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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby pugboy » February 9th, 2017, 6:34 pm

Spann,

Varma not delivering small quantities so I went down and pickup with my van,
glad I did, very pleasant staff there

me and another guy framed up this in a few hours this afternoon, knowing how to weld is a god send

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rspann wrote:If you buy from Varma,free delivery next day. Tell the bosslady Spann sent you, you might even get to pay on delivery like I do.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby rspann » February 9th, 2017, 8:19 pm

Why you build the house upside down bro?

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby pugboy » February 9th, 2017, 8:35 pm

iPhone does mess up pics

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby fido » February 9th, 2017, 10:31 pm

Good luck brother and always remember to follow safety in everything you do. Your life and limb is priceless

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby dude2014 » February 10th, 2017, 9:51 pm

nos_specialist wrote:Progress made all 18 posts tied out

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Next move is to tie out piles


Looking good. remember the stirrups or links has to go all the way up the beam. Vertical reinforcement has to be restrained every 6" for two storey buildings. This is referred to as the shear reinforcement and is important/critical to resist shearing forces during an earthquake. This goes for the beams also.

Not long ago while stirups were necessary to hold the steel in place, recent development, new methods of analysing column and beam failure, is putting increasing scrutiny on designs, live load failures, etc.

Good job ...............

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Postby nos_specialist » February 10th, 2017, 10:22 pm

dude2014 wrote:
nos_specialist wrote:Progress made all 18 posts tied out

Image


Next move is to tie out piles


Looking good. remember the stirrups or links has to go all the way up the beam. Vertical reinforcement has to be restrained every 6" for two storey buildings. This is referred to as the shear reinforcement and is important/critical to resist shearing forces during an earthquake. This goes for the beams also.

Not long ago while stirups were necessary to hold the steel in place, recent development, new methods of analysing column and beam failure, is putting increasing scrutiny on designs, live load failures, etc.

Good job ...............

Yea the stirrups went up 11 ft there... however my spacing is 8 inches tho...

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby linton » February 12th, 2017, 10:56 am

Very good info here, I'll be starting a small house soon so the info is very useful.

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Re: RE: Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby dude2014 » February 13th, 2017, 2:16 pm

nos_specialist wrote:
dude2014 wrote:
nos_specialist wrote:Progress made all 18 posts tied out

Image


Next move is to tie out piles


Looking good. remember the stirrups or links has to go all the way up the beam. Vertical reinforcement has to be restrained every 6" for two storey buildings. This is referred to as the shear reinforcement and is important/critical to resist shearing forces during an earthquake. This goes for the beams also.

Not long ago while stirups were necessary to hold the steel in place, recent development, new methods of analysing column and beam failure, is putting increasing scrutiny on designs, live load failures, etc.

Good job ...............

Yea the stirrups went up 11 ft there... however my spacing is 8 inches tho...


The eight inches is not a worry. If the stirrups (binders/Links) are 10mm, cool, if 6mm, add one between the eight inches.
Generally 1/4 lgth of beam is critical.
So on a ten feet beam, the ends near the column for 2 1/2 ft is where you reinforce or put the links closer.

Bit busy otherwise I would have come out and help, no strings attached.
It would give me a chance to pass on some of what I have been trained to do.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby screwbash » February 16th, 2017, 6:12 am

is it better to bend your own stirrups or buy them in the hardware? How much stirrups will be needed for one column an for one beam coming out 2.5 feet over the beam?

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » February 16th, 2017, 6:23 am

One main thing to note when bending your own links/stirrups is the minimum pin diameter size that should be used in the jig that you are using to make the bends. This is very important as if you use too small a diameter, you can get stress cracks at the bends and the stirrups would not provide the required shear resistance in the structural element.

For mild steel (smooth bars) of diameter "d" 6mm to 16mm, the pin diameter should be 3d (that is, 18mm to 48mm depending on the bar diameter).

For high tensile steel (ribbed bars) of diameter "d" 6mm to 16mm, the pin diameter should be 4d (that is, 24mm to 64mm depending on the bar diameter).

For high tensile steel of diameter "d" 20mm and 25mm, the pin diameter should be 5d (that is, 100mm for 20mm rebar and 125mm for 25mm rebar).

For high tensile steel of diameter "d" 32mm and 40mm, the pin diameter should be 7d (that is, 224mm for 32mm rebar and 280mm for 40mm rebar).

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » February 16th, 2017, 6:29 am

screwbash wrote:is it better to bend your own stirrups or buy them in the hardware? How much stirrups will be needed for one column an for one beam coming out 2.5 feet over the beam?

For a house, the columns should be a minimum of 250mm x 250mm. The stirrups in this size column should be 6mm in diameter and installed at a spacing not exceeding 150mm centre-to-centre.

The stirrups in the beam would depend on the span and dimensions of the beam.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby bigtune123 » February 18th, 2017, 12:15 am

my little two cents. Please have a complete plan or idea as to how u want the completed structure to look like, cause sometime during the course of construction u might get a better idea which will change the finish product. try and do your complete foundation one time so when u out of the trench u out the trench. I don't know your skills level but please have someone very good at plastering your walls cause it hard to put in all that hard work and not get smooth walls and door frames installed properly . just know it is a lot of fun so try and enjoy the experience and take plenty of pics

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby INDAVID WORKSHOP » February 18th, 2017, 2:55 am

Most houses if you can afford I will suggest ground beam to be cast with the high available Newton strength concrete.

Considering walls and fixtures weight, tiles weight, roof weight, etc:

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby sMASH » February 19th, 2017, 8:42 pm

that pin diameter guide was some highly appreciated engineering stuff.
didn't know about the recomendations, but i know enough to avoid the fractures

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby DVSTT » February 19th, 2017, 9:16 pm

Is it cheaper to use those massive steel beams in place of the traditional concrete ones? Seems to me you'd save time and speed up the construction as an added benefit.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby rspann » February 19th, 2017, 9:24 pm

Less work intensive and faster to erect, costs a little cheaper too. I did five of them and they worked out easier and cheaper for me in the long run. I used traditional ply on four, and deck pan on one. Deck pan was a cost saver. Right now ,beams selling reasonable,so it's a good time if you plan to go that way.

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Postby rspann » February 19th, 2017, 9:32 pm

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No need for massive beams though.

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Postby DVSTT » February 19th, 2017, 9:36 pm

rspann wrote:Less work intensive and faster to erect, costs a little cheaper too. I did five of them and they worked out easier and cheaper for me in the long run. I used traditional ply on four, and deck pan on one. Deck pan was a cost saver. Right now ,beams selling reasonable,so it's a good time if you plan to go that way.


I'm far off from building a house LOL.
Deck pan replaces what? Bamboo and boxing board? I don't understand how it works out cheaper than the ply?

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby rspann » February 19th, 2017, 9:50 pm

Steel mat for floor slab, whalers, ply, bamboo, and all the associated labour costs. If you use ply, you have to sheet between the beams so it's more labour intensive in that way too.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby sMASH » February 20th, 2017, 7:39 am

so its just really the labor cost that makes the concrete more expensive than the steel beams?

if so, how do u erect/site/position the steel beams in order to secure them? i mean, they would be heavey, so i suspect some sort of hiab?

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby rspann » February 20th, 2017, 7:50 am

They erect a whole building for me in less than a day with the hiab, using four bolts per beam, next day they put on the rest and tightened. It takes less concrete because no beams, No steel in floor required, no 21 days wait to remove props and lots of other things.

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby Ted_v2 » February 20th, 2017, 11:40 am

Spann. What company you recommend? What was the platform they started on? They bolt to the ground?

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Postby nos_specialist » February 21st, 2017, 5:22 am

rspann wrote:They erect a whole building for me in less than a day with the hiab, using four bolts per beam, next day they put on the rest and tightened. It takes less concrete because no beams, No steel in floor required, no 21 days wait to remove props and lots of other things.


I am seeing they are resting Steel Beams on Concrete posts, and putting Deckpan on top of it. What is your view on this construction method?

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby rspann » February 21st, 2017, 6:44 pm

I see that already, but look at how they attached the beams to the top of the concrete columns. I saw people weld the beam to the steel from the columns and that is madness. I also saw buildings where all the beams were welded together, no plates and bolts.

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Postby matix » February 22nd, 2017, 11:57 am

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Postby supercharged turbo » February 22nd, 2017, 12:04 pm

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Re: My DIY house Build...

Postby - Rovin's car audio - » February 22nd, 2017, 12:10 pm

thats alot of work to tie all dem steel

i been around construction & it not easy , looks like ur going good so far ......

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Postby adnj » February 22nd, 2017, 3:16 pm

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