ISIS in T&T?

RBphoto · Postby **RBphoto** » November 17th, 2015, 2:23 pm

Putting aside IS/ moral justification of joining IS, is it legal for Trinidadians to go to a foreign country, be hired as a SOF/ Mercenary, kill allied soldiers, then come back here without repercussions because it was an act of war and not murder of a foreign national?

Just asking if any of you legal heads can shed some light.

Postby **Duane 3NE 2NR** » November 17th, 2015, 2:28 pm

RBphoto wrote:Putting aside IS/ moral justification of joining IS, is it legal for Trinidadians to go to a foreign country, be hired as a SOF/ Mercenary, kill allied soldiers, then come back here without repercussions because it was an act of war and not murder of a foreign national?

Just asking if any of you legal heads can shed some light.

there is evidence of the specific individual doing this? or a speculation because some of the members of a group he was in contact with may have done those things?

RBphoto · Postby **RBphoto** » November 17th, 2015, 3:35 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
RBphoto wrote:Putting aside IS/ moral justification of joining IS, is it legal for Trinidadians to go to a foreign country, be hired as a SOF/ Mercenary, kill allied soldiers, then come back here without repercussions because it was an act of war and not murder of a foreign national?

Just asking if any of you legal heads can shed some light.
there is evidence of the specific individual doing this? or a speculation because some of the members of a group he was in contact with may have done those things?

Sorry, let me put in plain inglish

Sum fackers from Trini decided to go and join IS (I presume this is a fact from the video). Let us say they get what they wish for and shoot an American, Russian, Local civilian, or Syrian troop MC. They suddenly realize that bomb raining on them or they have a change of heart because raping young girls is just not their thing. Would we be able to prosecute them upon return to Trinidad?

Postby **Duane 3NE 2NR** » November 17th, 2015, 3:50 pm

RBphoto wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
RBphoto wrote:Putting aside IS/ moral justification of joining IS, is it legal for Trinidadians to go to a foreign country, be hired as a SOF/ Mercenary, kill allied soldiers, then come back here without repercussions because it was an act of war and not murder of a foreign national?

Just asking if any of you legal heads can shed some light.
there is evidence of the specific individual doing this? or a speculation because some of the members of a group he was in contact with may have done those things?

Sorry, let me put in plain inglish

Sum fackers from Trini decided to go and join IS (I presume this is a fact from the video). Let us say they get what they wish for and shoot an American, Russian, Local civilian, or Syrian troop MC. They suddenly realize that bomb raining on them or they have a change of heart because raping young girls is just not their thing. Would we be able to prosecute them upon return to Trinidad?

and I'm saying the only evidence you have there is "Sum fackers from Trini decided to go and join IS".

j.o.e · Postby **j.o.e** » November 17th, 2015, 4:58 pm

Sad how many tuners over simplify the world. Swear they live in a cartoon

Cantmis · Postby **Cantmis** » November 17th, 2015, 5:11 pm

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian

Numb3r4 · Postby **Numb3r4** » November 17th, 2015, 5:16 pm

^^^Someone quoted Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic.

If that is the case we need a Zayne Carrick.

bluesclues · Postby **bluesclues** » November 17th, 2015, 6:09 pm

j.o.e wrote:
cornfused wrote:How does a TnT national wanting to join ISIS get the funding for the ticket and travel money ?

Who is purchasing tickets for those areas and who is paying ?

As said before legislation could be developed to stop such members from entering TnT.

Good luck framing that legislation...even UN would not support a law which denies a person entry to their home country based on their affiliation or perceived affiliation with an organization....and if you think about it that is a very slippery slope.

that wasnt exile i was talking about. that was straight legal phrasing to justify 'detention' upon arriving after we have yuh on video partying with isis.

zoom rader · Postby **zoom rader** » November 17th, 2015, 7:04 pm

Best to send these returning Trini ISIS clowns to Nelson Island

1UZFE · Postby **1UZFE** » November 17th, 2015, 7:21 pm

zoom rader wrote:Best to send these returning Trini ISIS clowns to Beethem Gardens

konartis · Postby **konartis** » November 17th, 2015, 8:06 pm

zoom rader wrote:Best to send these returning Trini ISIS clowns to Nelson Island

Really?? I say kill them and their siblings who came back with them....those nasty goat fackers

Redman · Postby **Redman** » November 17th, 2015, 9:25 pm

IN what condition are these fellas likely to be in when they come back?

It eh like it have a tour of duty and then they roster out.

And if they as fanatical as people think..they will stay there to fight.

If they back here they either injured or realize Isis ain't for them.

Premchand1976 · Postby **Premchand1976** » November 17th, 2015, 10:20 pm

Or they could return to team up, initiate or enforce action o.b.o. ISIS here locally ?????

Redman · Postby **Redman** » November 18th, 2015, 6:58 am

It was a serious q

And yes they are sending people back to start up.something..whether that makes sense here is a discussion.

88sins · Postby **88sins** » November 18th, 2015, 12:59 pm

RBphoto wrote:Putting aside IS/ moral justification of joining IS, is it legal for Trinidadians to go to a foreign country, be hired as a SOF/ Mercenary, kill allied soldiers, then come back here without repercussions because it was an act of war and not murder of a foreign national?

Just asking if any of you legal heads can shed some light.

this is extremely difficult to do, because very often it's impossible to verify precisely what they did & to whom and where unless they are arrested & convicted by authorities there.
Additionally, it could be argued such a move would be an attempt breaching the rights of individuals without just cause should a gov't try to prosecute a person for what they think/know he has done when he did nothing wrong in his country. we simply have no legal precedents on this, & gov't would most likely adopt one from a nation that does.

You cannot lock up a man in T&T as punishment for murder in the US., he will have to face his justice where he committed his crime.
wrt a person perceived to be involved in activity becoming of an international war criminal, those are best left to the ICC

Chimera · Postby **Chimera** » November 18th, 2015, 1:32 pm

Redman wrote:It was a serious q

And yes they are sending people back to start up.something..whether that makes sense here is a discussion.

I think it would make sense. Ent kamla jump out she self and say we in the fight against isis. A few bombs down here and isis will show all the small countries not to mess with them.

kalashnikov · Postby **kalashnikov** » November 18th, 2015, 1:52 pm

DFC wrote:in another thread i told you who the guy was.

He's originally from barrackpore.
Went pakistan to "study" a few years ago.

From pakistan he moved to afghanistan, then syria.

He is on the terrorist watch list.

cant say anymore .

Heard of this :shock:

Pm info

Daran · Postby **Daran** » November 18th, 2015, 2:19 pm

I've got friends who have also been panhandling around the Middle East. Pretty sure they're up to no good since they've got no job, yet always in expensive hotels.

These same idiots always ranting and raving about Palestine.

Just like the idiotic #blacklivesmatter movement, they're too privileged to actually help real suffering Muslims.

One of my closest friends is an Indian-born Muslim with lots of family in Lebanon and he is routinely disgusted by the hypocritical selfish nature of other ME Muslims and how little they care. He's strongly pro-West (at least most of Europe and Obama), and always says despite the damage they've done, they truly want to help the disadvantaged Muslims as opposed to Saudi, UAE and others.

DurzoBlint1 · Postby **DurzoBlint1** » November 18th, 2015, 2:33 pm

You know, understandably what ISIS is doing is just plain wrong. No one would support or condone their actions. But we should not forget that in the not too distant past two world wars were fought. Now no one called the germans terrorists for persecuting the jews. No, as a matter of fact the jews and germans act like nothing happened and today its dust under the carpet. No one called America terrorists when they tried to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs. Yes, the Japanese and americans are good buddies today. But one small lil group in Syria causin a lil trouble and all dem big countries is pals and buddies after dey try to kill each other. It jus goes to show how corrupt they are. And I ent even reach d part with the humanitarian crisi in Somalia and war torn Africa where Europe suck all d money from dem. And for those in the forum who may think I am being biased, why America and dey allies doh try to alleviate poverty and AIDS in india instead ah wasting money on WAR.

Daran · Postby **Daran** » November 18th, 2015, 2:43 pm

DurzoBlint1 wrote:You know, understandably what ISIS is doing is just plain wrong. No one would support or condone their actions. But we should not forget that in the not too distant past two world wars were fought. Now no one called the germans terrorists for persecuting the jews. No, as a matter of fact the jews and germans act like nothing happened and today its dust under the carpet. No one called America terrorists when they tried to blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs. Yes, the Japanese and americans are good buddies today. But one small lil group in Syria causin a lil trouble and all dem big countries is pals and buddies after dey try to kill each other. It jus goes to show how corrupt they are. And I ent even reach d part with the humanitarian crisi in Somalia and war torn Africa where Europe suck all d money from dem. And for those in the forum who may think I am being biased, why America and dey allies doh try to alleviate poverty and AIDS in india instead ah wasting money on WAR.

Because you fail to understand what the word terrorism means. You have a warped conspiracy-laden view of the world. No one claims or diminishes the atrocities of those WW2 events, or going back further, Slavery and the American Indian genocide. However, the west has evolved and has mostly (to an extent) made things right. Are they perfect? No, because unrestricted capitalism has prompted a different kind of slavery and inequality. Which is why I state the Republican party of the US is another great evil.

The difference with that small little group on Syria is that they are using a broken religion like Islam, to spread a dangerous ideology throughout the world. This makes the lives of law-abiding Muslims difficult, makes the world view them with skepticism and fear and leads to the alienation of the broad group of the Muslims/Arabs.

People like you are exactly why ISIS has support.

Postby **Duane 3NE 2NR** » December 5th, 2015, 12:46 am

ISIS fighters are coming back home according to UK security experts

streetbeastINC. · Postby **streetbeastINC.** » December 6th, 2015, 10:30 pm

Isis discussion on ibn with bakr was just on....

shogun · Postby **shogun** » December 6th, 2015, 11:06 pm

Redman wrote:IN what condition are these fellas likely to be in when they come back?

It eh like it have a tour of duty and then they roster out.

And if they as fanatical as people think..they will stay there to fight.

If they back here they either injured or realize Isis ain't for them.

ISIS has realized the increased visibility that comes with "outsourcing" their activities to foreign soil, so that seems to be a huge part of their MO.

Lots will be injured or killed, but their recruitment tactics seemed to have struck a nerve with alienated, disenfranchised young Muslims globally... and there doesn't seem to be any shortage of those. Some might change their minds, once faced with the reality of what the group stands for, but many are completely brainwashed and fully believe what they are doing is divinely endorsed, so ANY home country of ISIS fighters NEEDS to be prepared for attacks on home soil. Young, militant, men and women with an oppression complex, is never a recipe for peace.

Numb3r4 · Postby **Numb3r4** » December 6th, 2015, 11:32 pm

streetbeastINC. wrote:Isis discussion on ibn with bakr was just on....

He seems to think that because colonial powers of long ago subjugated folks it is alright for it to be done now.

Redman · Postby **Redman** » December 7th, 2015, 6:06 am

shogun wrote:
Redman wrote:IN what condition are these fellas likely to be in when they come back?

It eh like it have a tour of duty and then they roster out.

And if they as fanatical as people think..they will stay there to fight.

If they back here they either injured or realize Isis ain't for them.

ISIS has realized the increased visibility that comes with "outsourcing" their activities to foreign soil, so that seems to be a huge part of their MO.

Lots will be injured or killed, but their recruitment tactics seemed to have struck a nerve with alienated, disenfranchised young Muslims globally... and there doesn't seem to be any shortage of those. Some might change their minds, once faced with the reality of what the group stands for, but many are completely brainwashed and fully believe what they are doing is divinely endorsed, so ANY home country of ISIS fighters NEEDS to be prepared for attacks on home soil. Young, militant, men and women with an oppression complex, is never a recipe for peace.

I read somewhere that the jihadi rule book is that it's a fight till you win or you dead, or can't fight.

Are they sending people back as a strategy?

1UZFE · Postby **1UZFE** » December 7th, 2015, 8:37 am

Aint it hav ISIS in Carapichima?

York · Postby **York** » December 7th, 2015, 9:41 am

streetbeastINC. wrote:Isis discussion on ibn with bakr was just on....

didn't see it. He still with he "black man being oppressed" vibes...hence his connection with Nation of Islam, deviated group from 'merica!

York · Postby **York** » December 7th, 2015, 9:42 am

1UZFE wrote:Aint it hav ISIS in Carapichima?

no but it have 2 new roads thru d bush. One to Miracle Ministries and the other to Exchange / close to d heliport.

Plus is only Tabligh and ASJA muslims dong dere...

Numb3r4 · Postby **Numb3r4** » December 7th, 2015, 11:31 am

There was a report on Crimewatch where some folks said that men were roaming the village harassing the folks, they claimed they were ISIS. Could some one confirm.