Anand Ramlogan arrested & charged/2nd case dropped/new civil case

[The_Honourable]

Anand detained by cops
...search warrant executed at home

Former attorney general Anand Ramlogan has been detained by police after an early morning search of his home this morning.

The Express has learned that at 6 a.m, 12 vehicles carrying police officers arrived at Ramlogan's home in Palmiste and executed a search warrant.

Ramlogan was then told he was a suspect in the investigation into an attempt to pervert the course of justice during his time as Attorney General and was detained by the officers.

Ramlogan has been taken to the police headquarters on Sackville Street, Port of Spain. He is there currently.

The Express was told that the search at the home was futile as officers left with no documents or papers, but they did seize Ramlogan's cell phone.

The Express has been informed that Ramlogan's lead attorney Pamela Elder S.C wrote to Deputy Commissioner of Police Harold Phillp just weeks ago, informing him that Ramlogan was available at any time for questioning.

His attorneys are expected to arrive at the Police HQ shortly. Opposition senator Gerald Ramdeen is already at the Police headquarters this morning.

Source: http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20170829 ... ed-by-cops

[Dizzy28]

TBH what were they expecting to find at his house almost 3 years since he was AG?

I can't imagine that a man involved in the justice system would willingly keep evidence for so long at his place of residence that may incriminate him later on in life.

[Redman]

on the flip side if they did not search the house.....you would complain about them not doing their job.

[TurboSingh12]

But why search Anand house alone. Search all of them.

[Dizzy28]

on the flip side if they did not search the house.....you would complain about them not doing their job.

Prhaps!!

[neilsingh100]

Police could have saved a trip and arrested Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen one time when they went to police headquarters.

[Cantmis]

He going to sue and get ah morney

[10-01]

was it a distraction to take the public eyes off these documents " ZONES OF SPECIAL OPERATION " ian leaked yesterday

ian allen page ^^^ for the rest of the docs ..

[Chimera]

this is a result of his alleged witness tampering all them months ago though

[Chimera]

but the timing is questionable

like rowley dem say "boy we getting catch with 2 much sheit this week....boat bacchanal....hunte bacchanal....lewwe do something 2 make sure they know UNC wasnt all that good either, pass for goatman"

[Dizzy28]

but the timing is questionable

like rowley dem say "boy we getting catch with 2 much sheit this week....boat bacchanal....hunte bacchanal....lewwe do something 2 make sure they know UNC wasnt all that good either, pass for goatman"

Yea. But the thing is they must have some level of intelligence/evidence before moving on the arrest so they are sitting on matters with the intent to move when convenient as opposed to actual justice.

[Chimera]

but the timing is questionable

like rowley dem say "boy we getting catch with 2 much sheit this week....boat bacchanal....hunte bacchanal....lewwe do something 2 make sure they know UNC wasnt all that good either, pass for goatman"

Yea. But the thing is they must have some level of intelligence/evidence before moving on the arrest so they are sitting on matters with the intent to move when convenient as opposed to actual justice.

nothing new there

ent Manning always maintained that he knew whom mr big is

ent Jack get firetruck up just before election when they realize he would be a threat to the PP?

[RedVEVO]

TBH what were they expecting to find at his house almost 3 years since he was AG?

I can't imagine that a man involved in the justice system would willingly keep evidence for so long at his place of residence that may incriminate him later on in life.

PNM distraction .

[16 cycles]

Gaspard concluded that "although there is evidence of inequality of treatment in the granting of a licence to Citadel Ltd, which is a breach of a constitutional right, this evidence does not meet the higher standard of proof required for proof of a criminal offence, which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt; nor is the evidence sufficient to prove all the different elements of the offence of misconduct/ misbehaviour in public office."



The information gathered during the probe, however, showed that the advice from the Telecommunications Division top officials was ignored, documents were deliberately altered and Citadel's application was "outside the usual procedure" before it was approved by Cabinet, according to the DPP's letter.

.....Misconduct in public office in contrast is a serious criminal offence, the proof of which requires cogent and compellable evidence,"

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DPP ... 96991.html

litmus test of standard of proof seems to be met in the case of A.Ramlogan

[Redman]

Allyuh realise that the mere fact that Allyuh calling something a distraction..recognising it as a distraction......defeats it as a distraction.

Just saying.

[moving]

at this rate, the pnm government needs a t least 1 distraction a week.

However, i doubt they would arrest a person like anand without concrete evidence
so it was probably a long time coming.

Its about time government officials are held accountable for their actions.

[Chimera]

at this rate, the pnm government needs a t least 1 distraction a week.

However, i doubt they would arrest a person like anand without concrete evidence
so it was probably a long time coming.

Its about time government officials are held accountable for their actions.

why not?
what is there to lose from arresting a wrong person?

only the taxpayers lose out in the resulting case years from now

[maj. tom]

yeah concrete evidence just like "anan@gmail.com"

[10-01]

[Redman]

but the timing is questionable

like rowley dem say "boy we getting catch with 2 much sheit this week....boat bacchanal....hunte bacchanal....lewwe do something 2 make sure they know UNC wasnt all that good either, pass for goatman"

Yea. But the thing is they must have some level of intelligence/evidence before moving on the arrest so they are sitting on matters with the intent to move when convenient as opposed to actual justice.

If it always have bacchanal....the timing will always be suspicious.

I have to believe that the TTPS has to have real cogent solid evidence to make this arrest.

They must know that unless this yields real relevant proportionate results before elections....they will lose votes where they need it.

[matix]

Ramlogan will sue.

[De Dragon]

12 vehicles? What did they think, that he had evidence carved on stone tablets? Or that he had a militia of Cumuto trained children like his kanthole successor?

[Chimera]

the questionable thing is, the man was genuinely abroad all the time and he wasn't hiding or evading arrest

why send 12 police vehicles to pick up a former AG/ present attorney/senior counsel

they could have politely requested he present himself to answer questions

[De Dragon]

the questionable thing is, the man was genuinely abroad all the time and he wasn't hiding or evading arrest

why send 12 police vehicles to pick up a former AG/ present attorney/senior counsel

they could have politely requested he present himself to answer questions

Definitely reeks of overkill, and an attempt to embarrass the former AG. Even the Express found out where he was, and spoke to him. Phillip and the entire TTPS couldn't do that?

[hong kong phooey]

lol
and while they were there arresting a man who would have come into the station on his own free will
3 policemen were beaten when trying to arrest a suspect

[RedVEVO]

the questionable thing is, the man was genuinely abroad all the time and he wasn't hiding or evading arrest

why send 12 police vehicles to pick up a former AG/ present attorney/senior counsel

they could have politely requested he present himself to answer questions

PNM & Rowley tactics ..

Embarrass and intimidate ..

[Monkey Man]

the questionable thing is, the man was genuinely abroad all the time and he wasn't hiding or evading arrest

why send 12 police vehicles to pick up a former AG/ present attorney/senior counsel

they could have politely requested he present himself to answer questions

Definitely reeks of overkill, and an attempt to embarrass the former AG. Even the Express found out where he was, and spoke to him. Phillip and the entire TTPS couldn't do that?

jus a ranking thing here.

these idiots really out to throw a impression on to the PNM population who are nothing but a bunch of jello headed brain deads.

this is moreee than enough fuel to spiral them into the blame game they constantly playing because the PMN simply does not have the mental capability combined to run a government.

certain persons should of remained in mason hall yes. they would have served the country better as a car washer or dvd hustler

[skylinechild]

Gaspard concluded that "although there is evidence of inequality of treatment in the granting of a licence to Citadel Ltd, which is a breach of a constitutional right, this evidence does not meet the higher standard of proof required for proof of a criminal offence, which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt; nor is the evidence sufficient to prove all the different elements of the offence of misconduct/ misbehaviour in public office."



The information gathered during the probe, however, showed that the advice from the Telecommunications Division top officials was ignored, documents were deliberately altered and Citadel's application was "outside the usual procedure" before it was approved by Cabinet, according to the DPP's letter.

.....Misconduct in public office in contrast is a serious criminal offence, the proof of which requires cogent and compellable evidence,"

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/DPP ... 96991.html

litmus test of standard of proof seems to be met in the case of A.Ramlogan

good link there bruh....and also a good read...

copy and pasta for the tuners who too lazy -

There is insufficient evidence to charge anyone with a criminal offence with respect to the granting of a radio broadcast licence to a company once owned by Port of Spain Mayor Louis Lee Sing.

This was the advice of Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard to the Integrity Commission last Friday based on the outcome of a criminal investigation into the award of the licence.

The Commission, between February 2008 and December 2010, had forwarded a confidential report and other supporting documents to Gaspard recommending a criminal probe against former prime minister Patrick Manning and former government minister Hedwidge Bereaux for misbehaviour in public office.

Gaspard on Friday also found insufficient evidence to support any criminal offence in the construction of a multi-million dollar church in the Heights of Guanapo, Arima, in which it was alleged Manning used his office to assist his one-time spiritual adviser, Juliana Pena, to fast-track the necessary approvals for the building.

In a 16-page document relating to the Citadel case, which has been obtained by the Express, Gaspard concluded that based on all the information before him it was not in the public interest to prefer criminal charges against Manning and Bereaux.

Among the factors the DPP took into account were the age of the matter and Manning's ill-health.

Both Manning and Bereaux were interviewed by the Integrity Commission's investigators, but according to the DPP, such evidence stood the risk of being omitted at a trial because neither of the men was cautioned before giving oral statements, which were recorded.

It was on the basis of a July 12, 2006 complaint filed by Secretary General of the Sanatan Dharma, Maha Sabha (SDMS), Satnarayan Maharaj, relating to the speedy award of a radio licence to Citadel Ltd—now owned by One Caribbean Media (the holding company of the Express),—and the failure of the State to treat with similar application by the SDMS fairly, that the Commission launched its investigation.

The SDMS had also initiated civil proceedings against the State, and the Privy Council ruled the organisation was a victim of discrimination. A radio licence was subsequently granted to the SDMS which operates Radio Jaagriti.

Gaspard concluded that "although there is evidence of inequality of treatment in the granting of a licence to Citadel Ltd, which is a breach of a constitutional right, this evidence does not meet the higher standard of proof required for proof of a criminal offence, which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt; nor is the evidence sufficient to prove all the different elements of the offence of misconduct/ misbehaviour in public office."

The information gathered during the probe, however, showed that the advice from the Telecommunications Division top officials was ignored, documents were deliberately altered and Citadel's application was "outside the usual procedure" before it was approved by Cabinet, according to the DPP's letter.

Lee Sing, a high-profile member of the People's National Movement, had entered into a business arrangement to use the frequency assigned to Tobago Broadcast Systems Ltd but when that deal went sour he turned to Bereaux for help.

Bereaux, on August 7, 2002, instructed his then permanent secretary Emmanuel George, (now Works and Infrastructure Minister) to prepare a Cabinet Note recommending Lee Sing be granted a radio broadcast licence, according to the summary of evidence gathered.

"There were a number of applications that preceded Citadel's and this could expose the ministry to civil litigation. The draft note was given to Minister Bereaux for approval. The minister made certain amendments, the most significant of which was to change the draft to now say that only one other application pre-dated-Citadel's, a statement which George said he knew to be untrue," the document said.

When George raised concerns about possible legal action being taken against the ministry, Bereaux told him Manning had said, "Don't bother with that, that will take years," the letter added.

Lee Sing had complained to Manning that the station was in imminent danger of being shut down. In turn, Manning, according to the letter, noted that Citadel was already an operating entity, distinguishing it from other pending applications, and was "minded to take out the licence for Mr Lee Sing and that is what made him do (what he did). He further stated that 'we happen to know Louis Lee Sing, we happen to know them, they are members of the PNM'".

Among the factors Manning said he considered was that "the Cabinet wished to prevent a situation where many people would lose their jobs."

"Despite the fact, therefore ,that the granting of the licence to Citadel in the circumstances that it was done amounted to inequality of treatment by a public authority this is not indicative of proof of criminal liability for misbehaviour/misconduct in public office where separate elements must be proved and proof must be beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Protection against inequality of treatment is, as the courts have said akin, to striking down 'curry favour'. Misconduct in public office in contrast is a serious criminal offence, the proof of which requires cogent and compellable evidence," according to the DPP's letter.


simply put - the part in red states that if your constitutional rights are infringed....that IS NOT a criminal offense

in addition to having statements from former ministers stating certain procedures was not adhered to and as a result the ministry could be caught in a legal battle the minister say "Don't bother with that, that will take years,"


your rights are as follows
• The right of an individual to life, liberty, security of the person and the enjoyment of property and the right not to be deprived of these except by the due process of law
• The right to equality before the law and the protection of the law
• The right to respect for your private and family life
• The right to equality of treatment by public bodies
• The right to join political parties and express political views
• The right of a parent or guardian to provide a school of his or her own choice for the education of a child or ward
• Freedom of movement
• Freedom of conscience and religious belief and observance (this includes the right not to follow a religion or religious belief)
• Freedom of thought and expression
• Freedom of association and assembly
• Freedom of the press.

if any of these are infringed....dbu its not a crime.

what is considered a criminal offense

There are three main types of criminal offenses in Trinidad and Tobago:
1.Summary offenses;
2.Indictable offenses; and
3.Triable either way offenses.

Summary offenses
Summary offenses are less serious criminal offenses in which the penalties that can be imposed. Examples of summary offenses are common assault, disorderly behavior and minor criminal damage to property.

Indictable offense
Indictable offenses are the most serious category of criminal offense. It includes offenses such as murder, wounding with intent and arson.

Triable either way offences
Offences triable either way are offences stipulated by statute that may be tried either as an indictable offence or a summary offence. These include offences of malicious damage, larceny and assault occasioning actual bodily harm

so violation of your constitutional right isnt a serious crime yet we have countries who are waging war for liberties and human rights....

my $0.02

[airuma]

but the timing is questionable

like rowley dem say "boy we getting catch with 2 much sheit this week....boat bacchanal....hunte bacchanal....lewwe do something 2 make sure they know UNC wasnt all that good either, pass for goatman"

Yea. But the thing is they must have some level of intelligence/evidence before moving on the arrest so they are sitting on matters with the intent to move when convenient as opposed to actual justice.

If it always have bacchanal....the timing will always be suspicious.

I have to believe that the TTPS has to have real cogent solid evidence to make this arrest.

They must know that unless this yields real relevant proportionate results before elections....they will lose votes where they need it.

Is the TTPS responsible for gathering evidence for this matter or are they following orders. Anand has a dead political career as far as I could see, this is probably the last nail in the coffin. Good riddance if that is the case, the PMN helped the UNC by doing this!

[16 cycles]

He was charged late in the evening today...Misbehaviour and obstruction /tv6