prado's feature list. Can it compare to examples from places like HSM etc in that regard.

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