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pete wrote:If marriage is for procreation and raising a family then people who aren't able to have children should not get married?
Why can't a gay couple adopt, have a surrogate child etc? Or do you think a gay couple will molest the child or force them to become gay?
Daran wrote:maj. tom wrote:aye keep it in one thread nah. you want to hear the same bible juice drivel they said there all over again here?
Just wanted to get a poll. I aint taking on any bible bullahs here.
Stephon. wrote:I think he means people that use the bible to do talking for them even though they themselves don't know that they're going against what the same book stands for.
UML wrote:pete wrote:If marriage is for procreation and raising a family then people who aren't able to have children should not get married?
Why can't a gay couple adopt, have a surrogate child etc? Or do you think a gay couple will molest the child or force them to become gay?
people usually find out they cant have kids AFTER getting married.
i more think the child will be confused, embarrassed and tortured while growing up...maybe more incline to have gay tendencies because he is not exposed to masculine things...like when going through puberty....who does he ask for advice?....a woman pretending to be a man.....the child will ask the "man"....."how will u know what i am going through or feeling...you were NEVER a man!!"
Stephon. wrote:Any straight guy that thinks they can catch "the gay" isn't stright lol.
Ronaldo95163 wrote:You've gotta be gay if you hang out with gay people....
you in the closet brah?
UML wrote:pete wrote:If marriage is for procreation and raising a family then people who aren't able to have children should not get married?
Why can't a gay couple adopt, have a surrogate child etc? Or do you think a gay couple will molest the child or force them to become gay?
people usually find out they cant have kids AFTER getting married.
i more think the child will be confused, embarrassed and tortured while growing up...maybe more incline to have gay tendencies because he is not exposed to masculine things...like when going through puberty....who does he ask for advice?....a woman pretending to be a man.....the child will ask the "man"....."how will u know what i am going through or feeling...you were NEVER a man!!"
UML wrote:for all the people who cudnt care less or dont give a fcuk or a rats ass or not bothered.......one question.......do u have kids?
im guessing u dont
and if u do, how do u explain to your kids that this is normal or not?
Daran wrote:UML wrote:pete wrote:If marriage is for procreation and raising a family then people who aren't able to have children should not get married?
Why can't a gay couple adopt, have a surrogate child etc? Or do you think a gay couple will molest the child or force them to become gay?
people usually find out they cant have kids AFTER getting married.
i more think the child will be confused, embarrassed and tortured while growing up...maybe more incline to have gay tendencies because he is not exposed to masculine things...like when going through puberty....who does he ask for advice?....a woman pretending to be a man.....the child will ask the "man"....."how will u know what i am going through or feeling...you were NEVER a man!!"
The child will only be embarrassed if people continue to have these prehistoric views toward gays.
U rel digging deep for some counter points. Let me try to help you out there.
You're saying a child in a lesbian or gay home won't have proper role models. That's correct to an extent, but 30% of children already grow up in single parents homes. Having two parents, whether they're of the same sex is still better than one. Especially as they'd be better off financially as well.
Again, being exposed to gays doesn't make you gay. Really, UML you keep rehashing that point. Were you groped and have recurring fantasies of it?
Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
TRAE wrote:marriage is between man and woman... being gay is a defect... if yuh want to marry anyone yuh want then we hadda say that its legal to marry underage kids as well as there should be nothing illegal about any sex fetishes
Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
RASC wrote:Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
Is it possible for you to expand on this "evil".
Thanks
mitsu_chick941 wrote:thread just got deep
Why do people see the need to impose their opinions on others?
Everyone has a right to his or her thoughts....coming on tuner to vent serves no purpose because discussions on each individual's beliefs and opinions never change! You can't make people believe what you do or think how you think. Give it a rest people, look at the Religion thread. Mods might have to delete other threads to accomodate it!
Everyone thinks they are right!
mitsu_chick941 wrote:thread just got deep
Why do people see the need to impose their opinions on others?
Everyone has a right to his or her thoughts....coming on tuner to vent serves no purpose because discussions on each individual's beliefs and opinions never change! You can't make people believe what you do or think how you think. Give it a rest people, look at the Religion thread. Mods might have to delete other threads to accomodate it!
Everyone thinks they are right!
Daran wrote:mitsu_chick941 wrote:thread just got deep
Why do people see the need to impose their opinions on others?
Everyone has a right to his or her thoughts....coming on tuner to vent serves no purpose because discussions on each individual's beliefs and opinions never change! You can't make people believe what you do or think how you think. Give it a rest people, look at the Religion thread. Mods might have to delete other threads to accomodate it!
Everyone thinks they are right!
I totally disagree. Sometimes people have to stand up for what's right. Otherwise, africans would still be enslaved and women unable to vote.
Daran wrote:RASC wrote:Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
Is it possible for you to expand on this "evil".
Thanks
Yes I fully believe some if not most gays were born that way. There is a lot of research (genetics and psychological) to support this, although the root cause is still too complicated to pin point just yet.
If this is so, why has it not been taught in the world top medical schools? If you are BORN a certain way, there has to be a scientific reasoning behind such not so? This would delve into the realm of actual medical science and not social science, thus it can be proven without a doubt with science.
The evil I see is how some of these gays are treated by so called moral and religious persons. They are derogatory, treat them with disgust and make them feel like outcasts.
What are you basing "evil" upon...as in what gradient are you using to decipher what is evil or not? Just curious...
It's extremely sad to see someone you love (friend or sibling) go through this. They don't choose to be this way. Why would they? Most wish they could be normal.
Most gay persons wish to be straight? Interesting...this is new. Studies show this?
It isn't something that can be cured by a priets or therapy, I don't believe anyone really has been 'cured'.
If people were less ignorant about this then I wouldn't need to make a stance on this issue.
mitsu_chick941 wrote:^^^^you tooDaran wrote:mitsu_chick941 wrote:thread just got deep
Why do people see the need to impose their opinions on others?
Everyone has a right to his or her thoughts....coming on tuner to vent serves no purpose because discussions on each individual's beliefs and opinions never change! You can't make people believe what you do or think how you think. Give it a rest people, look at the Religion thread. Mods might have to delete other threads to accomodate it!
Everyone thinks they are right!
I totally disagree. Sometimes people have to stand up for what's right. Otherwise, africans would still be enslaved and women unable to vote.
oh i didnt go that deep......i was mainly referring to here on tuner and each individual's right to their own opinion.
RASC wrote:Daran wrote:RASC wrote:Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
Is it possible for you to expand on this "evil".
Thanks
Yes I fully believe some if not most gays were born that way. There is a lot of research (genetics and psychological) to support this, although the root cause is still too complicated to pin point just yet.
If this is so, why has it not been taught in the world top medical schools? If you are BORN a certain way, there has to be a scientific reasoning behind such not so? This would delve into the realm of actual medical science and not social science, thus it can be proven without a doubt with science.
Conclusive evidence has not yet been found but already scientists are seeing differences in gay to straight brain structure. Also, a heap load of certain genes are found to be more prevalent in gays etc. One day it will be proven. Give it time.
The evil I see is how some of these gays are treated by so called moral and religious persons. They are derogatory, treat them with disgust and make them feel like outcasts.
What are you basing "evil" upon...as in what gradient are you using to decipher what is evil or not? Just curious...
So simple. Judging and demeaning someone who you don't know just because you're aware of their gayness is just plain wrong and evil. I've seen gays being bullied, insulted, sometimes had violence inflicted upon them by people who should know better.
It's extremely sad to see someone you love (friend or sibling) go through this. They don't choose to be this way. Why would they? Most wish they could be normal.
Most gay persons wish to be straight? Interesting...this is new. Studies show this?
Every gay person I know at one point wished they could be straight. It takes them years to accept themselves if they ever do.
It isn't something that can be cured by a priets or therapy, I don't believe anyone really has been 'cured'.
If people were less ignorant about this then I wouldn't need to make a stance on this issue.
RASC wrote:Well even on this scale, the place would be EXTREMELY boring and you wouldnt want to be here. The mere fact that ppl are different, and you are allowed to argue your point makes it interesting.
Daran wrote:RASC wrote:Daran wrote:RASC wrote:Daran wrote:I'm not gay, but I have a lot of close friends who are and I feel it's my duty to stand up for them from evil in the society.
Is it possible for you to expand on this "evil".
Thanks
Yes I fully believe some if not most gays were born that way. There is a lot of research (genetics and psychological) to support this, although the root cause is still too complicated to pin point just yet.
If this is so, why has it not been taught in the world top medical schools? If you are BORN a certain way, there has to be a scientific reasoning behind such not so? This would delve into the realm of actual medical science and not social science, thus it can be proven without a doubt with science.
Conclusive evidence has not been found but differences in gay to straight brain structure has been found. A heap load of certain genes are found to be more prevalent in gays etc. One it will be proven. Give it time.
The evil I see is how some of these gays are treated by so called moral and religious persons. They are derogatory, treat them with disgust and make them feel like outcasts.
What are you basing "evil" upon...as in what gradient are you using to decipher what is evil or not? Just curious...
So simple. Judging and demeaning someone who you don't know just because you're aware of their gayness is evil. I've seen gays being bullied, insulted, sometimes had violence inflicted upon them by people who should know better.
It's extremely sad to see someone you love (friend or sibling) go through this. They don't choose to be this way. Why would they? Most wish they could be normal.
Most gay persons wish to be straight? Interesting...this is new. Studies show this?
Every gay person I know at one point wished they could be straight. It takes them years to accept themselves if they ever do.
It isn't something that can be cured by a priets or therapy, I don't believe anyone really has been 'cured'.
If people were less ignorant about this then I wouldn't need to make a stance on this issue.
Evil is the violation of, or intent to violate, some moral code.
Habit7 wrote:1. The Homosexual Lobby that is increasing in growth in our sweet land, on discussion on the topic wants religion to be removed from any reasoning. So someone's moral compass that is influenced by +2,000 year old book that has revolutionise the world and shaped our legal structure is nullified compared to someone whose moral compass is influenced by reruns of Will & Grace.
RASC wrote:Okay you're kinda missing me here...dig deeper.
DEFINE... "EVIL"
For you to describe something as EVIL or wrong, you have to base it against something. What are you personally basing the word EVIL on. What makes something EVIL?Evil is the violation of, or intent to violate, some moral code.
What is your moral code, that you are using to determine what these ppl who are doing this to Gay persons are evil. You catch me?
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