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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » August 27th, 2013, 9:20 am

syncrod wrote:Can u provide dsg7 autoscan information to confirm sw and hw numbers.
Only thing is I not sure where that info is taken from.
All we need now is to check a mk5 that hasn't had the mechatronic unit change to confirm sw/hw numbers


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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby syncrod » August 27th, 2013, 7:55 pm

if u have a VCDS (Ross-Tech) cable/software
take a copy of the data in the 02- Auto Trans section with Autoscan and paste it for us.
if not we go organise a met or something

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » August 27th, 2013, 9:23 pm

syncrod wrote:if u have a VCDS (Ross-Tech) cable/software
take a copy of the data in the 02- Auto Trans section with Autoscan and paste it for us.
if not we go organise a met or something


Yup, don't know how to do that, lol!

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » February 25th, 2014, 6:19 pm

syncrod wrote:
svramoutar wrote:So, just an update folks, my VW Jetta (MK5) wouldn't start on Monday, lever wouldn't shift out of Park, only to be told it was the mechatronic unit gone bad again for the second time in less than 3 years. The first time it went was when the car was one week old, and then I was told that a batch of them had to be swapped for the updated ones. So, the updated ones are giving trouble now? Honestly, I'm so frustrated with my car, just had too many issues. All I want is a reliable vehicle, and so far this has been the most unreliable one I have ever owned. I really tried hard to love my car, just can't anymore. As sad as it makes me, I'm actually contemplating putting it up for sale, sniff!


hopefully you get a good part this time
i'm on number 4, dont have any other info on the older units
but this is the current unit HW/SW numbers, etc
haven't had any problems so far,(except a recuring 006012 fault code)

Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 0AM-300-04x.lbl
Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 N HW: 0AM 927 769 D
Component: GSG DSG AG7 431 2681
Revision: 00043014 Serial number: CU501211135667
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 07737 898 02089
VCID: 3B75EB8F7A4194C69BB

maybe u can compare the part numbers to see whether its a newer unit.
and maybe an Mk6 owner who hasn't had any problem can provide similar info just for comparison
since both Mk5 & 6 use 118kw engines (CAVD & CTHD)


Finally, checked the invoice and this is the part number on my new mechatronic - 0AM-325-025H-Z64. Do you think I might have gotten the new, updated one this time?

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » February 25th, 2014, 6:31 pm

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:
syncrod wrote:
svramoutar wrote:So, just an update folks, my VW Jetta (MK5) wouldn't start on Monday, lever wouldn't shift out of Park, only to be told it was the mechatronic unit gone bad again for the second time in less than 3 years. The first time it went was when the car was one week old, and then I was told that a batch of them had to be swapped for the updated ones. So, the updated ones are giving trouble now? Honestly, I'm so frustrated with my car, just had too many issues. All I want is a reliable vehicle, and so far this has been the most unreliable one I have ever owned. I really tried hard to love my car, just can't anymore. As sad as it makes me, I'm actually contemplating putting it up for sale, sniff!


hopefully you get a good part this time
i'm on number 4, dont have any other info on the older units
but this is the current unit HW/SW numbers, etc
haven't had any problems so far,(except a recuring 006012 fault code)

Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 0AM-300-04x.lbl
Part No SW: 0AM 300 048 N HW: 0AM 927 769 D
Component: GSG DSG AG7 431 2681
Revision: 00043014 Serial number: CU501211135667
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 07737 898 02089
VCID: 3B75EB8F7A4194C69BB

maybe u can compare the part numbers to see whether its a newer unit.
and maybe an Mk6 owner who hasn't had any problem can provide similar info just for comparison
since both Mk5 & 6 use 118kw engines (CAVD & CTHD)


Here is mine. Mk6 Jetta. CAVD engine.

Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 0AM-300-04x.lbl
Part No SW: 0AM 300 053 HW: 0AM 927 769 D
Component: GSG DSG AG7 431 3029
Revision: 00043014 Serial number: CU501112056516
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: E9F7E4F9C0C01D56B97

No fault code found.


This is the part number for the new mechatronic that they installed in my car, just checked the invoice, 0AM-325-025H-Z64. Do you think this may be a revised one?

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby syncrod » February 25th, 2014, 6:42 pm

according to info gathered @ http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpost.php?s=f66c2980dcb5bed158260a5a84fc16bb&p=757757&postcount=13

abit confusing
mechatronic with software for 7-speed dual clutch gearbox - DQ200 - petrol eng.+CTHD,CTKA

0AM 325 025 H mechatronic with software
* order only with color code *

08/12-11/12 Z53 mechatronic with software NTP+CTKA
11/12 Z65 mechatronic with software PMH+CTKA
>05/13 ZBH mechatronic with software PKM+CTKA
08/12-11/12 Z52 mechatronic with software NTP+CTHD
11/12 Z64 mechatronic with software PMH+CTHD
>05/13 ZBG mechatronic with software PKM+CTHD
08/12-11/12 Z5H mechatronic with software NTX
11/12 Z6M mechatronic with software PMQ
05/13 ZC0 mechatronic with software PKU

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mechatronic with software for 7-speed dual clutch gearbox - DQ200 - petrol eng.+CAVD,CNWA

0AM 325 025 D mechatronic with software
* order only with color code *

06/08-05/10 ZCZ mechatronic with software MYQ
05/10-11/10 Z4U mechatronic with software MLD
05/10-11/10 Z9V mechatronic with software MYR
05/10-11/10 Z5B mechatronic with software MSL
11/10-05/11 Z85 mechatronic with software MPK+PR-0GV,7MG
11/10-05/11 Z86 mechatronic with software MPK+PR-7MH
11/10-05/11 Z83 mechatronic with software MUV
06/08-05/10 ZCM mechatronic with software LKP,LPL,LWW,MGM


i guess that number is some sort of production date ofsort
Bunny maybe able to clarify

i think it should be sorted by now

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » February 25th, 2014, 8:07 pm

syncrod wrote:according to info gathered @ http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpost.php?s=f66c2980dcb5bed158260a5a84fc16bb&p=757757&postcount=13

abit confusing
mechatronic with software for 7-speed dual clutch gearbox - DQ200 - petrol eng.+CTHD,CTKA

0AM 325 025 H mechatronic with software
* order only with color code *

08/12-11/12 Z53 mechatronic with software NTP+CTKA
11/12 Z65 mechatronic with software PMH+CTKA
>05/13 ZBH mechatronic with software PKM+CTKA
08/12-11/12 Z52 mechatronic with software NTP+CTHD
11/12 Z64 mechatronic with software PMH+CTHD
>05/13 ZBG mechatronic with software PKM+CTHD
08/12-11/12 Z5H mechatronic with software NTX
11/12 Z6M mechatronic with software PMQ
05/13 ZC0 mechatronic with software PKU

__________________________________

mechatronic with software for 7-speed dual clutch gearbox - DQ200 - petrol eng.+CAVD,CNWA

0AM 325 025 D mechatronic with software
* order only with color code *

06/08-05/10 ZCZ mechatronic with software MYQ
05/10-11/10 Z4U mechatronic with software MLD
05/10-11/10 Z9V mechatronic with software MYR
05/10-11/10 Z5B mechatronic with software MSL
11/10-05/11 Z85 mechatronic with software MPK+PR-0GV,7MG
11/10-05/11 Z86 mechatronic with software MPK+PR-7MH
11/10-05/11 Z83 mechatronic with software MUV
06/08-05/10 ZCM mechatronic with software LKP,LPL,LWW,MGM


i guess that number is some sort of production date ofsort
Bunny maybe able to clarify

i think it should be sorted by now


Ok, it is a bit confusing, lol.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby syncrod » February 25th, 2014, 8:39 pm

11/12 might be the production date
since mine end with 025 D and your with 025 H
i could be running any of the units on the lower section CAVD (notice the dates are 06/08 to 05/11)
based on the part # ending with Z64 u may have a 11/12 (Nov 2012???) model.
i just guessing here

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » February 25th, 2014, 10:40 pm

syncrod wrote:11/12 might be the production date
since mine end with 025 D and your with 025 H
i could be running any of the units on the lower section CAVD (notice the dates are 06/08 to 05/11)
based on the part # ending with Z64 u may have a 11/12 (Nov 2012???) model.
i just guessing here


I really don't know, maybe bunny can help us out here.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » February 26th, 2014, 9:08 am

Sorry. I don't know much bout this either. I can't even check the part number for my MU with VCDS so can't match it up with what you see in the parts catalogue. If anyone knows where the part number is on the MU maybe I could check mine and post something relevant.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby EcoTune Trinidad » February 26th, 2014, 5:05 pm

Not seeing the part# for the MU either, but you can cross-reference the SW on the mech with respective HW based on the below

So, my MU SW would be PMH Revision 02 which makes my HW Z64 with CTHD engine

AllergictoBunnyEars, based on this I am thinking my MU has the mineral oil, yes?Assuming the first numbers syncrod posted are indeed the dates?

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This pic shows the manu or assembly date of the mech

24th January 2013 would be my DOM of the MU

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » February 26th, 2014, 8:06 pm

EcoTune Trinidad wrote:Not seeing the part# for the MU either, but you can cross-reference the SW on the mech with respective HW based on the below

So, my MU SW would be PMH Revision 02 which makes my HW Z64 with CTHD engine

AllergictoBunnyEars, based on this I am thinking my MU has the mineral oil, yes?Assuming the first numbers syncrod posted are indeed the dates?

Image




This pic shows the manu or assembly date of the mech

24th January 2013 would be my DOM of the MU

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I'm lost, lol!

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Krystal Car Part Imports » March 5th, 2014, 3:24 pm

Mechatronic units are not very expensive ( surprisingly compared to new valve bodies for ZF transmissions) you can get a new one from england from deutscheparts for a reasonable price.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Team Loco » March 5th, 2014, 3:40 pm

All these issues making me think twice. Want my hands on a new jetta

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Postby Team Loco » March 5th, 2014, 3:40 pm

All these issues making me think twice. Want my hands on a new jetta

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Pointman-IA » March 5th, 2014, 7:33 pm

kantoine wrote:Mechatronic units are not very expensive ( surprisingly compared to new valve bodies for ZF transmissions) you can get a new one from england from deutscheparts for a reasonable price.


What is the price for a new one from the UK, landed in TnT?

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Krystal Car Part Imports » March 10th, 2014, 2:15 pm

Um... just letting you guys know that a Mechatronic can be repaired. It is not a hopeless case

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » March 10th, 2014, 2:56 pm

Who locally will fix a dq200 mechatronic unit? Who will code a new unit for you locally and at what cost?

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby EcoTune Trinidad » March 11th, 2014, 6:44 am

Curious to find out myself.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Krystal Car Part Imports » March 11th, 2014, 9:13 pm

It can be repaired, but not in Trinidad. USA or UK. I know some people who do it in UK and I have been led to understand there is a place in Canada that do it as well. As to Cost? $5000- $6000 less shipping taxes. I found them through a company i bought parts from in UK some moons ago. Ill get more info and return to you folks

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby fastredcar » March 11th, 2014, 10:09 pm

This is a video about a breakdown and replacement of valves in a DQ250 VW Mechatronic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqmrNoAIJU

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Krystal Car Part Imports » March 13th, 2014, 10:36 am

I got this advisory. Anyone experiencing these problems?

Flashing PRNDS in the Dash and the gearbox will switch to neutral.

Hard engaging of the 1st gear (slams into the first gear) from a stand still point. This can sometimes also be caused by a decallibration of the clutches so you might be able to "save the day" by performing a recalibration with a VCDS cable. Procedure can be found on Ross Tech website.

Hard downshifting from 3 to 2 and 2 to 1st gear followed by some loud "clunk" noises.

Shaking / juddering feeling while in 2nd , 3rd gear and the car pulls up.

Jerking between gears

Loss of power between 1300-2000 RPM. Car feels like it has no power.

Some of the affected units are :

02E927770E
02E927770AE
02E927770AJ
02E927770L
02E927770G
02E325025AD
02E325025ADZ01
02E325025ADZ02
02E325025ADZ03
02E325025ADZ04
02E325025ADZ05
02E325025ADZ06
02E325025ADZ07
02E325025ADZ08
02E325025ADZ09
02E325025ADZ0A
02E325025ADZ0B
02E325025ADZ0C
02E325025ADZ0D

There are many other symptoms but here I described just a few of them. BEFORE you send me any DSG problems related questions I would suggest you to try the following :

Change your DSG Oil and Oil Filter. When changing look for metal residues in the oil or the oil filter. MAKE sure you fill up the gearbox oil to the specified levels.

Perform Basic Settings as described on Ross Tech website.

Make sure you don't have any oil leaks from the gearbox and the oil is at the correct level.

Check your ABS Sensors. Check if all 4 sensors read same speed while driving. (have another person driving with you and monitoring while driving, make a log file). ABS Sensor can be a pain when talking DSG Gearbox shifting.

Change your fuel filter. Especially on diesel cars check the fuel filter and see if you don't have any oil in the filter. The high pressure vacuum pump tends to fail and mix oil into the diesel.

Check your DMF (Dual Mass Flywheel). Take the Starter motor down (it's 2 screws) and check if you have any play.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » March 13th, 2014, 10:49 am

kantoine wrote:I got this advisory. Anyone experiencing these problems?

Flashing PRNDS in the Dash and the gearbox will switch to neutral.

Hard engaging of the 1st gear (slams into the first gear) from a stand still point. This can sometimes also be caused by a decallibration of the clutches so you might be able to "save the day" by performing a recalibration with a VCDS cable. Procedure can be found on Ross Tech website.

Hard downshifting from 3 to 2 and 2 to 1st gear followed by some loud "clunk" noises.

Shaking / juddering feeling while in 2nd , 3rd gear and the car pulls up.

Jerking between gears

Loss of power between 1300-2000 RPM. Car feels like it has no power.

Some of the affected units are :

02E927770E
02E927770AE
02E927770AJ
02E927770L
02E927770G
02E325025AD
02E325025ADZ01
02E325025ADZ02
02E325025ADZ03
02E325025ADZ04
02E325025ADZ05
02E325025ADZ06
02E325025ADZ07
02E325025ADZ08
02E325025ADZ09
02E325025ADZ0A
02E325025ADZ0B
02E325025ADZ0C
02E325025ADZ0D

There are many other symptoms but here I described just a few of them. BEFORE you send me any DSG problems related questions I would suggest you to try the following :

Change your DSG Oil and Oil Filter. When changing look for metal residues in the oil or the oil filter. MAKE sure you fill up the gearbox oil to the specified levels.

Perform Basic Settings as described on Ross Tech website.

Make sure you don't have any oil leaks from the gearbox and the oil is at the correct level.

Check your ABS Sensors. Check if all 4 sensors read same speed while driving. (have another person driving with you and monitoring while driving, make a log file). ABS Sensor can be a pain when talking DSG Gearbox shifting.

Change your fuel filter. Especially on diesel cars check the fuel filter and see if you don't have any oil in the filter. The high pressure vacuum pump tends to fail and mix oil into the diesel.

Check your DMF (Dual Mass Flywheel). Take the Starter motor down (it's 2 screws) and check if you have any play.


This bulletin is for the not easily found locally 6 speed wet clutch DSG.

02E is the 6 speed DQ250 DSG which is sold locally only in the 2.0T, 2.0TDI equipped cars and I think the Yeti.

Most of the "recent" local 1.4 litre VW vehicles, like the original poster's car, come with the 7 speed DSG which doesn't have a filter and doesn't require an oil change.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Krystal Car Part Imports » March 13th, 2014, 3:23 pm

not require an oil change?

That sounds really outlandish

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DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » March 13th, 2014, 5:35 pm

Indeed it does.

I'm testing the theory on mine though. Hopefully will let y'all know how it turned out years from now.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby svramoutar » March 14th, 2014, 7:07 pm

kantoine wrote:not require an oil change?

That sounds really outlandish


LoL, same thing I said!

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby vbninja » April 13th, 2018, 6:51 am

I have changed 2 brand new mechatrinic units for a customer in the space of 3 years.... this time around i just converted the whole .....mn car to a completely different engine and transmission that was 2 and a half years ago they have had no problems since. You can call me 326-9561.... jason

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby vbninja » April 13th, 2018, 7:07 am

svramoutar wrote:So, just an update folks, my VW Jetta (MK5) wouldn't start on Monday, lever wouldn't shift out of Park, only to be told it was the mechatronic unit gone bad again for the second time in less than 3 years. The first time it went was when the car was one week old, and then I was told that a batch of them had to be swapped for the updated ones. So, the updated ones are giving trouble now? Honestly, I'm so frustrated with my car, just had too many issues. All I want is a reliable vehicle, and so far this has been the most unreliable one I have ever owned. I really tried hard to love my car, just can't anymore. As sad as it makes me, I'm actually contemplating putting it up for sale, sniff!
I have had a customer with the same issues 2 new mechatronic units in 3 years from the dealers. They were successfully coded but did not last. The third time around i advised him to change the whole engine and transmission out and convert it to a different one that was 2 and a half years ago customer still happy.... call for info if interested?? 326-9561 Jason....for photos or videos of the swap i can wats app them to you.

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby 16 cycles » April 16th, 2018, 12:20 pm

who has done the oil service change on the dq250?

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Re: DSG failure twice in less than 3 years!

Postby vbninja » April 17th, 2018, 8:29 pm

16 cycles wrote:who has done the oil service change on the dq250?
I have, what questions do you have??

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