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brainchild wrote:eitech wrote:Yes u r a fool. Lol, same mankind who disobeyed God in the first place expecting to improve the world by still rejecting God. Ha! What a joke!
What difference does it make if his intention is not to bring peace on earth, i have no need for a life after this one. I don't live with the fear you do.
brainchild wrote:@bluesclues...those were children who taunted the man with his bald head, just children being children. Also, you all are the ones defending ancient evil doers not me. I'm saying lets call a spade a spade, no matter how many seas he claim to part or walk on.
brainchild wrote:@eitech Proverbs 1:7 - The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge...Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Proverbs 14:26 - In the fear of the LORD [is] strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.
Job 28:28 - And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that [is] wisdom; and to depart from evil [is] understanding.
Psalms 33:8 - Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
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bluesclues wrote:brainchild wrote:@bluesclues...those were children who taunted the man with his bald head, just children being children. Also, you all are the ones defending ancient evil doers not me. I'm saying lets call a spade a spade, no matter how many seas he claim to part or walk on.
What did he do to deserve them ganging up on him. Wasnt he at peace in his way going about his business for God? As unfair as their attacks were, didnt they enjoy the unfairness? Then if unfairness is a good practice then feel unfairness. Whatever you promote be directed back at you and you have no recourse to lament.
When a bully picks on those 2 feet shorter than him, isnt it justified that a someone 2 feet taller than the bully intervene? In as much as his advantage causes additional torment to those smaller than him or less in number than him. He revels in his unfair advantage. Then if this is a thing of joy, then may he be also subject to the way of the unfair advantage.
brainchild wrote:@bluesclues...this is my point, if your God was present and offering an alternative then i can see people jumping on the bandwagon, but when the only book around about him speaks of atrocities we would not condone now, what is the reason for following? A ridiculous promise to be fulfilled after my death?
Yes science has opened the door for many weapons, but we only use these weapons against eachother because of the division that exists through religion, racism etc. If we could somehow put these things aside and work on laws that promote sensible management of resources, lawbreakers etc. then mankind would be on the road to something resembling peace.
brainchild wrote:@eitech...fear and respect are not interwined son, no matter what "pastor" tell you.
bluesclues wrote:You sound like a fool, standing up in the court to say to the judge ' i dont recognize your authority', yet, whatever sentence that judge hands down, you will serve, and u cannot get out of serving it. Makes no difference if u walk in and sentence yourself to death with pride and courage. Both types of deathrow inmate die, the crying one or the brave and the laughing one.
brainchild wrote:bluesclues wrote:brainchild wrote:@bluesclues...those were children who taunted the man with his bald head, just children being children. Also, you all are the ones defending ancient evil doers not me. I'm saying lets call a spade a spade, no matter how many seas he claim to part or walk on.
What did he do to deserve them ganging up on him. Wasnt he at peace in his way going about his business for God? As unfair as their attacks were, didnt they enjoy the unfairness? Then if unfairness is a good practice then feel unfairness. Whatever you promote be directed back at you and you have no recourse to lament.
When a bully picks on those 2 feet shorter than him, isnt it justified that a someone 2 feet taller than the bully intervene? In as much as his advantage causes additional torment to those smaller than him or less in number than him. He revels in his unfair advantage. Then if this is a thing of joy, then may he be also subject to the way of the unfair advantage.
Children taunting an adult...a prophet of God no less? why didn't he sit them down and share the "word"? are you really justifying a man using the "power of the Lord" to cause the death of 42 children?
brainchild wrote:bluesclues wrote:You sound like a fool, standing up in the court to say to the judge ' i dont recognize your authority', yet, whatever sentence that judge hands down, you will serve, and u cannot get out of serving it. Makes no difference if u walk in and sentence yourself to death with pride and courage. Both types of deathrow inmate die, the crying one or the brave and the laughing one.
Well if the judge is invisible and silent and his imaginary "rulings" take place after i live a full life and die like anyone else would...what does it matter? This is a discussion on the philosophy of the bibles' teachings, at the end of the day i don't believe in this being, so whether i quote your scripture to illustrrate a point, ask a question or state a position, this has no affect on my life. Just the same as you using points from the gita or quran. I simply like presenting food for thought and understanding how you guys rationalize this nonsense. Thought we understood that
Christopher Hitchens wrote:I'll grant you that it would possible to track the pregnancy of the woman Mary who's mentioned about three times in the Bible and to show there was no male intervention in her life at all but yet she delivered herself of a healthy baby boy. I can say— I don't say that's impossible. Parthenogenesis is not completely unthinkable. It does not prove that his paternity is divine and it wouldn't prove that any of his moral teachings were thereby correct. Nor, if I was to see him executed one day and see him walking the streets the next, would that show that his father was God or his mother was a virgin or that his teachings were true, especially given the commonplace nature of resurrection at that time and place. After all, Lazarus was raised, never said a word about it. The daughter of Jairus was raised, didn't say a thing about what she'd been through. And the Gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened and their occupants wandered around the streets to greet people. So it seems resurrection was something of a banality at the time. Not all of those people clearly were divinely conceived. So I'll give you all the miracles and you'll still be left exactly where you are now, holding an empty sack.
eitech wrote:Bump for a thread dead too long
maj. tom wrote:This is why you have to be careful with propagating fake news. It turns into more than cult after too many people believe it.
Matthew (27:52-53) "The graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
Too bad historians cannot find any records of zombies anywhere, an event seen by many.Christopher Hitchens wrote:I'll grant you that it would possible to track the pregnancy of the woman Mary who's mentioned about three times in the Bible and to show there was no male intervention in her life at all but yet she delivered herself of a healthy baby boy. I can say— I don't say that's impossible. Parthenogenesis is not completely unthinkable. It does not prove that his paternity is divine and it wouldn't prove that any of his moral teachings were thereby correct. Nor, if I was to see him executed one day and see him walking the streets the next, would that show that his father was God or his mother was a virgin or that his teachings were true, especially given the commonplace nature of resurrection at that time and place. After all, Lazarus was raised, never said a word about it. The daughter of Jairus was raised, didn't say a thing about what she'd been through. And the Gospels tell us that at the time of the crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem opened and their occupants wandered around the streets to greet people. So it seems resurrection was something of a banality at the time. Not all of those people clearly were divinely conceived. So I'll give you all the miracles and you'll still be left exactly where you are now, holding an empty sack.
I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?Slartibartfast wrote:Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?
Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?
Slartibartfast wrote:I wonder if I will get a reply now. Or are you guys still against answering questions directly?Slartibartfast wrote:Not feeling to read through the pages I missed. Can someone give me a brief summary?
Did anyone disprove my divinity as yet?
sMASH wrote:Sounds familiar.
In islam we are taught there is the ruh and the naffs. One is the animal , base desires/ instincts that is with the physical body, it is the same thing in animals. U can refer to it ask ur animal instincts.
The next is u urself or ur spirit. It is what remains when u die, which transcends this realm and will exist in the next. This is the self that makes u different from the animals.
In the past when I had tried to discuss the little intricacies of how things are said to be arranged, the Christians tell me because jesus died and they don't need to follow the old testament. So they eat pork, drink wine, don't make sacrifices.
They are born again and not bound by the old abrahamic traditions.
Tell them about the new testament, and they say the bible is just a guide... and god put it inside u. It is what u feel when the holy spirit.
Is either u use the book, or get rid of it. Don't use it for some things, and then bypass it when u are shown things in it that are contrary to ur practise.
sMASH wrote:With respect to Judaism ur saying that at death, that is the end of the human?
meccalli wrote:This lie has perpetuated through ignorance of foundational judaeo-christian theology that gets overlooked when people take Christ's parables literally without any regard for historical context.
A soul to the ancient hebrew was known as the nephesh. נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh; from H5314; properly, a breathing creature,
The formula of a man is given in Genesis. Adam's body was composed of earth which upon receiving the breath of God was animated into life. And man became a living nephesh or soul. Contrastingly, a dead soul is a dead person.
Animals are the same, but the distinction you're making in the passage I quoted will be evident when you see it.
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature(nephesh/soul) after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."
This is where Solomon is searching for a distinction and why questions, "who knows whether the spirit of the beast goeth down?"
Because it was brought from the earth without God's direct intervention.
He reflects the same sentiment in another passage.
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7
And by the Psalmist
His spirit departs, he returns to the earth;In that very day his thoughts perish. Psa 146.4
The spirit is the ruach רוּחַ רוּחַ rûwach, roo'-akh; a primitive root; properly, to blow, i.e. breathe;
It is in no way referring to some disembodied and personal yet immaterial being. That distinction does not exist in the realm of physical beings but non corporeal entities such as God or similarly created entities. I.e seraphim, cherubs, shedim etc.
It's the mystery that Paul describes in his letters and the need for it. Christ was the only person to be reborn into the spirit becoming a spirit being.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' John 3:6
That is the hope of all Christians to receive the second birth and be translated into a spirit body.
The immortal soul is a Platonic idea enveloped in the Greco-roman philosopher's mind and his contempt for the physical attributes.
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:4
The Soul that sins shall die. The living person that sins shall die. End of story.
Popular christian doctrine would have you blaspheme that scripture with the understanding, the person that sins will die, BUT his soul will go on living in some abstract state capable of thought and feeling. It's a lie used to perpetuate more lies about eternal torment, purgatory, abraham's bosom and the whole other bag of gnostic and platonic ideas that have no biblical precedence.
sMASH wrote:Sounds familiar.
In islam we are taught there is the ruh and the naffs. One is the animal , base desires/ instincts that is with the physical body, it is the same thing in animals. U can refer to it ask ur animal instincts.
The next is u urself or ur spirit. It is what remains when u die, which transcends this realm and will exist in the next. This is the self that makes u different from the animals.
In the past when I had tried to discuss the little intricacies of how things are said to be arranged, the Christians tell me because jesus died and they don't need to follow the old testament. So they eat pork, drink wine, don't make sacrifices.
They are born again and not bound by the old abrahamic traditions.
Tell them about the new testament, and they say the bible is just a guide... and god put it inside u. It is what u feel when the holy spirit.
Is either u use the book, or get rid of it. Don't use it for some things, and then bypass it when u are shown things in it that are contrary to ur practise.
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