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rollingstock wrote:Slippery slope that, if they are deemed unqualified to investigate the veracity of simple e-mails, how can they then continue to operate and investigate crimes committed against citizens?
BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:Habit7 wrote:It seems like the general public, the DPP, Dana Sitahal, Martin Daly, Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, and quite possibly every special interest group is calling for an international, independent investigation. Why isn't the gov't listening?
It is not just that we believe the police is incompetent, we just do not want a reason for the outcome to be claimed by either party to be tainted with political influence.
Rowley can't make irresponsible statements like he doesn't 'trust' the Asst. COP. Then goes on to give an entirely one sided version of a conversation he allegedly had with Richardson about the PM assassination plot, in which he makes the Asst. COP not only look incompetent, but bumbling as well. A lot of people who should know better are casually besmirching people's name without a shred of evidence. I have lost much of the respect I had for Dana Seetahal, and now Martin Daly, who are now blatantly saying that the COP cannot be impartial because he was appointed by the Government.
Who says they don't have a shred of evidence, a lot of people are privy to information that they can't/won't speak about in the open, more so politicians. People can behave and speak according to what they know, consciously or unconsciously, without letting everyone else know why they are behaving the way they are, he may have very good information to make what you call an irresponsible statement, that is, until you have the info he has
You're kidding right? Politicians have slandered more people under the guise of parliamentary privilege than you can count. Copy and paste email whose veracity cannot be ascertained is not evidence. Saying that you don't trust the Police to investigate is also irresponsible as they are the body entrusted with that responsibility whether Rowley likes that or not. The Police can bring in an independent body of their choosing if they lack the wherewithal to investigate this matter.
You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
You'd have us believe that you were some sort of crusader for justice, when all it appears that you have to offer is vague suppositions and your word that there is a concerted suppression of information. Typed pages purporting to be e mails is NOT evidence. Only after it has been verified as authentic is it considered evidence. There is sanitization and spin placed on information no doubt, but don't make it sound as if you have some great insight into these things when it is common knowledge.
BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
You'd have us believe that you were some sort of crusader for justice, when all it appears that you have to offer is vague suppositions and your word that there is a concerted suppression of information. Typed pages purporting to be e mails is NOT evidence. Only after it has been verified as authentic is it considered evidence. There is sanitization and spin placed on information no doubt, but don't make it sound as if you have some great insight into these things when it is common knowledge.
Crusader of Justice, I don't see where you got that from, but then again, I am not responsible for what you comprehend.
Secondly what have you offered thus far, the revelation that the emails are not evidence, many in here would agree, but where do we go from here, those "typed pages purporting to be emails" show intent and planning of an actual event that took place, but it seems you would shred the "typed pages" and send everyone home to watch the reruns of The Walking Dead. Out here in the real world, this has to be investigated.
You are up in arms because Rowley because and a couple others are not willing to trust the police with this investigation (what are you the crusader of there?), well if you would think back past the last nine days, I don't see how you can be willing to trust them either, things cannot always be broken down for your comfort, you must be able to take what is known and deduce the rest, but again, if up to you, we would leave this investigation in the hands of those that found a way to "spoil" blood samples, smh
Allyuh good oui
De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
You'd have us believe that you were some sort of crusader for justice, when all it appears that you have to offer is vague suppositions and your word that there is a concerted suppression of information. Typed pages purporting to be e mails is NOT evidence. Only after it has been verified as authentic is it considered evidence. There is sanitization and spin placed on information no doubt, but don't make it sound as if you have some great insight into these things when it is common knowledge.
Crusader of Justice, I don't see where you got that from, but then again, I am not responsible for what you comprehend.
Secondly what have you offered thus far, the revelation that the emails are not evidence, many in here would agree, but where do we go from here, those "typed pages purporting to be emails" show intent and planning of an actual event that took place, but it seems you would shred the "typed pages" and send everyone home to watch the reruns of The Walking Dead. Out here in the real world, this has to be investigated.
You are up in arms because Rowley because and a couple others are not willing to trust the police with this investigation (what are you the crusader of there?), well if you would think back past the last nine days, I don't see how you can be willing to trust them either, things cannot always be broken down for your comfort, you must be able to take what is known and deduce the rest, but again, if up to you, we would leave this investigation in the hands of those that found a way to "spoil" blood samples, smh
Allyuh good oui
You rush to cast the Government in a light of mistrust, but yet you blindly gobble up Rowley's version of events? Also, by your logic the entire Police force should be disbanded since they seem not capable of investigating anything. All too casually we cast aspersions on people's character without thought or care, thereby demoralising an already demoralised service.
BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
You'd have us believe that you were some sort of crusader for justice, when all it appears that you have to offer is vague suppositions and your word that there is a concerted suppression of information. Typed pages purporting to be e mails is NOT evidence. Only after it has been verified as authentic is it considered evidence. There is sanitization and spin placed on information no doubt, but don't make it sound as if you have some great insight into these things when it is common knowledge.
Crusader of Justice, I don't see where you got that from, but then again, I am not responsible for what you comprehend.
Secondly what have you offered thus far, the revelation that the emails are not evidence, many in here would agree, but where do we go from here, those "typed pages purporting to be emails" show intent and planning of an actual event that took place, but it seems you would shred the "typed pages" and send everyone home to watch the reruns of The Walking Dead. Out here in the real world, this has to be investigated.
You are up in arms because Rowley because and a couple others are not willing to trust the police with this investigation (what are you the crusader of there?), well if you would think back past the last nine days, I don't see how you can be willing to trust them either, things cannot always be broken down for your comfort, you must be able to take what is known and deduce the rest, but again, if up to you, we would leave this investigation in the hands of those that found a way to "spoil" blood samples, smh
Allyuh good oui
You rush to cast the Government in a light of mistrust, but yet you blindly gobble up Rowley's version of events? Also, by your logic the entire Police force should be disbanded since they seem not capable of investigating anything. All too casually we cast aspersions on people's character without thought or care, thereby demoralising an already demoralised service.
So you think that they are not demoralised by the fact the the corrupt around them is responsible for ruining the reputation of all, have you worked among them, heard them speak?
You claim that I rushed to cast the government in the light of mistrust, that made me laugh out loud, it was all done by Volney, lololol
Me, blindly gobble up Rowley's version of events, the DPP has gone on record, also calling for foreign consultation, I guess he Gobbled it up also, if up to you, the police would handle this case through n through, the "typed pages" would have been shredded and forgotten, and Section 34 would be forgotten with Volney being the mastermind behind it all, but yes, I am blindly gobbling, well yesss, take win
While you studying that is the emails are not evidence, study the evidence for the SOE and the assassination plot, 9 day mentality is real out here with you guys
De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:De Dragon wrote:BrandoHD wrote:You guys living in a dream world, here in Trinidad, information is suppressed, outcomes of cases have been controlled, and there are only a few who go against the grain and try to uphold the absolute letter of the law, and they have also been put under pressure to look the other way on multiple occasions. If you don't want to accept that, no problem, but this is a fact.
And here you are claiming the emails are not evidence, what was Rowley supposed to do with it, shred it and forget it, you're the sort that we don't want as any part of the investigation, because when one sets out with their result already in mind, they would work hard to make it come through. And as I said before, these guys are privy to information that you do not have, obviously, because if you had the information, you wouldn't trust the ACP ever, of this I am sure.
Funny thing is, you guys won't even trust the police to investigate the robbery of your own home, but ready to drop this case in their hands, no caveats, lol.
You'd have us believe that you were some sort of crusader for justice, when all it appears that you have to offer is vague suppositions and your word that there is a concerted suppression of information. Typed pages purporting to be e mails is NOT evidence. Only after it has been verified as authentic is it considered evidence. There is sanitization and spin placed on information no doubt, but don't make it sound as if you have some great insight into these things when it is common knowledge.
Crusader of Justice, I don't see where you got that from, but then again, I am not responsible for what you comprehend.
Secondly what have you offered thus far, the revelation that the emails are not evidence, many in here would agree, but where do we go from here, those "typed pages purporting to be emails" show intent and planning of an actual event that took place, but it seems you would shred the "typed pages" and send everyone home to watch the reruns of The Walking Dead. Out here in the real world, this has to be investigated.
You are up in arms because Rowley because and a couple others are not willing to trust the police with this investigation (what are you the crusader of there?), well if you would think back past the last nine days, I don't see how you can be willing to trust them either, things cannot always be broken down for your comfort, you must be able to take what is known and deduce the rest, but again, if up to you, we would leave this investigation in the hands of those that found a way to "spoil" blood samples, smh
Allyuh good oui
You rush to cast the Government in a light of mistrust, but yet you blindly gobble up Rowley's version of events? Also, by your logic the entire Police force should be disbanded since they seem not capable of investigating anything. All too casually we cast aspersions on people's character without thought or care, thereby demoralising an already demoralised service.
So you think that they are not demoralised by the fact the the corrupt around them is responsible for ruining the reputation of all, have you worked among them, heard them speak?
You claim that I rushed to cast the government in the light of mistrust, that made me laugh out loud, it was all done by Volney, lololol
Me, blindly gobble up Rowley's version of events, the DPP has gone on record, also calling for foreign consultation, I guess he Gobbled it up also, if up to you, the police would handle this case through n through, the "typed pages" would have been shredded and forgotten, and Section 34 would be forgotten with Volney being the mastermind behind it all, but yes, I am blindly gobbling, well yesss, take win
While you studying that is the emails are not evidence, study the evidence for the SOE and the assassination plot, 9 day mentality is real out here with you guys
Now you need to point out exactly where I advocate shredding and forgetting the 'evidence'. Volney? Please! Volney kept his trap shut all this time until he was fired, now you seek credibility for a man with a Paul Bunyan sized axe to grind? Also didn't Volney himself admit that he was mainly responsible for the Section 34 fiasco? I'm sorry but you are either blinded by your hate of the Government, or your adulation for the Opposition Leader. Either one smacks of the worst naivety that I've seen on these forums for quite some time.
RedTiger wrote:" Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams told the T&T Guardian the police Cyber-Crime Unit which is over six years old, comprised people who had been trained in the US, UK, Korea and other parts of the world. "
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-05- ... s-will-be-‘thoroughly-investigated’
ru$$ell wrote:RedTiger wrote:" Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams told the T&T Guardian the police Cyber-Crime Unit which is over six years old, comprised people who had been trained in the US, UK, Korea and other parts of the world. "
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-05- ... s-will-be-‘thoroughly-investigated’
i call BS on this
rollingstock wrote:ru$$ell wrote:RedTiger wrote:" Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams told the T&T Guardian the police Cyber-Crime Unit which is over six years old, comprised people who had been trained in the US, UK, Korea and other parts of the world. "
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-05- ... s-will-be-‘thoroughly-investigated’
i call BS on this
You would be surprised about their training.
Integrity Commission - We can probe e-mails
By Multimedia Desk
Story Created: Jun 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM ECT
Story Updated: Jun 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM ECT
THE Integrity Commission yesterday issued a statement disclosing that it had obtained a legal opinion which advised that the IC has the power to investigate the e-mail allegations raised in Parliament by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley.
However, the Commission noted that no decisions could only be taken until Commissioners were appointed by President Anthony Carmona.
The following is the statement -
The Integrity Commission of Trinidad and Tobago wishes to inform that, based on public statements and matters raised relative to copies of electronic mails forwarded for authentication to the Commission’s Chairman by the then President of the Republic, advice was requested from Senior Counsel as to whether those matters can be investigated by the Commission under the provisions of the Integrity in Public Life (IPLA) Act, Chapter 22:01.
The Senior Counsel has advised that the Commission indeed has the jurisdiction to consider and enquire matters where there have been breaches of the IPLA and where an offence has been committed under the Prevention of Corruption Act.
Senior Counsel’s advice was concluded as follows:
“It is clear from the above provisions and in particular section 138(d) of the Constitution and section 5(e) and (f) and section 33(a) of the Act read together with section 24(1) and (2), section 27(1) and section 29(1) of the Act that the Commission is vested with jurisdiction to investigate the matters raised in the purported e-mails to determine whether the conduct of any person who falls under the purview of the Commission is dishonest, corrupt or conducive to corruption.
“The Commission also has the jurisdiction to consider and enquire whether there have been breaches of the Act (which would include breaches of the Code of Ethics) or whether an offence has been committed under the Prevention of Corruption Act, Chap. 11:11. Of that there can be no doubt.
“It is now public knowledge that the purported e-mails are currently the subject of a police investigation which is being monitored by the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions. It is entirely a matter for the Commission to determine whether, notwithstanding the police investigation, it wishes to exercise its own jurisdiction under the Act to carry out its own investigations utilizing its powers under the Act to determine whether the purported emails disclose dishonest or corrupt conduct, conduct conducive to corruption or breaches of the Act on the part of persons in public life or persons who fall under the purview of the Commission. It should be noted that by section 5(2) (b) of the Act, the Commission may at any time make use of the services of the police if it considers it appropriate to do so. It should further be noted that by section 34 (7), if after an investigation has been conducted, the Commission is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that an offence has been committed, it is required to make a report to the Director of Public Prosecutions who may take such action as he thinks appropriate and by section 31(3), it shall report to the Director of Public Prosecutions any breach of the Code of Conduct by a Member of Parliament.”
It should be noted that no decision can be taken by the Integrity Commission until a full Commission is appointed by His Excellency the President of the Republic and a quorum exists.’
rollingstock wrote:ru$$ell wrote:RedTiger wrote:" Acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams told the T&T Guardian the police Cyber-Crime Unit which is over six years old, comprised people who had been trained in the US, UK, Korea and other parts of the world. "
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-05- ... s-will-be-‘thoroughly-investigated’
i call BS on this
You would be surprised about their training.
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