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VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby Monk BANzai » March 13th, 2008, 12:20 am

ok...so you want to make yuh VRG a "sports up" VR4.....i didnt do the conversion as i purchased an original VR4...but.....if you are doing or planning on doing the conversion, please note the folowing:

Gas tank. Make sure you get a VR4 gas tank as part of the deal. the VRG gas tank is not designed to allow for the driveshaft to pass thru to the rear diff.

Rear Suspension. Make sure you dont just get the shock setup, but the entire rear suspension...it'll cost you more, but if you dont, you'll end up paying a pound and a crown in machine work to get the rear setup properly.

Harness. Make sure they DO NOT cut the harness from behind the firewall. Depending on what kind of front cut you got, it will have AYC which would mean swapping out the intrument panel. The electricals for the panels are different for the VR4.

If you are really lucky to get a Manual front cut, Please take EVEYTHING. The manual conversion from Tiptronic is a lil technical and if you missing any part of the gear box linkage, you in for a ride.

I would suggest using the sub frame from the VR4 fonrt cut as (you will discover) the engine mounting points differ. instead of having new engine mounts built, just have the machinst drop out the VRG sub frame and isntall the VR4.

The Transfer case. Inspect it for any leaks. Trust me. Is better to just get a bearing replaced from SKF than having to hunt for a VR4 transfer case...they aint cheap. (5-7K for one). Same applies to the rear diff. You must know if its leaking uz when the oil heats up you will smell it, as wel las seeing drops on the garage floor.

TPS Switches (yes PLURAL)....be sure of what you bought. There are two types of VR4 6a13TTs. the Type V's and the Type S's. The manuals tho come with one TPS switch as opposed to the Tiptronic which has two. Be wary. Some ppl swap gearboxes for trannys and dont swap the intake manifold which is also different.

Check yor starter and alternator. Vr4's are notorious for these items failing on you. And suddenly as well.

Upgrade brakes. More than likely the front cut will come with the 5 hole hubs. Invest and get the rear brakes as well. the Stock VRG brakes will not help you.

Hydraulic lifters and engine rebuild kit. Check Prentice for the lifters. They're not that expensive. Invest in the gasket kit primarlily for the rear engine seal. THat seems to go early in the game. While you at it, Get new belts. Do not depend on what the engine came with.

You might find this ludicrous, but get a spare engine, gearbox/tranny and transfer case. VR4 parts are becoming popuar yes, but most dealer wont sell indiviual pieces. You have to buy fornt cuts to get what you want. Bite the bullet and do that. Reason being that the engine is fun and very torquey and its alot of fun when yu now convert. But bear in mind that the turbos are not big so they run out of puff on top. Which brings me to another point.

Boost levels. Dont push the boost levels beyond 18lbs. It dont m,ake sense cuz its only hot air you pushing at that point. Better you look for a pr of TD05 and swap out. Ther are other trick you can do to get the power, but then that would mean that you coming to beat me...and we cant have that now can we?....lol....

Nitrous. IF you want to use Prune juice, be very carefull of wher you drill on th manifold to insert the foggers. the engine is a V, so the cylinder further s from the fogger gets less treatment, and over time?....detonation (a la end of first engine....)

The VRG is lighter than the VR4 cuz the Cr4 was built to handle the extra power. That said, expect the VRG to do weird things...like the front suspension ends suddenly needs changing, or the the trunk/rear quarter starts to rattle. this is due to torsion stress of th new engine.

the above points may seem like alot, but its an investment that is high maintainence. Last but not least: the VR4 was not and will never be an EVO or a STi. Dont try to run the car as tho it is. I made modifications to my drive train to allow for high abuse and that kind of run. But the car is in the class with the Subaru Legacy and Forestors.

you may find this wierd...but if i had to convert a VRG to something else?..i'd drop in an Evo VII engine.

hope this helps those who have been PMing me about coversion issues.

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Postby elegancevr4 » March 13th, 2008, 1:06 am

thanks man!!!.....good advice

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Postby ~Vēġó~ » March 13th, 2008, 1:23 am

dais some good info dey son!!!!!!!! I miss my exceed :(

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Postby elegancevr4 » March 13th, 2008, 1:31 am

.....You have any idea where i can get a vr4 gas tank?.............And what if I wanna work up the AWD box as a 2WD if I dont get a gas tank????.......I understand from the dealer that ppl are going that way.

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Postby Big Z » March 13th, 2008, 8:43 am

Good info. Thanks.

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Postby Dave » March 13th, 2008, 8:52 am

nah boy, with that kinda info u had to have done a convo :lol:
info like this is almost impossible to come by cause most ppl take the easy way out
Good stuff Banzai

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Postby DF1_2nR » March 13th, 2008, 9:36 am

Great info man. Alot of VRG men running down this conversion. Saw one being done up to last week by the mech.

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Postby Monk BANzai » March 13th, 2008, 10:07 am

elegancevr4 wrote:.....You have any idea where i can get a vr4 gas tank?.............And what if I wanna work up the AWD box as a 2WD if I dont get a gas tank????.......I understand from the dealer that ppl are going that way.


thats hard. i'd suggest calling Gobin or Hyperfast to get them to order one for you. I have a drive shaft and an extra T-Case on order from him.

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Postby Sanctifier » March 20th, 2008, 10:27 am

Great write up BANzai. Can't afford to lose this. Perfect for the Archives...
Don't want to steal your thunder so can you post this on The Image MadMen Forum
on Zorce please. Thanks. :wink:

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Postby MISHI » March 20th, 2008, 11:04 am

added to the tech articles sticky...

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Postby xtech » March 27th, 2008, 10:12 am

RUNNING THIS BEAST ON 2WD
(Formula for a VR2)



HMMMM.....Running this monster on 2 wheels?
2WD is not recommended since you will get so much "torque steer" (without front helical LSD)
that this car will be dangerous on the street. But yuh done know that is wat we like to see.

For successfully dropping a Galant/Legnum Vr4 6a13tt into a GDI/ Local Galant which did not leave factory as 4WD this is what you will need.




Required Parts:

1. 6A13tt motor from a Vr4 full harness and brain. Airflow.

2. FTO Front Wheel Drive transmission (if the 4WD conversion seems to be to much work) Yes the Mitsubishi MIVEC FTO (auto or manual box) with Axles. If your going manual you will need to get the required parts i.e linkage, shifter, clutch pedal?etc

3. 4G9x owners will need to purchase the V6 sub-frame from a junkyard if you can find one and have 2? spacers added to the undercarriage with longer bolts.

4. Take the accessory belts and timing belts to a local parts store and match them up. Its so much easier to do while the motor is on the ground.

Misconceptions:

This section is based on rumors from person?s that have no clue, have never seen a 6a13tt.

1. This motor will drop directly into any 8th gen Galant with no alignment worries.

2. There is no clearance issues with the firewall and the rear turbo (TD03-7T) upgrading to TD04-9bs is something to think about one time. I have not found out if the TD05 will fit.

3. Modifying the AWD transmission by removing the front transfer case will destroy the transmission. But if you must go ahead, when you hear a ?whurring? sound you know the transmission is dead.

Installation:

1. Remove the following: Engine/transmission, axles, sub-frame front bumper, both fenders. I4 owners will now want to replace the wiring harness at this junction too.

2. A 2.5? hole will have to be cut into the car to allow the inter-cooler piping to route down on the passenger side.

3. Install the 6a13TT with the FTO transmission, plug in all existing components of the wiring harness.
4. Lastly custom exhaust work, 3" is enough for most if 4" is needed..wow I'll be speechless.
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Postby brawnybro » April 2nd, 2008, 1:28 pm

dude tell mih if ah diving into a quagmire here ,originally i had a i.8 gdi with a gearbox ,swapped that for a 6g73 v6 bolted that on to the stock gearbox bearings didnt last long of course ,changed the gearbox for a mivec gearbox ,I recently bought the 6a13tt wanna bolt that onto the two wheel drive mivec gearbox can i make that frankenstien work?

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Postby Monk BANzai » April 2nd, 2008, 10:54 pm

^^the only 2WD drive box that i know will bolt onto the 61a12/13TT is the one that the FTO's coem with.

chk here for more details
http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=75419


Xtech..i dont have AYC anymore (grins....and glad i dont...spectacular power slides)

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Postby brawnybro » April 3rd, 2008, 4:31 am

thanks a lot man very helpful the bolt up works so far just my electrician having kittens with the rewire yesterday

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Postby scientist » April 3rd, 2008, 9:16 am

the galant also came with a manual and an auto for the 6A13 in the galant VR as well as the MIVEC galant

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Postby xtech » April 3rd, 2008, 10:21 am

i meet a guy who say he can bring a Complete driving VR4 Legnum for $25K.


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What the 2WD undercarrage looks like installed…Image

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1st start off by finding the rear undercarriage bolt that needs to be moved to the front
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cut around this square that is hiding the bolt
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some replacement bolts/washers that should be welded together and then to the frame.
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Here’s an under shot of what needs to be cut/moved
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Next you got to find the front hole and throw/weld this bolt in there
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Now that left is to remove the FWD Gas tank hangers that are in the way for the AWD Rear end
A regular drill will be able to drill through the spot welds and just hammer it off..
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Done! AWD Rear Subframe bolted and mocked up!
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Postby blessedtt » August 9th, 2008, 4:55 pm

NEED SOME INFO ..ON PULLING OFF FROM DRIVE THE GEAR CHANGES..BUT WEN I STOP IT DOESNT GO BACK TO 1ST ..ITS NOT WIREING ALREADY CHECK..NEED SOME HELP ..PLEASE :wink:

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Postby makaveli » March 18th, 2009, 2:11 pm

BANzai Rastafarai, look 4 a driveshaft n water pump 4 my sharkmouth galant u know where i can locate them or wat other drive shaft could work on de shark mouth them

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby reptbc » June 11th, 2013, 7:35 am

Sorry for waking this this old thread with very useful info. Just want to ask if these pointers will work for the 7g. I have the v6 6a12 n/a fwd version and would like to drop the turbo version. I know its a straight drop in the front. Do i just have to put the rear subframe and gas tank in and bolt everything in

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby xtech » June 11th, 2013, 7:37 am

U converting to 8th Gen engine?

But both cars are laid out the same anyway except for the engine on the left so u should be able follow the directions in here.

Using 7th gen parts obviously
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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby reptbc » June 11th, 2013, 8:55 pm

This is the only thread i could find on the internet with these kind of steps. hopefully it will be as easy as just swapping the rear suspension and bolting everything in. I want to get this done to my 7g to wake her up haha

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby reptbc » June 12th, 2013, 7:22 am

I have been reading and it says that the rear will not work without cutting up the tunnel a little bit. the drive shaft will fit but not the exhaust too. Anybody have any input about that with a 7g??

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby xtech » June 12th, 2013, 10:30 am

Both cars are built using the same suspension base for sure.... Usually 2WD and AWD body shells are the same but use different subframes and gas tanks

I Have no idea about your tunnel size issues.... Since in the 8th Gen everything fits between models.

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby reptbc » October 31st, 2013, 11:15 pm

will a 6a13 fit in my 7g with a 6a12?? I would rather go 6a13

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Re: VRG to VR4 conversion pointers

Postby Rex_hvnz » November 7th, 2017, 9:02 am

This pointers has helped me alot getting to complete 50% of these modifications. Just need few more help and will be on track;
1). The wiring is cut off for the rear AYC diff, what can be done here.
2). Will the VR4 cluster work with my old harness as i still have the old one installed and don't have the vr4 one.
3). I have done few washer packings on the front vr4 suspension as the vr4 suspension couldn't fit onto mine.

Your help will be really great. Thank you in advance.

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