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MG Man wrote:actually, the solution to not destroying the sensors is to ensure cars line up dead straight with the finish box
The only time the sensors are at risk is when cars enter the finish box off a corner or approach at an angle, then stomp on the brakes..........the resulting shift in weight and traction increases the risk of a spin
so.............either straight trajectory into the finish box, or a dead slow chicane before the box to slow cars down, and voila, sensors don't get pranged
Reyos wrote:At the meeting we discussed all the items that were suggested on the thread and emails.
From the feed back that we asked for, only a few people requested changes to the rules. These were discussed at the meeting.
Also, some new ideas were generated and discussed.
I will post some brief notes on the discussions a little later today so that everyone will be kept in the loop.
I just want to point out that we really wanted to get more input from club members.
Curtis did a great job in highlighting what he saw as changes that can improve the organization and for this I want to say thanks.
Reyos wrote:Well the first question is...is there a difference in suspension of the cooper and cooper s? (not familiar with that car)
If the answer is yes, you would be swapping your normal cooper suspension for the cooper s.... then you have upgraded your suspension. (in other words your car did not come with it and you added it after)
According to the rules if you declare it you will be penalized for it. If you don't declare it and someone lodges a protest and it is found that you have upgraded your suspension and total points put you in a higher class...then you will be penalized according to the rules.
question...the cooper S and the cooper has the same HP and weight?
Reyos wrote:Well the first question is...is there a difference in suspension of the cooper and cooper s? (not familiar with that car)
If the answer is yes, you would be swapping your normal cooper suspension for the cooper s.... then you have upgraded your suspension. (in other words your car did not come with it and you added it after)
According to the rules if you declare it you will be penalized for it. If you don't declare it and someone lodges a protest and it is found that you have upgraded your suspension and total points put you in a higher class...then you will be penalized according to the rules.
question...the cooper S and the cooper has the same HP and weight?
Reyos wrote:Kevin my apologies...my last question was me just being curious....i'm not familiar with the cooper or the cooper s.
I am referencing Table 2 on page 7 of the 2010 rules.
My assumption: Cooper S spring is stiffer and lowers the car (please correct me if i am wrong)
If you are using the same shock as before (hydraulic or gas) and using the Cooper S spring then you would have 1 penalty point.
Chris I did not say he could not do it. It is a competitor's choice to do any modification to his or her car. We cannot tell anyone what they can and can't do to their cars...its their personal vehicle.
The question asked was relevant to penalty points associated with the swapping of suspension parts from another similar car (sport version i believe). AFAIK Devi declared his springs as being the swift sport springs. He openly declared it when he changed and put on new OEM shocks and the sport springs. His swift is similar to Pete's and it is a legal ES car based on the weight to power ratio. On race tyres according to the rules he was bumped to ESP. Not sure if he has any anti roll or sway bars. If he did then his combined points will be 3 ..still legal in class.
Lets say someone whose base class is ES and he has tyres over the width of 225 and coilovers
Thats a total of 4 points. If this person adds an OEM LSD to his/her car and does not declare it then someone lodges a formal protest that person can be penalized for it because he will have a total of 6 points...which puts him in ESP with 2 points.
Guys feel free to ask questions and comment or make suggestions....I sure i don't have the answer to all but we can try and clear the grey areas that appear.
chris1388 wrote:Reyos wrote:Kevin my apologies...my last question was me just being curious....i'm not familiar with the cooper or the cooper s.
I am referencing Table 2 on page 7 of the 2010 rules.
My assumption: Cooper S spring is stiffer and lowers the car (please correct me if i am wrong)
If you are using the same shock as before (hydraulic or gas) and using the Cooper S spring then you would have 1 penalty point.
Chris I did not say he could not do it. It is a competitor's choice to do any modification to his or her car. We cannot tell anyone what they can and can't do to their cars...its their personal vehicle.
The question asked was relevant to penalty points associated with the swapping of suspension parts from another similar car (sport version i believe). AFAIK Devi declared his springs as being the swift sport springs. He openly declared it when he changed and put on new OEM shocks and the sport springs. His swift is similar to Pete's and it is a legal ES car based on the weight to power ratio. On race tyres according to the rules he was bumped to ESP. Not sure if he has any anti roll or sway bars. If he did then his combined points will be 3 ..still legal in class.
Lets say someone whose base class is ES and he has tyres over the width of 225 and coilovers
Thats a total of 4 points. If this person adds an OEM LSD to his/her car and does not declare it then someone lodges a formal protest that person can be penalized for it because he will have a total of 6 points...which puts him in ESP with 2 points.
Guys feel free to ask questions and comment or make suggestions....I sure i don't have the answer to all but we can try and clear the grey areas that appear.
The springs were declared as tein aftermarket springs and added a penalty....but the shocks are OEM...but NOT for that car. they were swift sport shocks which did NOT come with the stock swift and as such is an upgrade as u stated and should attract points imo, thats why if kevin were to put cooper s shocks on his cooper then he should be given no penalty just as devi was given none for the swift sport shocks.
Reyos wrote:ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED
(1)Change amount of events required for championship from 4 to 5.
Having 5 competitive events would mean that drivers that already leading in their class would have to take part in more events rather than stop after 4. This however would put a strain on some drivers financially or disrupt vacation plans.
More discussions to be held.
i would prefer it remain at 4 events
(11)Championship qualification
In order to have more drivers in line for championship, it was suggested that we reduce the amount of competitions needed to qualify from 4 to 3. This would allow for a driver to be able to chase championship standings even though he/she only took part in 3 events.
i disagree..... three events are too little to determine a class winner and not enough time for someone to adjust there car to be more competitive
(13)Class bump points
It was suggested we should adjust the points system for class bumps. After the first class bump increase the number of points needed for the next class bump by 5 points. This was discussed and it was the opinion of all the members present that a driver should know how to mod his car to stay in the class.
why stay in a class after a year? we should in-courage drivers to move up.
the second class bump should be 6 points. and third at 8
use my car as an example.... if i add a lsd to be more competitive in EP class i will go to open where i dont stand a chance.
(16)BAGO DEX
Andre suggested we continue the Tobago event but get the Tobago House of Assembly involved in it. He said it would be a good idea to let them know that Paradise motorsports will cover it and it will be broadcasted in 21 different countries. Try to arrange things so that competitors can come in and leave on the same day. Make an accommodation for Tobago competitors in Trinidad by starting earlier so they could leave to go back in the evening. It was also suggested that we make bago dex part of the 2011 championship series since a few Tobago competitors will be taking part in the series.
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