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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 19th, 2016, 10:56 pm

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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Trump did not answer when asked if he would accept if he lost the election - that's concerning.

Cuz he's a spoil lil brat,wen things was goin his way n he was on top he dident have a problem wit d media


Exfcukinactly.

He's the serial whiner when things don't go his way

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 19th, 2016, 11:01 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Given how much voter fraud is happening and that has been uncovered in favor of democrats I am not surprised that he will not accept the results if he loses.
where are the statistics of this voter fraud?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » October 19th, 2016, 11:02 pm

Americans don't like upsetting the elections. That point does not sit well with them.

He scored points, looked better, was marginally better than her, put her in her place a couple of times, but avoided specifics on some policy which will be postmortemed tomorrow.

He did better than before, but not bigly. And soured his lead with the election acceptance.

I call it split,




Btw Hillary caught lying on the state again:
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » October 19th, 2016, 11:11 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Trump did not answer when asked if he would accept if he lost the election - that's concerning.

People have short memories. US elections were challenged b4 w/o ill effects. Remember the 2000 US elections Gore v Bush?

Trump iz smart 2 say 'we go hadda see'.

Gore to Contest Election Results
Lawyers for Democrat Al Gore said Thursday the vice president will contest the close presidential election results in at least one Florida county, and that he will not concede the election, even after the final state vote tally is certified on Sunday.

The announcement followed bad news for Gore from the Florida Supreme Court, which conferred by conference call on the Thanksgiving holiday, and unanimously denied Gore’s request to order the Miami-Dade County to resume hand counting of presidential ballots it abandoned on Wednesday.

Also late Thursday, the lawyers filed papers in the U.S. Supreme Court, asking the nation’s highest court to deny a request by Republican George W. Bush to bar any use of hand-counted presidential election ballots in the state.

The lawyers called Bush’s request a “bald attempt to federalize a state court dispute” and interfering in the Florida election.The Democratic filing claimed that Bush’s court brief contained false and “partisan accusations regarding the manner in which the Florida recount is proceeding.”

Gore, who spent Thanksgiving Day at home in Washington, had asked the state’s highest court in an emergency appeal to restart ballot counting in the county, which they said was “being frustrated by a deliberate campaign of delay and intimidation of local officials.”
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » October 19th, 2016, 11:17 pm

The party challenged the result, the candidate accepted it to promote harmony, Americans appreciate that nuance. The question was to the person of Donald trump, if HE would make trouble and cause upset.
Because Hillary already did accept the obama nomination, Bernie went along with the Hillary nomination. And they use it as a yard stick... for the candidate.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » October 19th, 2016, 11:19 pm

sMASH wrote:The party challenged the result, the candidate accepted it to promote harmony, Americans appreciate that nuance. The question was to the person of Donald trump, if HE would make trouble and cause upset.
Because Hillary already did accept the obama nomination, Bernie went along with the Hillary nomination. And they use it as a yard stick... for the candidate.


That's your interpretation. Mine iz he say he will wait and see.. When there izan outcome.

That's not a yes. Or a no. Thaz a better way 2 play it IMHO
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 19th, 2016, 11:20 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Given how much voter fraud is happening and that has been uncovered in favor of democrats I am not surprised that he will not accept the results if he loses.
where are the statistics of this voter fraud?


Virtually non-existent. You taking on ED?

Trump's accusation of a "rigged election" is something completely different and a lot more sinister, than voter fraud.

A rigged election would mean that the entire election process is somehow against him. That's a conspiracy theory of unimaginable proportions, that he's claiming. Insanity

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 19th, 2016, 11:26 pm

Miktay wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Trump did not answer when asked if he would accept if he lost the election - that's concerning.

People have short memories. US elections were challenged b4 w/o ill effects. Remember the 2000 US elections Gore v Bush?

Trump iz smart 2 say 'we go hadda see'.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude, you can't comprehend or what? That's completely different

That was a recount for a close count in Florida AFTER THE ELECTION. And once the recount was done Gore did concede

Trump is saying BEFORE the election is even held that he's not sure he'll concede gracefully
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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » October 19th, 2016, 11:26 pm

Miktay wrote:
sMASH wrote:The party challenged the result, the candidate accepted it to promote harmony, Americans appreciate that nuance. The question was to the person of Donald trump, if HE would make trouble and cause upset.
Because Hillary already did accept the obama nomination, Bernie went along with the Hillary nomination. And they use it as a yard stick... for the candidate.


That's your interpretation. Mine iz he say he will wait and see.. When there izan outcome.

That's not a yes. Or a no. Thaz a better way 2 play it IMHO

U watch news tomorrow and get feed back about how Americans feel about the situation.

But u already established u ain't dat perceptive.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby mitsutt » October 19th, 2016, 11:29 pm

President Clinton.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby desifemlove » October 19th, 2016, 11:35 pm

a tie, like the last one.

he's right on renegotiating NAFTA, not serving all countries, even Mexico.

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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » October 19th, 2016, 11:38 pm

shogun wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Given how much voter fraud is happening and that has been uncovered in favor of democrats I am not surprised that he will not accept the results if he loses.
where are the statistics of this voter fraud?


Virtually non-existent. You taking on ED?

Trump's accusation of a "rigged election" is something completely different and a lot more sinister, than voter fraud.

A rigged election would mean that the entire election process is somehow against him. That's a conspiracy theory of unimaginable proportions, that he's claiming. Insanity


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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » October 19th, 2016, 11:42 pm

sMASH wrote:
Miktay wrote:
sMASH wrote:The party challenged the result, the candidate accepted it to promote harmony, Americans appreciate that nuance. The question was to the person of Donald trump, if HE would make trouble and cause upset.
Because Hillary already did accept the obama nomination, Bernie went along with the Hillary nomination. And they use it as a yard stick... for the candidate.


That's your interpretation. Mine iz he say he will wait and see.. When there izan outcome.

That's not a yes. Or a no. Thaz a better way 2 play it IMHO

U watch news tomorrow and get feed back about how Americans feel about the situation.

But u already established u ain't dat perceptive.


I doh need 2b perceptive horse. Or watch the news tomorrow.

On Nov 9th it will be clear.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 19th, 2016, 11:43 pm

This was from the Washington Post in 2014 (long before the accusations of 2016)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... lots-cast/

there where just 31 instances of voter fraud out of a billion ballots cast over a decade and a half in the US.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » October 19th, 2016, 11:49 pm

He said voter fraud,,, he meant election fraud... excuse him, he says bigly.
But regardless, its Hillary. One of the most connected persons to ever contest that election. She can get things linked.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » October 20th, 2016, 12:02 am

^ Yeah when Trump is talking about voter fraud, he means the wikileaks, he talking about the general election. Like how they gave Hillary all the answers to the questions to the debates etc. Or how the hidden video footage shows the entire press conspires in secrecy to elect Hillary and do everything to make trump look bad, thats one of the most horrible things I have ever heard. You have any idea how bad that is? people put a certain amount of trust into journalists and established media houses to report the news. Now NY Times declaring their endorsement for Hillary is one thing thats bad but that could still get a pass.

But when you actually conspiring with the DNC and its campaign to do illegal things and break the law to make Trump look bad, paying people $1500 to go to Trump rally and punch people in the face. Thats some serious sheit... There were also cases of dead people voting etc though that is small.

But for Trump to admit everything is all fair and even would be silly. It would mean he is going against the Wikileaks which happens to be true.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby hydroep » October 20th, 2016, 8:35 am

I scored the topics as follows:

The 2nd Amendment - TIE
Open Borders - WINNER: Trump
Economy - TIE
Fitness to become President - WINNER: Clinton
Clinton Foundation - WINNER: Trump
Rigged Elections - TIE
Foreign Policy - TIE
National Debt - TIE


Having said that, moderator Chris Wallace impressed as impartial and kept the debaters in check...for the most part.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Dizzy28 » October 20th, 2016, 9:54 am

My support goes to Joe Exotic!!!!

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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby De Dragon » October 20th, 2016, 10:14 am

sMASH wrote:
Miktay wrote:
sMASH wrote:The party challenged the result, the candidate accepted it to promote harmony, Americans appreciate that nuance. The question was to the person of Donald trump, if HE would make trouble and cause upset.
Because Hillary already did accept the obama nomination, Bernie went along with the Hillary nomination. And they use it as a yard stick... for the candidate.


That's your interpretation. Mine iz he say he will wait and see.. When there izan outcome.

That's not a yes. Or a no. Thaz a better way 2 play it IMHO

U watch news tomorrow and get feed back about how Americans feel about the situation.

But u already established u ain't dat perceptive.

You notice how supporters of Trump an his vengeful, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, pro-gun, anti-abortion attitude are also PNM supporters. Look how many of those traits are exhibited by PNM high office holders. Coincidence?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby EmilioA » October 20th, 2016, 2:17 pm

The real question. Will McMullin take Utah ?

Evan McMullin, former Republican U.S. House staff member and independent presidential candidate, at 31% in Utah, with Donald Trump at 27% and Hillary Clinton at 24% according to Emerson College poll.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/track ... erson-poll


Or will Trump ignore the fact that he (trump) is a sheit candidate and claim voter fraud.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby RBphoto » October 20th, 2016, 3:01 pm

Any of you guys actually realize what happened in the last debate? I don't know if it was just me, but Trump seemed more composed and Hillary came off as a total beyotch. Essentially he let Hillary make herself into a bitter sarcasm machine, and he is like.. "OK.. take win you bullying psychopath woman". Though it would be considered a "Loss" in terms of a debate perspective, Trump actually came off as more human and restrained.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby daas » October 20th, 2016, 3:19 pm

^^Maybe for the first half hour or so but suddenly he lost it, started interrupting Clinton...'wrong...wrong', he lied about things that he said and did (like mocking a disabled person), first he said he respects women then calls his opposite presidential candidate a 'nasty woman' (and btw he is already struggling to win educated women voters). Oh and don't forget that little business about not willing to accept the elections results.

Trump isn't going to win Florida which he needs. In fact he is doing even worse that Romney at this point in 2012.

The way I see it, this race is Clinton's to lose. Barring any outrageous WikiLeaks leak, this election is signed, sealed, and delivered.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » October 20th, 2016, 3:34 pm

daas wrote:^^Maybe for the first half hour or so but suddenly he lost it, started interrupting Clinton...'wrong...wrong', he lied about things that he said and did (like mocking a disabled person), first he said he respects women then calls his opposite presidential candidate a 'nasty woman' (and btw he is already struggling to win educated women voters). Oh and don't forget that little business about not willing to accept the elections results.

Trump isn't going to win Florida which he needs. In fact he is doing even worse that Romney at this point in 2012.

The way I see it, this race is Clinton's to lose. Barring any outrageous WikiLeaks leak, this election is signed, sealed, and delivered.


Thats not what the candidate said. He said he will look at it (tell u) at the time.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby RBphoto » October 20th, 2016, 3:54 pm

daas wrote:^^Maybe for the first half hour or so


Ok.. did not pay too much attention after about 20 mins... lol.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 20th, 2016, 6:05 pm

hydroep wrote:I scored the topics as follows:

The 2nd Amendment - TIE


So, closing the loopholes that allow persons on the NO-FLY list to purchase firearms and also closing loopholes that allow persons to purchase firearms at gun shows and online, with no background checks, makes as much sense as no new legislation?

hydroep wrote:Open Borders - WINNER: Trump


She definitely wants to let in more immigrants, but she doesn't want "open borders"

The fact is though, there are less Mexicans going over the border than ever. In fact there are more going back to Mexico

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/m ... o-the-u-s/


hydroep wrote:Economy - TIE


You're saying that going back to "trickle down economics" of bigger tax cuts for the rich, ending the estate tax and basically the economic strategy of George W Bush/Republicans, is a "tie" with Obama's plan so far? (which is the foundation for Hillary's plan) And we haven't even begun to talk about paying for Trump's "wall" and how much it will cost. Especially since Mexico isn't paying for sh!t.

hydroep wrote:Fitness to become President - WINNER: Clinton


hydroep wrote:Clinton Foundation - WINNER: Trump


Really? The Clinton Foundation actually does good work and gets excellent ratings from the charity watchdogs, while the Trump Foundation is used by Trump to buy personal items and use to pay off fines and settle legal matters. Which is highly inappropriate, by the way. However I give this to Trump, only because of the perception that many have of the Clinton Foundation.

hydroep wrote:Rigged Elections - TIE


How is this a tie? Please explain?

hydroep wrote: Foreign Policy - TIE


Can't comment as Trump has YET to give any details as to what his plan is.

hydroep wrote:National Debt - TIE


Economists on all sides of the isle all agree his plan would balloon the Debt more than hers. A tie?... really?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 20th, 2016, 6:29 pm

RBphoto wrote:Any of you guys actually realize what happened in the last debate? I don't know if it was just me, but Trump seemed more composed and Hillary came off as a total beyotch. Essentially he let Hillary make herself into a bitter sarcasm machine, and he is like.. "OK.. take win you bullying psychopath woman". Though it would be considered a "Loss" in terms of a debate perspective, Trump actually came off as more human and restrained.


Trump was composed? What? So, him not going off on tangents about Rosie O'Donnell and ranting about 400lbs men on the internet, is where the bar is now?

Hillary came off as bitchy, bullying and "psychopathic?"

Trump was restrained? He called Hillary a "nasty woman" out of the blue, while she was answering a question, yet she's bitchy?. He invited Bill Clinton accusers to sit in the audience, while the Clinton campaign invited NONE of his accusers, because it's a Presidential debate, not a circus reality show.

I feel some tuners still have Kamla buyers remorse, yes. :lol:

RBphoto wrote:Ok.. did not pay too much attention after about 20 mins... lol.


Ah!!

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby redmanjp » October 20th, 2016, 8:40 pm

Clinton, Trump sit together for dinner


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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby shogun » October 20th, 2016, 10:38 pm

^Boy, moms just called and was complaining about Trump's comments during the dinner, yes

Apparently he went way over the line? and even got booed? Not surprised.

Kinda burnt out on Trump for a while so, didn't/couldn't watch.

More fun watching his supporters defend his constant indefensibility

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