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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby SMc » July 5th, 2019, 1:51 pm

88sins wrote:A few tips for those that venture into the bush
1-Eyes on the ground, & be aware of the areas where you place your feet before you place them there at all times, especially when walking along trails with short shrubs on either side or among a lot of leaf litter.
2-A long staff with a fork on the end is a good thing to walk with, use it to check under shrubbery to see clearly whether or not a snake is there before stepping too close, or for moving the leaves from where you plan to step.
3-Learn to ID snakes by sight. Oftentimes when ppl get bitten, the snake then crawls away too quickly before it can be ID'd while the victim panics, and then the victim has no idea what snake bit them. This can lead to it's own set of problems, because when you arrive at hospital, administration of the wrong anti-venom can be either useless, or waste time leading to tissue decay & further spread of the venom thorough the body.
4-Very importantly, wear proper foot protection, such as snake boots or thick leather boots. Rubber boots will NOT stop a fang from penetrating if a snake strikes, nor will sneakers. If all you have are rubber boots, if you can, wrap the uprights in thick leather or any other material that can't be easily penetrated by a fang. Or even better invest in a good pair of snakeproof gaitors.
5-The rainy season is here, and sometimes venomous snakes do get washed out the forests into areas where ppl live, when forest rivers flood. If you see a snake, and you don't believe you can dispatch it without being bitten, it's best if you back away slowly while watching it, and warn others in the area of what it is, and where it is. In residential areas they tend to conceal themselves beneath galvanized sheets or inside the holes in blocks, anywhere that they can stay warm, in the dark, and dry. So keeping your yard free of debris & rubbish, that will also discourage their food source (rats) from your yard is particularly effective.


Hunting season is coming around again in a few months & plenty ppl going in the bush. Be careful fellas, in d bush & around your homes.


where you got that advice from?

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby vaiostation » July 5th, 2019, 7:21 pm

Use Black Disinfectant around your home.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 5th, 2019, 7:23 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Colorful


False one or no?

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby 88sins » July 5th, 2019, 8:07 pm

SMc wrote:where you got that advice from?


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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby maj. tom » July 5th, 2019, 8:15 pm

U.S. Wildlife Services and the U.S. Department of Agriculture recommend a mixture of cinnamon oil and clove oil as a snake repellant. Eugenol, which is a component of most essential oils is also an effective repellent.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby 88sins » July 5th, 2019, 10:58 pm

basically anything that has a strong smell unlike any scent the snake is used to can be used as a snake repellent. but just keep in mind they don't always work.
a small snake like a young mappepire looking for a place to escape the cold has no problem curling up inside yuh boots, toe jam or no toe jam :lol:

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby SMc » July 6th, 2019, 12:11 pm

88sins wrote:
SMc wrote:where you got that advice from?


life xp



Thanks-good to hear it wasn't a statement made by an official body as some of them recommendations are a bit off

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby Joshie23 » July 6th, 2019, 4:37 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Colorful


False one or no?


I don't think so nah..isn't the rhyme 'Red before yellow, a deadly fellow' or something? I stand to be corrected though.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby axe » July 6th, 2019, 5:01 pm

Red on yellow kill a fellow, white on black poison lack.

This is not applicable to our coral snakes as the large coral has variations in colour bands.

This was first developed to protect the california King snake which has similar colours to coral snakes.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 6th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Joshie23 wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Colorful


False one or no?


I don't think so nah..isn't the rhyme 'Red before yellow, a deadly fellow' or something? I stand to be corrected though.


Neighbor didnt let him live so long nah...the rhyme couldnt even start

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby nervewrecker » July 6th, 2019, 7:56 pm

The one I posted earlier has the same pattern.
ours look like our national flag.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby bluefete » July 6th, 2019, 8:03 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:ImageColorful


Allyuh going to see a snake like this and study nursery rhyme to determine if it is poisonous or not??????
Joshie23 wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Colorful


False one or no?


I don't think so nah..isn't the rhyme 'Red before yellow, a deadly fellow' or something? I stand to be corrected though.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby VII » July 6th, 2019, 8:10 pm

For the hundredth time those American summer camp rhymes would get you killed in Trinidad !!

That's a 'Trinidad Coral 'Murcurus cirilanis/'small coral snake'.. like the one suspected of killing the man in the outside shower a couple years ago after something bit him on his lil toe and he ignored it,went to hospital very sick next morning and it was roo late..

In this case 'Red touching white will kill Dwight..

The false one similar to this solid white bands are in the middle of black rings unlike this one where the black and white switch places..
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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby bluefete » July 6th, 2019, 8:15 pm

^^ Thank yuh! Blade first and asking questions later.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby VII » July 6th, 2019, 8:27 pm

The false one to the above,there are many false ones,some not really matching any of the real ones also,just don't pick them up unless you're sure and have a visual reference of the two deadly ones at hand..

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Real.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 6th, 2019, 8:32 pm

Idk bout allyuh...but when you see them kinda colors...first thing is to kill

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby VII » July 6th, 2019, 8:40 pm

Big coral..Micrurus Lemniscatus...in Guyana it's the 'Hymarali'..
Forget North American boy scout rhymes here ok..

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One of these killed two people sleeping in a shack on a Mayaro plantation in the 50's,one of only a few cases in the world of one snake killing two people..they were probably tossing and turning and brushing it away as it crawled on them in their sleep..they grow to 4 feet and a lil more..That's huge for a coral..they also like water so beware walking in water bare footed in and around streams etc..

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby VII » July 6th, 2019, 8:51 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Idk bout allyuh...but when you see them kinda colors...first thing is to kill


Caught one of the small ones in my house years ago,as my wife cleaned and my 2 y.o last son played she raised a mat to sweep and it was below, she secured our son and called me,caught it observed it for a bit,took pics and released it over the back wall..

Always knock out shoes and pants etc that was probably on your bedroom floor etc before putting them on..

And wherever there are 'ground puppies' there are small corals,and ground puppies are everywhere..lol..
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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby rspann » July 6th, 2019, 10:23 pm

Only nursery rhyme I believe in is " if you see a snake , use a Cutlass hoe or rake. Chop off the f ing head and doh even wait to see if it dead.'

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby 88sins » July 6th, 2019, 11:08 pm

do not cut off the head of any snake, venomous or not. and if you do anyway, it's then your obligation to securely dispose of the head.
A snakes head can remain active for a really long time after being severed from the body. Now imagine, after you chop the head off and leave it on the ground some curious child comes along and picks it up. Snake is distressed, so will bite, and has no body, so can't release as it want, so is full dose venom sharing. Even discarded fangs can be dangerous.
If you feel you absolutely must cut off a venomous snakes head, pick it up with a shovel, and proceed to burn it immediately, to ash if possible.

and feel free to not let the animal die in vain. If you're amenable to it and the body has a little size, you can cook it and eat it.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby bluefete » July 7th, 2019, 3:50 pm

88sins wrote:do not cut off the head of any snake, venomous or not. and if you do anyway, it's then your obligation to securely dispose of the head.
If you're amenable to it and the body has a little size, you can cook it and eat it.


Are you saying that it is okay to eat a poisonous snake??????????

Isn't that like eating sushi? You must know what you are doing.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby maj. tom » July 7th, 2019, 4:21 pm

well snakes aren't poisonous, or else yes, eating them would be a problem. They're venomous. Venom is nature's cocktail of enzymes (which are proteins) that are deadly if they enter the bloodstream before they're denatured. You can even eat/drink snake venom once you have no cuts in your mouth and stomach lining, but injecting it is bad. It really is a bit complicated if you go into deeper details about the structure and role of enzymes compared to poisons which are enzyme inhibitors (but can actually also be proteins!) And then a poison-arrow frog is poison, not venom, but if you touch it you still die.

I looked for some explanation, and I hope this video can help you understand:

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby 88sins » July 7th, 2019, 5:56 pm

maj. tom wrote:well snakes aren't poisonous, or else yes, eating them would be a problem. They're venomous. Venom is nature's cocktail of enzymes (which are proteins) that are deadly if they enter the bloodstream before they're denatured. You can even eat/drink snake venom once you have no cuts in your mouth and stomach lining, but injecting it is bad. It really is a bit complicated if you go into deeper details about the structure and role of enzymes compared to poisons which are enzyme inhibitors (but can actually also be proteins!) And then a poison-arrow frog is poison, not venom, but if you touch it you still die.

I looked for some explanation, and I hope this video can help you understand:


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additionally, most venomous snakes venom is generated and stored in two venom glands situated at the back of the head. once the head is intact when severed, the body is safe to eat.
boucaneer mappepire, smoked over a wood fire slow with a hint of fever grass and seasoned with level pepper and bandanya does taste like a slice of heaven. hadda kno how to prep it, but it bess

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby nervewrecker » July 7th, 2019, 10:05 pm

Thanks maj.tom I learning a lot today.

Saw one trying to cross the road outside vista park today. Kinda copper brown with a black head. Blocked the road to let the lil guy cross safely. Was about 2 feet long.

Any idea what type that was? Didnt get time to take a pic because people were getting slightly aggravated at me blocking the road to let a snake pass.

Scorpion venom for heart disease, means my heart good then. Collected a dose some years back. Woke my mom as it was about 4am. She asked if I feeling like it had any effect on me, I said no. She said good and went back to sleep. If it had to affect me it would already have done so. Seems you can build up a tolerance to that though. I know it affects my sister but she get stung so many times, the last time around she just proceeded to watch tv. Could be that she didn't get much venom last time around though.

I read that people have been bitten by rattlesnake heads long after they were cut off. Our mappapire is a cousin of the rattlesnake iirc, so i'd strongly advise against cutting off the head. Just let the animal be.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby Advent » July 8th, 2019, 8:49 am

nervewrecker wrote:Thanks maj.tom I learning a lot today.

Saw one trying to cross the road outside vista park today. Kinda copper brown with a black head. Blocked the road to let the lil guy cross safely. Was about 2 feet long.

Any idea what type that was? Didnt get time to take a pic because people were getting slightly aggravated at me blocking the road to let a snake pass.

Scorpion
venom for heart disease, means my heart good then. Collected a dose some years back. Woke my mom as it was about 4am. She asked if I feeling like it had any effect on me, I said no. She said good and went back to sleep. If it had to affect me it would already have done so. Seems you can build up a tolerance to that though. I know it affects my sister but she get stung so many times, the last time around she just proceeded to watch tv. Could be that she didn't get much venom last time around though.

I read that people have been bitten by rattlesnake heads long after they were cut off. Our mappapire is a cousin of the rattlesnake iirc, so i'd strongly advise against cutting off the head. Just let the animal be.


if i remember the bigger the scorpion the least lethal it is.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby axe » July 8th, 2019, 3:23 pm

True smaller scorpion spp are more venomous (not poisonous). Our real bad boy is Tityus trinitatis.... A small brown one... With fat tail which is a good indicator of venomous

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby pugboy » July 8th, 2019, 3:49 pm

Yeah I believe studies were done on this particular scorpion as it’s venom can cause diabetic complications
Not nice to be stuck with that after a lil sting

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby The Paleontologist » July 8th, 2019, 4:55 pm

I thought it was the size of their claws?
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nervewrecker wrote:Thanks maj.tom I learning a lot today.

Saw one trying to cross the road outside vista park today. Kinda copper brown with a black head. Blocked the road to let the lil guy cross safely. Was about 2 feet long.

Any idea what type that was? Didnt get time to take a pic because people were getting slightly aggravated at me blocking the road to let a snake pass.

Scorpion
venom for heart disease, means my heart good then. Collected a dose some years back. Woke my mom as it was about 4am. She asked if I feeling like it had any effect on me, I said no. She said good and went back to sleep. If it had to affect me it would already have done so. Seems you can build up a tolerance to that though. I know it affects my sister but she get stung so many times, the last time around she just proceeded to watch tv. Could be that she didn't get much venom last time around though.

I read that people have been bitten by rattlesnake heads long after they were cut off. Our mappapire is a cousin of the rattlesnake iirc, so i'd strongly advise against cutting off the head. Just let the animal be.


if i remember the bigger the scorpion the least lethal it is.

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby axe » July 8th, 2019, 7:43 pm

Well large claws go with thin tails... Weapon of choice of bigger species. Smaller species have weaker claws but the ones with fat tails are sure indicator of more venomous. Eg Indian red, Israeli deathstalker and Arabian fat tail.... Tityus would round it up...

Know a guy whom Tityus stung his wife... She then became a diabetic... It can cause acute pancreatitis

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Re: WTF - Snake!

Postby nervewrecker » July 8th, 2019, 9:55 pm

Was a small brown one that stung me.

I had a few medical exams done since, no sign of diabetes or anything.

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