Moderator: 3ne2nr Mods
rt wrote: Brazil’s Bolsonaro loosens gun laws in homicide-plagued nation
Published time: 15 Jan, 2019 17:25
Brazil’s new right-wing president has signed a decree that makes it easier for civilians to purchase firearms. Jair Bolsonaro believes it’s the answer to a rampant growth in violence.
Fighting violent crimes and loosening gun ownership laws to “guarantee self-defense” were some one of Bolsonaro’s key campaign promises. Brazil saw a record 63,800 homicides in 2017, the last year for which reliable statistics is available. About 43,000 of those were gun-related.
Read more
Bolsonaro says Brazil may host US base, calls Trump 'most powerful man in the world' Bolsonaro says Brazil may host US base, calls Trump 'most powerful man in the world'
The promised gun law change came short of a reform for now, with the decree temporarily scrapping the obligation for Brazilians to prove an “effective need” to own a firearm when purchasing one. Introduced in 2003 by President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the current strict gun ownership law also includes mandatory background checks, a 25-year age limit, being in employment and other requirements, which in practice Brazil has struggled to enforce. Bolsonaro, then a lawmaker, was among the vocal opponents of the law.
For the new Brazilian president, the decree allows congressional approval to be circumvented, but it’s said to be the first step to the promised liberal firearm ownership rules, favored by Bolsonaro’s supporters in gun and defense industries in Brazil.
Much like the NRA in the US, a country notorious for gun violence, he and his supporters argue that armed citizens would be able to fight back against armed gangs. Critics say giving more resources to the police would be a better option.
Known as a fervent gun supporter who often poses with finger guns, Bolsonaro has advised police to ‘shoot to kill’ when dealing with criminals and even promised to figuratively “machine gun” his opposition.
RedVEVO wrote:^^
Arms ?
Trini really cannot organize since there is no co-operation in anything serious - maybe if some $$$ pass - YES
We never had an armed conflict like USA's Civil War etc.
A crazy man tried . He got no co-operation .
We gave his an amnesty just for trying .
Go figure .
timelapse wrote:RedVEVO wrote:^^
Arms ?
Trini really cannot organize since there is no co-operation in anything serious - maybe if some $$$ pass - YES
We never had an armed conflict like USA's Civil War etc.
A crazy man tried . He got no co-operation .
We gave his an amnesty just for trying .
Go figure .
Another crazy man seems to be trying to and has a loyal following on tv..I just sayin
98.9fm wrote:Shooters Fled Second Mosque Attack As Good Guy With A Gun Returned Fire, Report Says
By Ryan Saavedra
@realsaavedra
March 15, 2019
An attack on a New Zealand mosque was reportedly stopped on Friday when a good guy with a gun fired at the attacker[s] causing them to flee the scene, according to local media.
The terrorist attack left 49 dead and dozens injured with at least 30 of the deaths coming from the Masjid Al Noor mosque and at least 10 more deaths coming from the Linwood Masjid Mosque.
The lower number of deaths at the Linwood Masjid Mosque may in part be attributable to a good guy with a gun stopping the shooting. The New Zealand Herald reports:
A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city.
One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.
Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.
A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.
He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".
"They were in a silver Subaru," he told police.
"Authorities said they had four people in custody — three men and one woman — but later clarified that only three were believed to have been involved in the violence," The Washington Post reported. "One man in his late 20s, whom the authorities declined to name, was charged with murder and was expected to appear in court on Saturday morning. The suspects had not been on security watch lists, officials said."
The terrorist livestreamed the horrifying attack on social media, which left tech companies scrambling to remove the attack....
88sins wrote:i seriously doubt that the NRA has any involvement in that incident. and i don't doubt it,
shogun wrote:^Not seeing anything corroborating that "good guy with a gun" story though?
Also, this made no sense, "A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off."
Hopefully it's not US pro-NRA, propaganda to help further their cause.
‘Hero’ Tackled Christchurch Mosque Shooter and Grabbed His Gun
By Tom Ozimek
March 15, 2019 Updated: March 15, 2019
Share
A survivor of the shooting at one of the mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch on March 15 has described how his friend risked his life to tackle the gunman and wrestle away his weapon.
Syed Mazharuddin told the New Zealand Herald he witnessed the attack.
“There was screaming around and I tried to take cover,” he said.
Mazharuddin told the Herald that barely had he managed to take cover when the gunman made his way through the main entrance door of the Linwood mosque.
The mosque in the neighborhood of Linwood was the second location targeted by the gunman in Friday’s mass shooting spree that left at least 49 dead.
New-Zealand-Mass-shooting
Emergency services personnel push stretchers carrying a person into a hospital, after reports that several shots had been fired, in central Christchurch, New Zealand on March 15, 2019. (TVNZ via Reuters TV)
‘He Just Started Shooting at Them’
Mazharuddin said as soon as the gunman entered the mosque, he started firing wildly.
“Just around the entrance door there were elderly people sitting there praying and he just started shooting at them.”
He said at one point one of his acquaintances tried to tackle the shooter, who was dressed in body armor.
“The young guy who usually takes care of the mosque … he saw an opportunity and pounced on [the gunman] and took his gun,” Mazharuddin said.
“The hero tried to chase and he couldn’t find the trigger in the gun … he ran behind him but there were people waiting for him in the car and he fled.”
law enforcement confronts citizen
A member of the AOS (Armed Offenders Squad) stands ready following a shooting at the Al Noor mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand, on March 15, 2019. (Reuters/SNPA/Martin Hunter)
Armed Congregant Fired on Gunman
An armed congregant chased after and fired twice at the gunman, the New Zealand Herald reported.
The man—identified only as a well-known area resident and a Muslim—left the scene of the Linwood mosque when gunfire broke out before returning with a firearm to engage the gunman.
He reportedly fired two rounds at the shooter as he sped off in a getaway vehicle.
“They were in a silver Subaru,” the man told police.
The armed congregation member reportedly told the authorities he was firing in “self defense.”
sMASH wrote:Two separate persons. The Muslim with the gun, went away when he heard the initial gunshots, collected a gun and returned in time to get two shots at the terrorist that was already fleeing,on foot/in car .
Imagine if he was already there on site with his firearm... didn't have to leave, get it, then return
sMASH wrote:no civilians with guns resulted in 41 deaths. but one civilian with a gun toll only resulted in 7.
88sins wrote:might be the last resort but still a better option than waiting for an evil ahole to deposit lead pills in one's cranium
Redman wrote:The NRA doesn't need this NZ issue to bolster the argument of an armed, AND PREPARED person being able to help... There are sufficient examples in the US....
Redman wrote:This is 2019.
ALL places of worship should have had discussions and made some pre emptive and reactive plan for this type of incident.
88sins wrote:problem with religious perspectives
it nearly impossible to preach peace, love, and compassion and get the peons to follow blindly when you have personnel dressed in tactical gear with body armor with ar15's and glocks
Redman wrote:88sins wrote:problem with religious perspectives
it nearly impossible to preach peace, love, and compassion and get the peons to follow blindly when you have personnel dressed in tactical gear with body armor with ar15's and glocks
Rather extreme imagery.
Alert guards outside co ordinated with an emergency lock down plan and radios would have done quite a bit in this instance.
rspann wrote:Redman wrote:88sins wrote:problem with religious perspectives
it nearly impossible to preach peace, love, and compassion and get the peons to follow blindly when you have personnel dressed in tactical gear with body armor with ar15's and glocks
Rather extreme imagery.
Alert guards outside co ordinated with an emergency lock down plan and radios would have done quite a bit in this instance.
I know someone who attends church with his firearm safely tucked away in his waist.
Redman wrote:@shogun....
My point was that the benefit of having armed citizens who are able and willing to respond to a mass shooting attempt...is already proven in the US.
I could care less who wrote the article,and whether he is an activist or not...there is a ton of fake news out there...you should know that before you get worked up.
As I posted above before you edited your last post...its 2019 and as such we need to adapt to the world as it is.
Redman wrote:@shogun....
My point was that the benefit of having armed citizens who are able and willing to respond to a mass shooting attempt...is already proven in the US.
Redman wrote:I could care less who wrote the article,and whether he is an activist or not...there is a ton of fake news out there...you should know that before you get worked up.
Redman wrote:As I posted above before you edited your last post...its 2019 and as such we need to adapt to the world as it is.
shogun wrote:Redman wrote:@shogun....
My point was that the benefit of having armed citizens who are able and willing to respond to a mass shooting attempt...is already proven in the US.Redman wrote:As I posted above before you edited your last post...its 2019 and as such we need to adapt to the world as it is.
I don't agree with that strategy, because the end result only looks more and more dire for society at large. Fundamental direction change is needed to change peoples attitude towards guns. The current attitude only seems to be breeding stockpilers, nuts and fanatics.
The bar needs to be higher with regards to who is allowed to take on the responsibility of owning firearms.
Return to “Ole talk and more Ole talk”
Users browsing this forum: Duane 3NE 2NR, Google [Bot], SLVR1, st7 and 79 guests