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Re: Sandals Thread!

Postby The_Honourable » December 16th, 2018, 3:37 pm

Afra Raymond was at the Scarborough Public Library in Tobago on 13 December 2018 to speak on his successful Freedom of Information request to see the Memorandum of Understanding between the T&T government and the Sandals Group to develop and run a Sandal/Beaches resort in Tobago. His analysis of the MoU was discussed and Q&A followed.


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Postby RedVEVO » December 17th, 2018, 1:33 am

Sandals not coming to Tobago .

It's just communistic propaganda .

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Postby sMASH » January 15th, 2019, 1:26 pm

sandals, pack yuh bag an go!!

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 15th, 2019, 1:40 pm

Sandals has withdrawn from the Tobago project.

CEO Gebhard Rainer, in a press conference today, said the main reason for withdrawing was the negative publicity surrounding the project.

He said the Sandals team had been grateful for the unwavering support and transparency from the Government and from the Prime Minister.

"From the beginning there has never been a doubt about what the Prime Minister has been trying to do for the good of Trinidad and Tobago," Rainer said.

He said there would be no cost from Sandals that would be passed on to the TT Government as any cost they would have incurred from preliminary designs would be at Sandals' expense.

National Security Minister Stuart Young said a handful of people had tainted a global international brand and that was a sad and disappointing day.

This story will be updated.

https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/15/sandal ... o-project/

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Postby mazdatt » January 15th, 2019, 2:16 pm

Opposition and Afra Raymond to blame. Clearly, we have a lot or short sighted people in this country. Just a matter of time before multinational oil and gas companies like BP, Shell, BHP, Proman etc pull out since our energy sector is becoming less competitive as oil and gas runs out.

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Postby pugboy » January 15th, 2019, 2:17 pm

Boy I was now finalizing my kitchen equipment and tweaking my toolum and beneball recipes for the expected sales

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Postby toyolink » January 15th, 2019, 2:18 pm

Dear Sandals,
I am very sorry the very vociferous concerns raised by citizens of T&T about the project didn't meet with your approval.
We reserve whatever little rights we have to express our feelings and are not inclined to provide any apology.
Best wishes on all your future endeavours.

God Bless.

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Postby eliteauto » January 15th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Tobago's tourism sector need not worry, all those opposed to Sandals will now flock to Tobago to patronise the hotels and guesthouses and enjoy the pristine No man's Land beach and cove

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Postby pugboy » January 15th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Hope they get 40yr tax breaks in their next project wherever it is

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Postby sMASH » January 15th, 2019, 2:23 pm

where ever they going, going to build the complex from them too.

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Postby mazdatt » January 15th, 2019, 2:27 pm

PNM plan for diversification = Tourism (Sandals)
UNC plan for diversification = Agriculture (Bodi & Bagi production)

Hmmm... I wonder which one was better

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Postby pete » January 15th, 2019, 2:56 pm

eliteauto wrote:Tobago's tourism sector need not worry, all those opposed to Sandals will now flock to Tobago to patronise the hotels and guesthouses and enjoy the pristine No man's Land beach and cove


Yeah, when the ferries become more reliable.

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Postby pugboy » January 15th, 2019, 3:04 pm

How about starting by fixing the maracas facilities, toilets etc

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 15th, 2019, 3:06 pm

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2019, 4:28 pm

mazdatt wrote:PNM plan for diversification = Tourism (Sandals)
UNC plan for diversification = Agriculture (Bodi & Bagi production)

Hmmm... I wonder which one was better
Sandals is profit for the owners while employing nearly slave Labour . Sandals money goes abroad

Agriculture is money in the hands of farmers while feeding a nation Agri money stays in Trini.

Hmmm which will benefit the citizen

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Postby Dizzy28 » January 15th, 2019, 4:33 pm

Guess lots of you all happy

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Postby hydroep » January 15th, 2019, 4:37 pm

Kamla: Not surprised at Sandals pull-out
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THE Opposition Leader was not at all surprised by Sandals' withdrawal from its proposed project for Tobago, Kamla Persad-Bissessar told Newsday yesterday in her initial reaction.

At a briefing held by Minister of Communications Stuart Young at the Office of the Prime Minister, Sandals CEO Gebhard Rainer announced the pull-out.

Persad-Bissessar said, “I'm not surprised by this development, because all along this project has not had transparency, including the fact that there was no proper procurement.”

She said the project was merely based on conversations between Dr Rowley, initially as Opposition Leader and then as Prime Minister, and the Sandals executives.

“I don’t believe the reasoning given for pulling out," she added. "Minister Young said it was due to a handful of people, but if there were a transparent process, there would not have been all these questions for debate and this would not have happened.

“Further, the Sandals brand has received a lot of negative publicity in Antigua and St Lucia and other parts of the Caribbean.

“The reason Minister Young has given – negative publicity – is not the real reason.”


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/15/kamla-not-surprised-at-sandals-pull-out/

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Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2019, 5:53 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Guess lots of you all happy
Bago was saved from nearly slave Labour

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Postby Miktay » January 15th, 2019, 6:18 pm

Slave labor? Nobody forcing Bagonians to wuk...

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Postby bess almera » January 15th, 2019, 6:20 pm

How was it going to be slave labour??

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Postby The_Honourable » January 15th, 2019, 6:23 pm

LOL... it simple yuh know... Growlers, Youngings and Butch get ketch. Allyuh who vex eh mention the MOU yet.

- They wanted to keep that MOU and other future agreements under strict secrecy like Hyatt, Hilton and Magdalena while telling the public "they transparent".
- Afra Raymond gone to court for the MOU. The MOU was released to the public just before the judge rule.
- From the MOU, people realize Sandals was virtually putting nothing into the deal except the specs they want and running it for a few decades.
- We were going to give Sandals the land, building all structures with taxpayers money, and give tax concessions to a party who don't need it as they getting everything on a silver platter. A sweet deal is an understatement.
- If Butch REALLY wanted to come Tobago in the first place, he would have made a proposal to the government investing his company's money as part of the deal.
- It was very clear from the beginning Rowley needed Butch who don't need him. Butch realize the MOU (which his people probably put together) can't stand the scrutiny of the public, and since no ironclad agreement was ever signed, he pulled out easy.
- I'm pretty sure there is more to this pullout than "bad press".

All Growley had to do was go through proper procurement and do a request of proposals which would have gone out internationally. Prospect hoteliers would then submit proposals and we just choose the one with the best deal... but nah... he bypass procurement and gone to beg butch.
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Postby 88sins » January 15th, 2019, 6:37 pm

Need 250K to pay for a medical procedure to save the life of a child? nah, hard luck dey, all u can get is a paltry 60k

yet they hurry to build and gift a 2 billion dollar facility to sandals, a foreign entity that has the resources to build its own facilities here if they really wanted to.
a deal where only one party benefits at the expense of the other, isn't a deal. it's accepting and facilitating a parasite.

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Postby Rovin » January 15th, 2019, 7:04 pm

hmmm i really surprised sandals withdraw since rowdy & stewey seems hellbent on "doing something good for d country" whether we d citizens wanted it or not

i now watching stewey on tv , i find these days he sounding like a whiny lil beeyatch even more than usual

buh ent d country eh has no $$$ to buy ah nail since kamla dem did teef out d treasury - where was d funding coming from ? ....

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Postby ek4ever » January 15th, 2019, 7:05 pm

The_Honourable wrote:LOL... it simple yuh know... Growlers, Youngings and Butch get ketch. Allyuh who vex eh mention the MOU yet.

- They wanted to keep that MOU and other future agreements under strict secrecy like Hyatt, Hilton and Magdalena while telling the public "they transparent".
- Afra Raymond gone to court for the MOU. The MOU was released to the public just before the judge rule.
- From the MOU, people realize Sandals was virtually putting nothing into the deal except the specs they want and running it for a few decades.
- We were going to give Sandals the land, building all structures with taxpayers money, and give tax concessions to a party who don't need it as they getting everything on a silver platter. A sweet deal is an understatement.
- If Butch REALLY wanted to come Tobago in the first place, he would have made a proposal to the government investing his company's money as part of the deal.
- It was very clear from the beginning Rowley needed Butch who don't need him. Butch realize the MOU (which his people probably put together) can't stand the scrutiny of the public, and since no ironclad agreement was ever signed, he pulled out easy.
- I'm pretty sure there is more to this pullout than "bad press".

All Growley had to do was go through proper procurement and do a request of proposals which would have gone out internationally. Prospect hoteliers would then submit proposals and we just choose the one with the best deal... but nah... he bypass procurement and gone to beg butch.
Exactly. Only dotish PNM ppl eh realised that for Sandals to come to Trinidad we had to be giving even more concessions than top class tourist destinations like Jamaica and Barbados.

Sandals like the cruise ships... hardly any benefit for the local ppl. Sandals shuttle to and from the airport and everyone staying in the compound for the whole vacation.

Listen to the farmers in Jamaica who up to now complaining how little business they get from Sandals even after they invest in their farms. The only thing Sandals buying local is probably the coffee.

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 15th, 2019, 7:24 pm

ek4ever wrote:Exactly. Only dotish PNM ppl eh realised that for Sandals to come to Trinidad we had to be giving even more concessions than top class tourist destinations like Jamaica and Barbados...


careful..it had Dotish UNC/PP ppl who didn't realize it either.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby rspann » January 15th, 2019, 7:25 pm

What is the status of the ownership of the land? Is it in dispute ? Is it appealed and a ruling to be made soon?

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Postby The_Honourable » January 15th, 2019, 7:48 pm

rspann wrote:What is the status of the ownership of the land? Is it in dispute ? Is it appealed and a ruling to be made soon?


Not in dispute. It was originally in the hands of two subsidiaries of Colonial Life. As part of reducing clico's liabilities to the government by $175M (land value actually disputed to be 500M), the government moved the lands from clico into a state company called Golden-Grove Buccoo Ltd which went on to negotiate with Sandals.

I believe environmentalists are now looking into protecting the lands under the Ramsar Convention... essentially making the lands a "dud" for investment.

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Postby De Dragon » January 15th, 2019, 8:37 pm

The_Honourable wrote:LOL... it simple yuh know... Growlers, Youngings and Butch get ketch. Allyuh who vex eh mention the MOU yet.

- They wanted to keep that MOU and other future agreements under strict secrecy like Hyatt, Hilton and Magdalena while telling the public "they transparent".
- Afra Raymond gone to court for the MOU. The MOU was released to the public just before the judge rule.
- From the MOU, people realize Sandals was virtually putting nothing into the deal except the specs they want and running it for a few decades.
- We were going to give Sandals the land, building all structures with taxpayers money, and give tax concessions to a party who don't need it as they getting everything on a silver platter. A sweet deal is an understatement.
- If Butch REALLY wanted to come Tobago in the first place, he would have made a proposal to the government investing his company's money as part of the deal.
- It was very clear from the beginning Rowley needed Butch who don't need him. Butch realize the MOU (which his people probably put together) can't stand the scrutiny of the public, and since no ironclad agreement was ever signed, he pulled out easy.
- I'm pretty sure there is more to this pullout than "bad press".

All Growley had to do was go through proper procurement and do a request of proposals which would have gone out internationally. Prospect hoteliers would then submit proposals and we just choose the one with the best deal... but nah... he bypass procurement and gone to beg butch.

We're being chastised by Goebbels and Co. for refusing to be butt bulled for an entire generation? :lol: :lol: It appears that he feels everyone is like him and Arse-Wari. Love how JUHN Scarfy continues to let others break the sheit news to the public, then wheel in a few days to turn it into a blame UNC rant :lol:

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Re: Sandals Thread!

Postby 88sins » January 15th, 2019, 8:46 pm

Rovin's Audio wrote:hmmm i really surprised sandals withdraw since rowdy & stewey seems hellbent on "doing something good for d country" whether we d citizens wanted it or not

i now watching stewey on tv , i find these days he sounding like a whiny lil beeyatch even more than usual

buh ent d country eh has no $$$ to buy ah nail since kamla dem did teef out d treasury - where was d funding coming from ? ....


& it have police to write 10k-12k in tickets for ppl tint? and where u really feel the monies collected from vehicle inspections really going?
is you, me and everyone else was gonna finance that jackassness, all becuz chief toolum head and he minions so accustomed to giving the public the shaft that he decide to bring in outside help to shaft the taxpayer even more.

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