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Young man, I never claimed to be a specialist in SWAT. My comments were made based on my own ignorant point of view (and google ). My personal interaction with police officers is limited to those with whom I have had dealings with in court and those whom I taught over the years.rollingstock wrote:Look at the google intellects aka 'computerman' A fitting name, reading about tactics on the net makes you a specialist.
I appreciate the compliment. Being ignorant means I still have the ability to increase the capacity of my limited intellect. Unlike those who 'know it all'.rollingstock wrote:You all really are an ignorant bunch. I need my sleep to be able to function again tomorrow for another 30hr+ work day.
Yes, drinks were on sale for a while before the police came.pete wrote:Was the bar open and selling drinks before it was shut down?
rollingstock wrote:AutoSport wrote:Breds if you go and read over your last post you will see, where YOU are now agreeing with most of the critical comments being made against your own team- slowly coming down off your high horse.
You must be reading something else.
Just look at what you are now saying..."persons hate the police, rightfully in most cases"
But yuh very wrong in saying no bar licence shut down the event. But that is the standard show of force.
And pray tell what did? I'm not into motorsport for the politics so that doesn't concern me, i'm just going by what was reported. If you have information to the contrary and keep it to yourself, how can i be blamed for my stance?
Anyway, moving forward, the TTRC will continue to receive the fullest support of all Genuine Motorsport lovers within the Motorsport Community!
Are you insinuating that i am not a 'genuine' motor sport lover? I was never critical of the TTRC, i just defended the officers on the facts reported.
It is apparent that there is no winning fighting a losing conversation with a clique with ulterior political motives wrt motorsport.
So in closing i agree fcuk the police.
rcadiz wrote:Ok, well as i can see the rumour mill has started and although i welcome all the opinions and feedback from everyone let's get a few things cleared up.
Firstly the TTRC will be making a full statement when we can get all the facts. i have just spent the last 3 hours in Marabella Police Station and we have still not gotten the full story. Let's go with what we know. The Police shut the event down due to an issue with the strength and bar license. From what we have been told there were a few courses of action that could have taken place:
- Shut the bar down and let the event continue - under normal circumstances
- Shut the event down if the safety of the event is compromised and there is an obvious lack of resources in which to deal with problems that may arise - also under normal circumstances.
- Ask no questions, walk in shut down walk out - slightly harsh course of action given the nature of the event (i.e sporting event, not a concert with bad language from the artiste and violent patrons)
We have been hosting events with an almost perfect safety record for a number of years and today there were very few safety concerns - further to that the racing hadn't even started as yet to even allow for a safety concern to become apparent. On the note of the public toilet, you may have seen that our sponsored toilets - 15 scattered around the venue were all light brown and from JQ and the one being referred to was in fact a UDECOTT rented Toilet which was locked and not part of our setup and behind a concrete culvert (just to clarify). It was also in an area requiring the complete slow down of the car due to the tight turn (after the pic of course)
I have to make an assumption here and assume that you played some part in the preparation of this event. You as the holder of the event are charged with the responsibility of ensuring your patrons are safe within the confines of the venue. It should be noted that the port a potty was used consistently for the duration of the event. It was not locked. Should it be true that the port a potty was installed by the UDECOTT then the event holder should have taken reasonable steps to relocate or secure said facility so that patrons would be prevented from using same. Additionally if the promoter determined for whatever reasons that it was inappropriate to move the property of the UDECOTT the layout of the track should have reflected this by being within reasonable distance from the port o potty as it would have been within your control to effect such a change. Due to the nature of this event and the way merit is awarded for fastest times it is highly unacceptable to assume that a vehicle would engage a corner "at a complete slow down" please bear in mind that this "slow down is highly relative and dependent on the car and driver. A car can fail at 10, 20,120 kmph A general risk assessment would have identified such allowing you the opportunity for mitigation strategies. Vehicles are predominantly mechanical in nature and as such are prone to failure especially after a grueling couple days of numerous terrain, mechanical failure does not choose a time dear friend. This was observed as other cars had numerous failures.
It was rather noble and supportive of the UDECOTT to lend this venue to the TTRC for the execution of this event, to know that the organizers are using the corporations name loosely with blatant disregard by throwing the blame on an organization that is trying to recover from an already tarnished history. Your statements are rather unfortunate and may bring the Corporation into disrepute. In the event that happens you can say bye bye to any motor sport event being held there in the future and also left a bitter taste on the members of this govt for bringing them under scrutiny once more. This could also entail no support from the govt for the future of Motor sports in Trinidad & Tobago especially since the Ministry of Sport contributed and endorsed same. This danger and risk involved in this event was no different than that of illegal drag racing. This is the unprofessional behavior that has had government to government go by with no support for motor sport. Get the act together and show some professionalism and then you have a case
No fights, no violence, a crowd made up of mostly families and friends liming on the outskirts does not suggest a risk of crowd or drunk partygoers who need to be dealt with. With respect to the bar license, we have never had an issue like this in the years of Rally Trinidad and i would like to assure all who are wondering that it was not an oversight nor forgetting. In fact the bar license was applied for both Friday and Sunday night at the same time. Rather there was a misunderstanding which we are looking into. The fact is that the Police were well within their right to allow the event to continue, but shut the whole event down without so much as options being considered.
6 jeeps of riot gear heavily armed Police were sent in to deal with a 20x20 tented bar (staff of 5) in a crowd of mostly people simply wanting to enjoy the afternoon of racing. They arrived and jumped out of the vehicles loading weapons like if it was a bank heist. If you don't think that is excessive then it's entirely your opinion but i think most would agree.
On the door charge. I think all would agree that the TTRC has began to offer more to our patrons with the event infrastructure and logistics (i.e. National Stadium on Friday night) and we simply charge a small fee to help offset the cost. Anyone who has experience with events would know the cost of stage, lighting, sound, fencing, signage etc etc. Furthermore a $100 per carload (roughly $20 per head) is in no way a 'big money ting' as some would say. How many $20-$40 events by comparison do issue receipts? Refunding was not possible today but that does not mean that we do not intend to make it up somehow.
What we can say however is that we will be getting to the bottom of what can be described as an excessive decision by the TTPS, and looking ahead we will be planning an event with the same level of logistics with no door charge and do our best to make amends to the spectators that came out and supported us in somewhat vain.
There will be critics but i think they are limited. We have a great sport and an even greater spectator base who i think will understand that we were powerless to change the course of events today but can only promise to make it up.
On the stages today being cancelled. We were met with 3 large loads of garbage in 'Jack and Jill while setting up this morning (probably dumped last night) and ran late trying to get equipment to move it. We needed to get the cars to Tarouba and the only decision that we had was to cancel the stages. If we put any of you in the same situation i am sure the result would be the same. Disappointing yes but an unavoidable logistical issue.
To close we would like everyone to be reassured that we will bounce back from this and we will make it up to everyone. We can only ask for your understanding.
Dude, talk about coming out of Left Field and not only missing the ball.... but the POINT!! Sheesh!!sizzla89 wrote:I have to make an assumption here and assume that you played some part in the preparation of this event. You as the holder of the event are charged with the responsibility of ensuring your patrons are safe within the confines of the venue. It should be noted that the port a potty was used consistently for the duration of the event. It was not locked. Should it be true that the port a potty was installed by the UDECOTT then the event holder should have taken reasonable steps to relocate or secure said facility so that patrons would be prevented from using same. Additionally if the promoter determined for whatever reasons that it was inappropriate to move the property of the UDECOTT the layout of the track should have reflected this by being within reasonable distance from the port o potty as it would have been within your control to effect such a change. Due to the nature of this event and the way merit is awarded for fastest times it is highly unacceptable to assume that a vehicle would engage a corner "at a complete slow down" please bear in mind that this "slow down is highly relative and dependent on the car and driver. A car can fail at 10, 20,120 kmph A general risk assessment would have identified such allowing you the opportunity for mitigation strategies. Vehicles are predominantly mechanical in nature and as such are prone to failure especially after a grueling couple days of numerous terrain, mechanical failure does not choose a time dear friend. This was observed as other cars had numerous failures.
It was rather noble and supportive of the UDECOTT to lend this venue to the TTRC for the execution of this event, to know that the organizers are using the corporations name loosely with blatant disregard by throwing the blame on an organization that is trying to recover from an already tarnished history. Your statements are rather unfortunate and may bring the Corporation into disrepute. In the event that happens you can say bye bye to any motor sport event being held there in the future and also left a bitter taste on the members of this govt for bringing them under scrutiny once more. This could also entail no support from the govt for the future of Motor sports in Trinidad & Tobago
FTL wrote:Dude, talk about coming out of Left Field and not only missing the ball.... but the POINT!! Sheesh!!sizzla89 wrote:I have to make an assumption here and assume that you played some part in the preparation of this event. You as the holder of the event are charged with the responsibility of ensuring your patrons are safe within the confines of the venue. It should be noted that the port a potty was used consistently for the duration of the event. It was not locked. Should it be true that the port a potty was installed by the UDECOTT then the event holder should have taken reasonable steps to relocate or secure said facility so that patrons would be prevented from using same. Additionally if the promoter determined for whatever reasons that it was inappropriate to move the property of the UDECOTT the layout of the track should have reflected this by being within reasonable distance from the port o potty as it would have been within your control to effect such a change. Due to the nature of this event and the way merit is awarded for fastest times it is highly unacceptable to assume that a vehicle would engage a corner "at a complete slow down" please bear in mind that this "slow down is highly relative and dependent on the car and driver. A car can fail at 10, 20,120 kmph A general risk assessment would have identified such allowing you the opportunity for mitigation strategies. Vehicles are predominantly mechanical in nature and as such are prone to failure especially after a grueling couple days of numerous terrain, mechanical failure does not choose a time dear friend. This was observed as other cars had numerous failures.
It was rather noble and supportive of the UDECOTT to lend this venue to the TTRC for the execution of this event, to know that the organizers are using the corporations name loosely with blatant disregard by throwing the blame on an organization that is trying to recover from an already tarnished history. Your statements are rather unfortunate and may bring the Corporation into disrepute. In the event that happens you can say bye bye to any motor sport event being held there in the future and also left a bitter taste on the members of this govt for bringing them under scrutiny once more. This could also entail no support from the govt for the future of Motor sports in Trinidad & Tobago
FTL wrote:Dude, talk about coming out of Left Field and not only missing the ball.... but the POINT!! Sheesh!!sizzla89 wrote:I have to make an assumption here and assume that you played some part in the preparation of this event. You as the holder of the event are charged with the responsibility of ensuring your patrons are safe within the confines of the venue. It should be noted that the port a potty was used consistently for the duration of the event. It was not locked. Should it be true that the port a potty was installed by the UDECOTT then the event holder should have taken reasonable steps to relocate or secure said facility so that patrons would be prevented from using same. Additionally if the promoter determined for whatever reasons that it was inappropriate to move the property of the UDECOTT the layout of the track should have reflected this by being within reasonable distance from the port o potty as it would have been within your control to effect such a change. Due to the nature of this event and the way merit is awarded for fastest times it is highly unacceptable to assume that a vehicle would engage a corner "at a complete slow down" please bear in mind that this "slow down is highly relative and dependent on the car and driver. A car can fail at 10, 20,120 kmph A general risk assessment would have identified such allowing you the opportunity for mitigation strategies. Vehicles are predominantly mechanical in nature and as such are prone to failure especially after a grueling couple days of numerous terrain, mechanical failure does not choose a time dear friend. This was observed as other cars had numerous failures.
It was rather noble and supportive of the UDECOTT to lend this venue to the TTRC for the execution of this event, to know that the organizers are using the corporations name loosely with blatant disregard by throwing the blame on an organization that is trying to recover from an already tarnished history. Your statements are rather unfortunate and may bring the Corporation into disrepute. In the event that happens you can say bye bye to any motor sport event being held there in the future and also left a bitter taste on the members of this govt for bringing them under scrutiny once more. This could also entail no support from the govt for the future of Motor sports in Trinidad & Tobago
Didn't see the need to update after his edit.trini mk5 wrote:No wonder you name FTL
MG Man wrote:the real question to TTRC remains:
Can I drive my car as Car 00 in the stadium next year, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
GTman357 wrote:So out of all de tings that the TTRC do good this weekend and in past years, allyuh make noise for a toilet dat they already explain was not their setup. Den when they explain that it was not part of de event setup, allyuh say doh call UDECOTT name in vain.
BUHWAHDEMUDDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO throwin blame, the man simply offer an explanation on what the toilet was doin there and that it was not their idea. they never blame UDECOTT. sizzla89 you take all dat time to explain the potty issue and already talkin about losing a facility over a comment.
look where you gone boss. you speeding more than the rally cars yes.
and since when you is ah expert in how to setup a course. TTRC has done events in the national stadium and saith park for years with no incidents so give them some credit nah. they are the only ones doin events at that level and instead of saying things in a constructive way all allyuh doin is coming down hard. no different than de damn police. yes we agree with the toilet coulda be in a different spot but you really have to get on so.
H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
Rallyfignis wrote:H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
I think the TTRC is still trying to figure it all out man...
As for trini mk5 and sizzla89 - STFU about this stupid toilet non-issue, have you ever been to a rally in your lives?
Rallyfignis wrote:H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
I think the TTRC is still trying to figure it all out man...
H.S.E GuY wrote:I'm following this part of the thread and there are two issues here one being highlighted very openly and the other being sent to a backburner and hasn't been dealth with to my mind.
The first is the manner in which officers went about in the conduct of there duties, well that is still being sorted out as the facts are still being gathered. Hopefully a proper statement would be provided?
The second is the issue of refunding to patrons and this has not been commented on as yet properly. Those would remember that on Friday night a stub was given at the gate, what is the difference or what happen to Sunday and yes it is the same event being put on.
Robert, I think it's a bit unfair to say that "its a no big money ting" it seems by that you are implying that we should be" cool about everything and let's move on". Whilst there are costs to host the event for some people it does matter and it also brings to mind the issue of accountability.
The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
cacasplat3 wrote:they know exactly what happened, and they are to blame,Rallyfignis wrote:H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
I think the TTRC is still trying to figure it all out man...
paparazzi wrote:Rallyfignis wrote:H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
I think the TTRC is still trying to figure it all out man...
As for trini mk5 and sizzla89 - STFU about this stupid toilet non-issue, have you ever been to a rally in your lives?
Toilet near race course + the sound of a WRC racing towards toilet = man doing their business REAL fass = model of efficiency.
Rallyfignis wrote:H.S.E GuY wrote:The TTRC has done a great job last weekend by hosting the event and you all have really evolved over the years, keep it up, but come clean on the on the issues that transpired on Sunday for you all done want to be classed along the lines of another motorsport organisation.
I think the TTRC is still trying to figure it all out man...
As for trini mk5 and sizzla89 - STFU about this stupid toilet non-issue, have you ever been to a rally in your lives?
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