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chris1388 wrote:
All that being said....Pete came up with a nice idea but I don't think the rules should be changed for something like that. I think those questioning the rules should take up the offer I outlined before trying to crunch numbers and come up with a "length correction factor".
adriano7910 wrote:i dont believe that a car should be penalized for the way it is built to be honest.
what i think could be a benefit is that as cars go up in class, the penalty points are raised from 4 points. and for the shorter cars (within a certain wheel base and lenght) with the added advantage their penalty points remain the same giving the longer cars a basis to even the odds.
María wrote:adriano7910 wrote:i dont believe that a car should be penalized for the way it is built to be honest.
what i think could be a benefit is that as cars go up in class, the penalty points are raised from 4 points. and for the shorter cars (within a certain wheel base and lenght) with the added advantage their penalty points remain the same giving the longer cars a basis to even the odds.
you are assuming that the longer cars are being modified. what if the car remains stock? then the increase in penalty points is of no value.
you are also basically saying that the shorter cars have an advantage now hence their penalty remaining the same not so?
JDM_GUY wrote:I think its all on the driver to reach clost to the top car and then the car will have to do the rest. Just look at the top drivers and watch what they drive like devi and he was doing 94 sec on the day. Any my car has only 10 more horses than his.
Anyway to more pressing matters, this 6run, 2lap thing has to stop. I cant afford tires, I might have to take out a second mortgage to fund Autocross if something isnt done. HELP!
María wrote:chris1388 wrote:
All that being said....Pete came up with a nice idea but I don't think the rules should be changed for something like that. I think those questioning the rules should take up the offer I outlined before trying to crunch numbers and come up with a "length correction factor".
what do you mean "something like that"? aren't we discussing the classification of cars? why shouldn't the rules be changed for that?
you say the above. without giving a simple yes or no below. Are you this discipline's iteratation of TTASA's link)? (in all too many known ways)chris1388 wrote:So what you are saying is that if either #1 you cant afford to modify the car or #2 choose not to modify the car to stay competitive yet within the rules, then the rules should be changed to facilitate the longer car because of this? That makes no sense if you ask me.
You have the option to modify your car within limits.....if you cant then you cant....that is the nature of racing
wagonrunner wrote:so to clarify, you agree with the following?two vehicles with the same P/W ratio and a difference in length of 2 feet plus could be expected to handle the same in a dexterity race.
Razkal wrote:really and truly, i think p/w ratio as a means of classing is the most unbiased way to simply get the job done. i have no problem being classed with Moses and Chris, who are both faster than I am..the thing is, i acknowledge that a monumental increase in my ability is required to really see what the car is capable off..right now my w/p ratio that put me in my current class has some wiggle room. i can still lose a good few pounds or gain a few horses and still remain in class. i already have coilover penalty points..although it's only fronts i have. i use used tires always.
MG Man wrote:All I'm saying is where do we draw the line?
wagonrunner wrote:Asking SCCA about p/w in 2007
chris1388 wrote:Akash all I did was point out to maria and karl that the main difference for the large gaps in times from the leaders in each class is because of driver and less car. They are claiming that maybe the cars are not being classed fairly to which I disagree. Like you I totally agree with the power to weight method and I even like adrians idea. Nowhere have I personally attacked any of them so I don't beliebe I owe anybody an apology.
I also pointed out to maria that because she or any other person may not choose to modify their car or can't afford to do it does not mean the rules should be changed. I am open to sharing my knowledge with anyone at solodex to try to help them improve so I have no clue why I am being made out to be this bad person.
wagonrunner wrote:Razkal wrote:really and truly, i think p/w ratio as a means of classing is the most unbiased way to simply get the job done. i have no problem being classed with Moses and Chris, who are both faster than I am..the thing is, i acknowledge that a monumental increase in my ability is required to really see what the car is capable off..right now my w/p ratio that put me in my current class has some wiggle room. i can still lose a good few pounds or gain a few horses and still remain in class. i already have coilover penalty points..although it's only fronts i have. i use used tires always.
umm, for the record the current rules system puts your RX-7 in EPR.
However, your car was reclassed after watching it's BYCC times to where it was thought it would be competitive.
Razkal wrote:wagonrunner wrote:Razkal wrote:really and truly, i think p/w ratio as a means of classing is the most unbiased way to simply get the job done. i have no problem being classed with Moses and Chris, who are both faster than I am..the thing is, i acknowledge that a monumental increase in my ability is required to really see what the car is capable off..right now my w/p ratio that put me in my current class has some wiggle room. i can still lose a good few pounds or gain a few horses and still remain in class. i already have coilover penalty points..although it's only fronts i have. i use used tires always.
umm, for the record the current rules system puts your RX-7 in EPR.
However, your car was reclassed after watching it's BYCC times to where it was thought it would be competitive.
i seriously urge you to locate my first two registration forms of the 2013 Autocross season and see that i did register for EPR, not as a rookie, for the first bycc and autocross 1. the executive does what they see fit. i just show up and race without giving much of a sheit wrt which class i run.
just observation eh, but if i was reclassed with no consultation, why can't the other 'problematic' drivers/competitors be subject to the same?
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