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THE_FUGITIVES wrote:Can we protest ? where when? >probably the next meet? or is that not a good thing?
No. TTASA is not a public organisation. Only the members need be informed of such.Mini wrote:I'd like to ask though. Since TTASA is the NGB, shouldn't they publish the notice of elections well before it's held?
Also shouldn't the constitution with regards to how many can vote, etc be available to the public? It must be published somewhere.
As far as I am aware that is precisely how they operate.rcadiz wrote:Everything to do with TTASA organization rules and regulations is supposed to be governed 100% by their constitution.
Did you try to request this information from an 'affiliate club'? Surely they should know!rcadiz wrote:This holds for any Club and/or public entity, especially those registered with the MSYA. Despite many requests however we have only ever been sent the part of their constitution that deals specifically with 'affiliate clubs'.
TTASA is not a 'National Organisation'. It is a 'National Governing Body'! "If it were me" is a pointless argument when referring to the modus operandi of TTASA.rcadiz wrote:As far as a published voting list. This might be pushing it, besides some people may not like their names published publicly anyway. However being a National Organization, and given that there's so much at stake with this particular election, if it were me i would make it a point to be as transparent as possible in order to win back the confidence of the motorsport public who have had much to call into question - as many of the various forum discussions would show you.
I always thought they kept their cards next to a different part of their anatomy, but I defer to your wisdom on such matters.rcadiz wrote:People need to have faith, trust, and confidence going forward. This is difficult when for the most part, TTASA has played their cards close to their chest when it comes to major decisions that affect the masses.
My bad.rcadiz wrote:Folks I humbly ask that you do not respond with silly responses of TTASA this and that.
Quite right. Not all members have voting rights.SR wrote:isnt ttasa's internal elections always kept hush hush
as from thier pt off view and thier own articles of association it does not concern the general public or non members or members who do not have a say within the organisation
link wrote:Mr. Cadiz & others
I try to encourage people to think about the subjects I post about, so I will not 'put food in the plate, give you a knife & fork...and then feed you as well here either.
That being said...I will make just two points & leave you all to ponder your thoughts :
1/ Mr. cadiz was specifically advised by BOTH the NACAM President & Vice president that 'the only way to enjoy the benefits of the FIA was to 'join' TTASA (as the T&T FIA ASN).If you don't become affiliated you get nothing...'
2/ Mr. David Abdullah is now OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT 'bleating' when he should have been 'inside' bleating'. AT LEAST THEN, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIS VOICE HEARD & be able to effect change !!
as the advertisment goes....'don't be on the outside bleating....get affiliated'
^its true...however there are many members who have issues VOTING for a XXXX and a XXXX and a XXX person such as XXXX....
....many a time XXXX was given $ to deposit into TTASA's account, and days upon weeks passed and the $ would still not have been deposited. He would then use some of this $ for his personal use with the intent of paying it back. (reason for all the late deposits) .....he was warned, and CONTINUED to do this....
along with the personal sale of 'bands' to enter the drag events on numerous occasions...
...XXXX keeps informing the public of TTASA's current "bad name" yet he is the one contributing MOST towards it....technically the man is very smart....however.... there's not ONE SOUL on ttasa's members list that can stand his arrogant attitude.... even an individual expressed his feelings when XXXX was on the receiving end of a SLAP at one of the TTASAs events....
...oh well... XXXX...good luck buddie...but if u make president.... imma attend EVERY TTASA event just to watch u get slapped...AGAIN!
Here we go folks, Ali vs Link.
Appointment to the Board of Trustees is a lifetime appointment. Although the Board of Trustees do not manage the day to day operations they have the power to remove the Executive and appoint an interim Executive. This is to protect the TTASA structure and maintain the status quo.rcadiz wrote:Then there is the Board of Trustees who don't have the operational control but are advisers in larger matters, and usually are made up of past Executive members.
TTASA, as an organisation, was never structured to be an all encompasing representative body.rcadiz wrote:At the end of the day the simple truth is that TTASA does not have the majority support of the true motorsport stakeholders, however their position is protected by a closely monitored membership that essentially enables them to keep the control shared amongst a few selected individuals.
rcadiz wrote:In my last 4 years of meetings, research, and discussion with trying to conceptualize the best way forward, this is what i have been told concerning the structure of TTASA and by contrast what the rest of us support. Hopefully i am clear.
[b]How the Competitive Groups see it (TTRC, TTKA, CARS, ASA, TTMF, TORMATT)
Step 1 - Identify the disciplines that exist in TnT - Drags, Circuit, Rally, Karting, Dex/Time Attack, Moto-cross, and most recently Drifting
Step 2 - Identify the key persons/organizations involved who have the best track record of events/overall performance
Step 3 - Select the best organizations per discipline, and Get 2 members from each organization to form a Motorsport Federation which will be the top level of governance. The top level of motorsport only has member organizations NOT individuals. The individual members vote the executives in and then the executives vote for the representative at Federation level. This way the most democratic representation per discipline is chosen.
Step 4 - Have a representative on the Federation for the Recreational Bodies (Car Shows, Promotional organizations, Recreational competitions, etc) as this is a very large aspect of motorsport and should maintain strong ties with Competition, but not form a voting part of a Sporting Governing Body.
Step 5 - Set up an Appeal Court within the Federation to deal with all 'squabbles' in order to avoid always resorting to the legal way.
You get the picture and it is clear to see that democracy is very present with the Federation setup. TTASA will be the name of the Federation, and the individual members of TTASA will assimilate into any of the competitive disciplines that they so desire - more than 1 if they wish. The TTASA Federation will then elect the best suited President or ASN Representative who will be the one to represent our country at FIA/NACAM level.
Every 2 years the individual membership of TTASA votes for the typical Executive Struture - Pres, VP, Sec, Treasurer, etc. The President automatically assumes the role of the ASN Representative internationally. Then there is the Board of Trustees who don't have the operational control but are advisers in larger matters, and usually are made up of past Executive members.
TTASA Executive - Board of Trustees
Motorsport General Council
The Motorsport General Council is made up of a number of Affiliates who have NO voting rights unless they are also individual members of TTASA. At the moment we know them to be TTUNDRA, Horizon Motorsport, TTRA, TTNSA, V8 Car Club, i think also Mini Club, and a few Biker Clubs.
Intentions of the MGC
- To meet once a month and be the driving force of Motorsport on the ground level while TTASA remains the FIA/NACAM adviser and facilitator of Motorsport at top level
PROBLEMS WITH THE MGC Structure:
- TTASA Executive is ultimately in charge of you as none of the 'affiliates' have any voting rights
- No true control as TTASA has veto power on all decisions
- One of the major problems is that there is an obvious abundance of recreational organizations, and those who claim to be competitive were born our of driver associations and have never actually put on an event far less hosted a championship series.
- Any Club can join once a relatively easy criteria is fulfilled - minimum membership, a constitution etc
- Even though they have no true power, the voting is completely skewed based on who the members are. For example, we were told that there are already 2 Rally Clubs, so that would mean TTRC would be number 3. If there are 3 Rally Clubs, 1 Karting Club, 4 Drag Racing Clubs, then there will obviously be an unfair weight toward the Discipline with the most representation
- With 2 reps per Club on the MGC, the meetings get very large in number, have you ever tried to have a productive meeting with 25 people in it for example, hmmm......thought so.
TTASA has the sporting authority from FIA, and the NGB status from MSYA. So they have the power to do everything. Old members who now Rally were told that because their membership lapsed that they were removed from the TTASA membership, without any written notice, and were refused renewal. HOWEVER, it is quite obvious that TTASA will re-instate old members at their discretion.
At the end of the day the simple truth is that TTASA does not have the majority support of the true motorsport stakeholders, however their position is protected by a closely monitored membership that essentially enables them to keep the control shared amongst a few selected individuals.
It's not over, far from it! "The wrong choice" was made many times in the past and ppl were aware of it. The 'support' they have will not drop anytime soon. There are still many, many ppl with the attitude 'me eh care, once I have a place to race.'THE_FUGITIVES wrote:Why Cant They Realize that its over , especially that statement that if you dont Jump on their ship , you will lose out , Sooner Or Later if they do make the wrong choice and these points are advertised to the ones that dont know , the support and participation to their events will drop drastically if not completely.