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Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby bobks » July 8th, 2014, 9:19 am

Hi,
as an owner of a 2002 323F BJ with the 1.6 ZM-DE engine, I'm interested in questions about a ZL-VE conversion - at first, only theoretical, because in Western Europe, nobody seems to have done that yet. From what I've read, the Maztune guys here seem to know about it.

http://www.protegefaq.net/ says that the ZL-VE head is a direct bolt-on to the ZM-DE block. Best of both worlds would be then using the european ZM-DE block (compression ratio 9.7:1) with the ZL-VE head and the euro ZM-DE intake manifold, including VICS, and the ZL-VE 4-2-1 exhaust manifold instead of the stock 4-1. I would keep the gearbox, because the euro version has shorter ratios in 5th gear and final drive compared to the JDM/USDM Version.

Main problem will be the engine management/ECU and harness, I think, to make everything working together, especially fitting with German emission regulations and vehicle inspection certificate (nearly impossible, I think) and getting all required parts (the ZL-VE is quite common in Russia, but I've no connections there).
So everything is merely a game of ideas.

For example, what I don't know is if the ZL-VE has a catalytic converter. The euro ZM-DE has the converter directly bolt on to the exhaust manifold, and so I think it wouldn't fit to the 4-2-1 "header".
Do the ZL-VE equipped cars have other modifications (brakes, suspension etc.)?

So, if someone here would share his experience, many thanks.
Sorry for my English...
Greetings
Bob

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby cinco » July 8th, 2014, 4:00 pm

is your car right hand drive?
the later zlve out of japan is oxygen sensor and catalytic converter equipped.
the full harness and ecu is easily acquired and you can get the zlve head installed on a zmde block easily

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby bobks » July 9th, 2014, 4:09 am

Thanks, this sounds interesting. So I think I would need the exhaust downpipe and catalytic converter, too.
Are there any pictures in the net how a zlve exhaust looks like?
zlve http://www.avto-kontrakt.com/_sh/13/1341m.jpg
zlde/zmde http://jdmenginesusa.com/images/EnginePics/Full/dscn8598.jpg with the catalytic converter mounted directly to the manifold.
But my car is left hand drive - does this make a difference?
The zlve in Russia are RHD - probably there were no LHD zlve-equipped cars built.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby cinco » July 10th, 2014, 1:20 pm

the pic you posted of the zlve mani is only part of the manifold you will need both parts with the downpipe you can move the cat lower down on the piping to remain compliant.
I know the zmde type you are referring too it is the same as the USDM cars.
im not 100% sure of the limitations of the lhd wiring but the rhd zmde and zlve wiring are very similar and the ecu has the same pinout.
I have a zlve exhaust mani on the ground when i get a chance i will take a pic for you

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby bobks » July 13th, 2014, 12:10 pm

Hi, thanks!
I've found everything about the different exhausts here:
http://mazda.epcdata.ru/familia/ajba09/4_kit_injection_cooling/4000/#4000AB
http://mazda.epcdata.ru/familia/ajba09/4_kit_injection_cooling/1310/#1310AB
The (1500CC)(no variable valve timing) parts are the same a in my car.
So maybe the exhaust system alone could help a little performance for the zmde.

The euro zmde is not quite the same as in the USDM cars - higher compression ratio and inlet manifold with VICS.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby JahSoldi3r » July 13th, 2014, 5:00 pm

I have all thhe literature for the mazda 323 and 626 in pdf format if you are interested. Repair manuals, transmission training manuals, everything. Up to 2004 i believe. Are you interested? It's on cd.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby NR8 » October 3rd, 2014, 7:44 pm

I'm interested in the 323 literature JahSoldi3r. I've got a 2003 BJ. Would you be willing to email me the PDFs?

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby tytano » October 17th, 2014, 6:21 pm

JahSoldi3r...I'm interested in the 323 literature. Is it compatible with the Mazda BH 323 foreign used. How can I get a copy?

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » November 13th, 2014, 8:54 pm

Now this may seem like a strange question but does anybody have a 323/familia just there rotting doing nothing? Cuz I'm looking for a part on it that harder than big stone to find. To be precise, the socket for the id light bulb. Can't get it anywhere n I'm guessing this is the only way I can find it. O if there is an alternative.... Help ah fellow 3 series mazda owner out nah. Ah beggin. Willing to pay of course...

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby 323tuner » November 14th, 2014, 11:06 pm

Milkman45, are you looking for this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2000-2001- ... 9a&vxp=mtr

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » November 15th, 2014, 10:45 pm

Thanks a million... Trying to avoid getting ticket...lol

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Sinester » January 23rd, 2015, 2:00 pm

JahSoldi3r good day man, can you link me with the PDF for the mazda 323 BJ ZL?

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » September 16th, 2015, 1:18 pm

Good day peeps, looking to buy some shocks for my BJ. Bobby's have some JSK brand. Anybody knows about them? Some suggestion/advice will be helpful.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » October 1st, 2015, 8:49 pm

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby cinco » October 1st, 2015, 8:58 pm

Milkman45 wrote:Good day peeps, looking to buy some shocks for my BJ. Bobby's have some JSK brand. Anybody knows about them? Some suggestion/advice will be helpful.

Stick with tokico or kyb

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » October 2nd, 2015, 7:46 pm

Thanks man

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby Milkman45 » November 1st, 2015, 9:53 pm

Could anyone advise on the best tranny oil to use? Gonna start using amsoil 20/50. Is that a good thing?

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby nutty4u2c » November 12th, 2015, 7:40 pm

Well I think this might be the best place to sell some Mazda parts I have lying around. pair of Headlights , Indicator lights , Instrument cluster,Ash Tray, park lights all from a PAW 323 I had. I swapped the light for the double lights and just put these away.
I came upon them in a wooden box, even the bottom of the box looks new.
PM me .

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 20th, 2016, 1:44 pm

Sinester wrote:JahSoldi3r good day man, can you link me with the PDF for the mazda 323 BJ ZL?


Hey, sorry about that. I got banned from that profile and forgot about your request until I found this thread again.

I will upload to Dropbox and send the link here.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 20th, 2016, 1:46 pm

NR8 wrote:I'm interested in the 323 literature JahSoldi3r. I've got a 2003 BJ. Would you be willing to email me the PDFs?

Sorry, got banned and forgot. Well send a link to a download here...

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 20th, 2016, 1:47 pm

tytano wrote:JahSoldi3r...I'm interested in the 323 literature. Is it compatible with the Mazda BH 323 foreign used. How can I get a copy?

It's a whole collection of literature for all Mazda vehicles from inception to about 2006 if I remember correctly. Well send a download link here

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » April 9th, 2016, 11:49 pm

Http://190.83.212.243/323.tgz

Link to zip file containing all the Mazda documentation that I have.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » May 21st, 2016, 8:29 pm

i chnged to digicel flow so tht link no longer works.
nyone needs it gin i will repost nother link

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby NR8 » January 9th, 2017, 9:15 am

Can you reload the files bro? That link doesn't work.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » January 12th, 2017, 7:32 pm

i chnged to digicel flow so tht link no longer works.<br />nyone needs it gin i will repost nother link

Uploading to a Google drive now..Will send the link soon

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Postby jahs0ldi3r » January 16th, 2017, 1:28 am

Here's the download link I promised.

No virii, no malware just lots of documents

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzXqED ... sp=sharing

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