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Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby 2WNBoost » January 18th, 2015, 8:35 pm

http://7online.com/travel/jetblue-fligh ... rt/479757/

Updated 1 hr 6 mins ago
NEW YORK (WABC) -- Imagine taking off in a plane at full speed to all of a sudden have it stop just as quickly. That is what happened to passengers aboard JetBlue flight 1295 as it took off from JFK Airport Saturday night on its way to Austin, Texas.

"We were heading full speed down the runway, and the plane came to a screeching stop," says passenger Brandon Card.

Caribbean Airlines Flight 526 was right in the path of JetBlue's plane

"The people came on the intercom and said 'yeah, we almost collided with another plane," said passenger Krista Hollis, "when they said that collision would have been inevitable if we hadn't braked, I was like, 'what?!'"

Radio transmissions between the tower and both planes show the tower contacted the Caribbean Airline pilot at least twice with no answer. There were tense moments as the JetBlue pilot aborted his takeoff moments before a potential deadly disaster could have taken place.

Aviation expert JP Tristani tells Eyewitness News that the Caribbean plane should not have been on the runway.

"No aircraft that is taxiing has the right of way without clearance from the ground operator," Tristani said.

Passengers aboard the JetBlue flight eventually made it to Austin, Texas, several hours late, but more than happy to be safe.

"They gave us a hundred dollar voucher, we had beer and wine and whatever we wanted on the plane," added passenger Anna Greenwood, "free movies - it was fine, they took good care of us."

JetBlue says that Caribbean Airlines was NOT authorized to cross the runway at the time.

JetBlue is not sure how close the two aircrafts got to each other.

No one was hurt.
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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby K74T » January 18th, 2015, 8:41 pm

Well yes...wonder which CAL pilot is that?

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby ismithx » January 18th, 2015, 9:12 pm

hmmm.... i wanna know what comes of this incident

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby whyteliver » January 18th, 2015, 9:49 pm

sheit happens like every day in states....seriously

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Gasmonkey » January 18th, 2015, 10:11 pm

Question is Why didnt the CAL pilot Respond to the tower

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby xtech » January 18th, 2015, 11:06 pm

^^^ call waiting? They should of left a voicemail

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Postby kurpal_v2 » January 19th, 2015, 1:08 am

Gasmonkey wrote:Question is Why didnt the CAL pilot Respond to the tower




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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby 2WNBoost » January 19th, 2015, 4:30 am

http://www.caribbean-airlines.com/index ... -incursion

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CARIBBEAN AIRLINES – COMMITTED TO SAFETY AND SECURITY - INVESTIGATES ALLEGED RUNWAY INCURSION
Port-of-Spain,Monday, 19 January 2015 00:40
Caribbean Airlines through our sustained efforts is committed to the safety and security of all passengers. We are concerned to hear of an alleged incident highlighted on internet news sites regarding JetBlue 1295, and BW flight 526 on Saturday night (17th January) at JFK airport, New York.
Caribbean Airlines takes allegations of this type very seriously, and is committed to working with the industry authorities to investigate all the facts. We are in the process of investigating and compiling the facts surrounding this allegation in cooperation with all Regulator agencies.
In the interim – Caribbean Airlines is complying with all incident management procedures included within its Safety Management System and adjunct regulations.
About Caribbean Airlines: Founded in 2007, employs approximately 1600 personnel, operates 22 aircraft with over 600 weekly flights into the Caribbean, North and South American and the UK. It is a member of the International Air Transport Association (IATA).

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby zoom rader » January 19th, 2015, 7:11 am

Awaits obeah PNM believing tuners to say it's PP fault.

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Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby xtech » January 19th, 2015, 7:22 am

Just thank god it was not the other way around. Cause Trini pilot won't have hit full reverse thrust button. Is horn... Lights.... A fancy drive to escape Then explosions death an then Caribbean airlines will say the other plane was wrong to be on runway

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby 2WNBoost » January 19th, 2015, 7:41 am

JFK ATC recording (Jump to 20:00)
CAL contacts tower at 24:36
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11lbu6TaF_E[/youtube]

Story Update:
CAL was on the wrong frequency

http://7online.com/travel/jetblue-flight-stops-short-during-takeoff-at-kennedy-airport/479757/

Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:35PM
NEW YORK (WABC) -- Having been given a clearance, a passenger-packed JetBlue flight 1295 headed full throttle down JFK's runway. At about the same time, Caribbean Airways Flight 526 had just landed. Air Traffic Control gave it instructions to hold short, meaning to stop before crossing the active runway.

The Caribbean Pilot never answered because as Eyewitness News has learned, he was on the wrong frequency and never heard tower instructions to stop, nor repeated calls from the tower.

Flight 526 rolled across the runway as the JetBlue plane neared take-off speeds. Fortunately, the JetBlue pilots saw the other plane crossing in the night and slammed on their brakes.

"It's about as bad as it can get without having two planes collide," said former commercial airline pilot Bob Ober.

Bob Ober spent decades as an airline pilot and flew in and out of JFK hundreds of times.

"In just a matter of two to three seconds, that plane would have been at a speed where it could not have stopped," Ober adds.

The FAA says the planes never came within 2,800 feet of each other, which is not that much space when one plane is going 130 miles per hour.

"We were headed full steam down the runway, and the plane came to a screeching stop," said passenger Brandon Card.

"When they said a collision was inevitable if pilot hadn't braked, I said 'WHAT?!'" adds passenger Krista Hollis.

Eyewitness News has learned that JFK was scheduled to get a new runway lighting system that would help prevent through flashing red lights, this exact kind of close call. Red in-pavement lights illuminate when it is not safe to enter or cross the runway.

Airport sources tell Eyewitness News that the FAA has not even begun to install the safety lights - a year overdue.

"Ninety percent of these things can be eliminated with technology," says Ober, "you spend the money and do it right, there's no reason for a delay in doing this."

9 airports including Dulles Airport in Washington D.C. have the safety lights installed on the runway. JFK, LaGuardia and Newark are all waiting for the safety lights to be installed.
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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby maj. tom » January 19th, 2015, 7:55 am

wrong frequency? pilot eh go over the checklist? he will have to answer to the man.

But you know, these machines have pretty advanced systems now; you would think that they should have linkup with the tower and safety programming to avoid this automatically.

Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Habit7 » January 19th, 2015, 8:23 am

maj. tom wrote:wrong frequency? pilot eh go over the checklist? he will have to answer to the man.

But you know, these machines have pretty advanced systems now; you would think that they should have linkup with the tower and safety programming to avoid this automatically.

Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
This is not an issue with the checklist. His frequency would have been on the tower to give him clearance to land on his final approach, about 5miles out. Sometime between then and him leaving the runway the radio frequency was changed.

There can only be a change in frequency after an affirmative hand off. It wouldn't be long before him hailing on anew frequency that they inform him that there wasn't a hand off.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby DFC » January 19th, 2015, 8:49 am

braking harshly at such a speed (with load) will def cause some wear on jetblue plane.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby antlind » January 19th, 2015, 9:20 am

Saw this story on CNNs website. They claim the planes were 1/2 mile apart. Some scary shite.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Phone Surgeon » January 19th, 2015, 9:37 am

damn

if wasn't for jetblue pilots it would have been a set of casualties there

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby silent_riot » January 19th, 2015, 9:49 am

Did the pilots pull blade for each other?

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Habit7 » January 19th, 2015, 10:08 am

CAL pilots still learning this big airport thing. They only know runway and taxiway or land on the runway, spin around and come down the opposite way.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby zoom rader » January 19th, 2015, 10:47 am

Habit7 wrote:CAL pilots still learning this big airport thing. They only know runway and taxiway or land on the runway, spin around and come down the opposite way.


Well blame the PNM for that, BWIA never had those issues and landed at Heathrow, JFK with no problems.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby A172 » January 19th, 2015, 10:51 am

rell pilots on tuner jed

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby pete » January 19th, 2015, 11:02 am

Meanwhile the US news reports are saying that JFK was supposed to upgrade their lighting so that when it is unsafe to cross the runway the lights would flash red to reduce the possibility of this type of error causing a collision.

Luckily nobody was harmed and hopefully the airline isn't penalized too severely.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Habit7 » January 19th, 2015, 11:40 am

zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:CAL pilots still learning this big airport thing. They only know runway and taxiway or land on the runway, spin around and come down the opposite way.


Well blame the PNM for that, BWIA never had those issues and landed at Heathrow, JFK with no problems.

http://www.compasscayman.com/caycompass ... ear-Miami/

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Single_Eight » January 19th, 2015, 12:59 pm

ahahaha thats the fly by night pilots CAL hire, restricted to only family members and political links. "westjet for me all the way" CAL just messed up.

start recruiting new pilots and staff "CEO"

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby zoom rader » January 19th, 2015, 1:01 pm

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:CAL pilots still learning this big airport thing. They only know runway and taxiway or land on the runway, spin around and come down the opposite way.


Well blame the PNM for that, BWIA never had those issues and landed at Heathrow, JFK with no problems.

http://www.compasscayman.com/caycompass ... ear-Miami/


Did u not read where I stated Heathrow and JFK.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Habit7 » January 19th, 2015, 1:46 pm

Pilot error is the number one cause of accidents, not a political party. You don't have to bring politics in everything ZR.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby desifemlove » January 19th, 2015, 1:57 pm

How dis CAL and ultimately UNC/Kamla's fault?

Ent JFK air traffic control supposed to manage this, and report on goings on in their vicinity? what about the other airliner? didn't they have radar too?

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby K74T » January 19th, 2015, 1:59 pm

Up, up and aware.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby Habit7 » January 19th, 2015, 2:03 pm

desifemlove wrote:Ent JFK air traffic control supposed to manage this, and report on goings on in their vicinity? what about the other airliner? didn't they have radar too?

Buddy, sit out this one.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby fouljuice » January 19th, 2015, 2:33 pm

He was on the wrong frequency because he musbe was trying to tune in to Boom Champions/Radio Jaagriti.

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Re: Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

Postby zoom rader » January 19th, 2015, 3:05 pm

Habit7 wrote:Pilot error is the number one cause of accidents, not a political party. You don't have to bring politics in everything ZR.


So where did all the skilled BWIA pilots go to when PNM got rid of BWIA.

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