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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby pugboy » July 9th, 2019, 7:19 pm

So who responsible for the stupidity of negotiating upstream(buy high) supply whilst downstream contracts(sell low) still in place ?

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby zoom rader » July 9th, 2019, 7:33 pm

pugboy wrote:So who responsible for the stupidity of negotiating upstream(buy high) supply whilst downstream contracts(sell low) still in place ?
Ask eleitauto, he and de minister is good friends

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby rspann » July 9th, 2019, 7:37 pm

We could take the savings we got from renting Johnny seukerans building and pay the difference, like a subsidy nah.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby zoom rader » July 9th, 2019, 7:42 pm

rspann wrote:We could take the savings we got from renting Johnny seukerans building and pay the difference, like a subsidy nah.
Nah that is value for money according to two plate

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby pugboy » July 9th, 2019, 8:08 pm

Agreed, it is just different pockets of the same pants

rspann wrote:We could take the savings we got from renting Johnny seukerans building and pay the difference, like a subsidy nah.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby hydroep » July 10th, 2019, 3:06 am

Interesting how Sh!tkicker described Petrotrin as a "burden on the taxpayer" in his rationale for dismantling the company, yet his administration's replacement entity is guilty of something similar eh...:|

Imbert approves VAT deal for Paria
Curtis Williams

Mo­torists will not ben­e­fit from a de­ci­sion by the Min­istry of Fi­nance to ex­empt Paria Fu­els Trad­ing com­pa­ny from pay­ing more than $382 mil­lion in Val­ue Added Tax.

Fi­nance Min­is­ter Colm Im­bert con­firmed that he had giv­en ap­proval for the new­ly mint­ed State en­ter­prise not to pay VAT to Gov­ern­ment on fu­el it had im­port­ed and in a what­sap mes­sage told Guardian Me­dia that there is no re­la­tion­ship be­tween VAT on im­port­ed fu­el and on VAT be­ing paid at the pump.

Mo­torists pay 12.5 per cent VAT at the pump but will not ben­e­fit from any re­lief.

In a let­ter to Paria Fu­el’s Chair­man Wil­fred Es­pinet, which GML has ob­tained a copy, Im­bert wrote, “In May, 2019 the gov­ern­ment of the Re­pub­lic of Trinidad and To­ba­go agreed that in ac­cor­dance with the pro­vi­sion of sec­tion 55 (2) of the Val­ue Added Tax Act Chap 75:06, which ap­plies Sec­tion 124 of the In­come Tax Act, Chap 75:01, to re­mis­sion to VAT Act in the sum, $382,499,481,83 on car­goes of re­fined pe­tro­le­um prod­ucts im­port­ed by Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny Lim­it­ed as at April 30th 2019.”

Im­bert said the de­ci­sion to al­low Paria not to pay its VAT was in an ef­fort to as­sist the com­pa­ny with its cash flow.

In re­sponse to ques­tions from GML a com­pa­ny spokesman ex­plained that Paria was faced with a sit­u­a­tion where it has to pay­Gov­ern­ment VAT on all the fu­el it im­ports, in­clud­ing fu­el it is buy­ing to re­sell re­gion­al­ly. How­ev­er the re­gion­al mar­kets do not at­tract VAT and it takes time for the Min­istry of Fi­nance to re­im­burse Paria the funds. There­fore it is try­ing to avoid pay­ing VAT on the im­port­ed fu­el in ad­vance.

The spokesman said: “The re­quest was not for Paria to be ex­empt from pay­ing Val­ue Added Tax (VAT), but rather for the com­pa­ny not to have to pay VAT on im­ports in ad­vance. This was hav­ing a neg­a­tive im­pact on the com­pa­ny’s cash flow, as the com­pa­ny then had to turn­around and re­claim the mon­ey from the Gov­ern­ment as VAT on ex­port sales is ze­ro-rat­ed. For lo­cal sales, Paria col­lects VAT on its re­ceipts and re­mits this to the Gov­ern­ment.”

On Mon­day night, leader of the Op­po­si­tion Kam­la Per­sad Bisses­sar al­leged that fu­el prices will rise and there will be short­ages at the pump be­cause of the chal­lenges Paria was fac­ing in ac­quir­ing US dol­lars to buy fu­el.

Two months ago, the Sun­day Busi­ness Guardian re­port­ed the forex chal­lenges that Paria was fac­ing.

In an in­ter­view with the com­pa­ny’s Chair­man Wil­fred Es­pinet he ad­mit­ted that it was a night­mare find­ing the US $20 mil­lion a month in the bank­ing sys­tem to buy fu­el.

He said: “There is a sub­stan­tial short­fall be­tween the amount of for­eign ex­change earned by Her­itage and the amount need­ed to im­port fu­els each month by Paria. The short­fall is ap­prox­i­mate­ly US$20 mil­lion a month and is cur­rent­ly ac­cessed through the lo­cal bank­ing sys­tem. The process of find­ing a sup­ply (of US dol­lars) in time to meet pay­ment sched­ules is ex­treme­ly chal­leng­ing.

My un­der­stand­ing is that there is no reg­u­la­tion in force that will al­low for­eign ex­change to be di­rect­ed to these im­ports on a pri­or­i­ty ba­sis. As a con­se­quence, car­go of­ten ar­rives in Trinidad and de­lays in pay­ments for the ship­ment re­sults in sig­nif­i­cant de­mur­rage that has to be ab­sorbed by the com­pa­ny.”

Es­pinet added: “While we seek to find a source for the for­eign ex­change short­fall, this im­bal­ance is struc­tur­al. The ul­ti­mate so­lu­tion is to in­tro­duce poli­cies to en­cour­age a more pru­dent ap­proach to fu­el con­sump­tion. This is con­sis­tent with oblig­a­tions re­strict­ing our emis­sions.” — In other words, price increases on the horizon.

In Jan­u­ary this year the Chair­man had al­so urged the gov­ern­ment to pay its bills on time, which the Min­is­ter of Fi­nance Colm Im­bert tried to rub­bish say­ing that the mat­ter did not arise since the gov­ern­ment was not at the time ow­ing Paria mon­ey. How­ev­er, its clear from the time frame be­ing ex­empt, Gov­ern­ment was in fact own­ing Paria VAT re­funds in Jan­u­ary.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/imbert-approves-vat-deal-for-paria-6.2.882751.30d58b71aa

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 10th, 2019, 5:03 am

who smells a possible increase in fuel? it may not be now, but let shitlickers win that election next year, allyuh will start travelling....mark thy words

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby wing » July 10th, 2019, 5:40 am

Once a foreign operator takes over the Refinery and Paria, govt won't be obliged to subsidize fuel prices. Look out diesel....

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby zoom rader » July 10th, 2019, 7:14 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:who smells a possible increase in fuel? it may not be now, but let shitlickers win that election next year, allyuh will start travelling....mark thy words
He wining hands down bro

We live in very stupid country where everybody but PNM ppl prosper

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby Pointman-IA » July 10th, 2019, 6:55 pm

Expect to see a shipment of Honda City on the ports before Christmas.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 10th, 2019, 6:58 pm

If there is another fuel increase...well not if...when, what prices we looking at??? Super around $5.50 and diesel not to far behind??

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby zoom rader » July 10th, 2019, 7:03 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:If there is another fuel increase...well not if...when, what prices we looking at??? Super around $5.50 and diesel not to far behind??
Don't mind what price it is, PNM still wining elections

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby hydroep » July 11th, 2019, 2:02 am

Rowley, OWTU clash over money paid to Petrotrin workers
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While Prime Min­is­ter Dr Kei­th Row­ley said that an av­er­age of $.5 mil­lion was paid as sev­er­ance to each Petrotrin work­er when the com­pa­ny was shut down, the Oil­fields Work­ers’ Trade Union (OW­TU) has ac­cused him of dis­tort­ing fig­ures.

Speak­ing at the Peo­ple’s Na­tion­al Move­ment pub­lic meet­ing at the Pleas­antville Com­mu­ni­ty Cen­tre, San Fer­nan­do on Tues­day night, Row­ley said that “no one was tossed on­to the pave­ment to suf­fer”. He said tax­pay­ers paid out $2.7 bil­lion to 4,626 work­ers, many of whom have since been em­ployed some­where. He ad­mit­ted though that there were those who were still un­em­ployed.

“But if you do some math­e­mat­ics on that, the av­er­age, if you di­vide $2700 mil­lion be­tween 4,626 work­ers, that is an av­er­age of about half a mil­lion per per­son. But of course, it’s not sim­ple as that. The high­er-paid per­sons with the longer ser­vice would have got more, which means the low­er-paid peo­ple with the short­er ser­vice would have got less. But the av­er­age for the pool of peo­ple that you paid for, half a mil­lion apiece,” Row­ley said.

He said that of the 4,626 work­ers, 3,400 were per­ma­nent while the re­main­ing 1,226 were ca­su­al and tem­po­rary. Last year when Petrotrin re­struc­tured, the com­pa­ny’s Board of Di­rec­tors said that 800 would be em­ployed for Ex­plo­ration and Pro­duc­tion op­er­a­tions and an­oth­er 200 to man the ter­mi­nal fa­cil­i­ty.

Pro­vid­ing the cur­rent em­ploy­ment fig­ures, he said that of the 800 po­si­tions to be filled at Her­itage Pe­tro­le­um, 147 peo­ple who were di­rect­ly em­ployed by the com­pa­ny and con­trac­tors ac­count­ed for 534, bring­ing the to­tal count to 681. Of the 200 po­si­tions promised at the Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny, 129 were hired of which 99 were em­ployed by a con­trac­tor.

But in re­sponse yes­ter­day, OW­TU chief ed­u­ca­tion of­fi­cer Ozzi War­wick said the Row­ley has again shown his dis­con­nect from re­al­i­ty. War­wick said the state­ments al­so showed no con­cern for the suf­fer­ing of thou­sands of work­ers who are yet to find jobs.

“The Prime Min­is­ter did not men­tion that 3,000 tem­po­rary and ca­su­al work­ers got ab­solute­ly noth­ing. The Prime Min­is­ter did not men­tion that none of the sport club work­ers got noth­ing at all. He seems very un­con­cern that the young work­ers, who were now start­ing their fam­i­lies, who had mort­gages and loans, got next to noth­ing. So much so that their ve­hi­cles are be­ing re­pos­sessed, some have had to seek help to save their homes and many of them have not got any job for all these months,” War­wick said.

He said the while Row­ley threw out em­ploy­ment fig­ures, War­wick chal­lenged him to show how many were for­mer Petrotrin works.

“You may have hired 681 at Her­itage, but how many were Petrotrin work­ers? Don’t put that out there, give a prop­er break­down and say how many were Petrotrin Work­ers.”

He added that be­cause the gov­ern­ment failed to ho­n­our pay­ment to Petrotrin’s trustee, the bank is threat­en­ing to shut down the pen­sion plan.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley-owtu-clash-over-money-paid-to-petrotrin-workers-6.2.883587.9a05d80162

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby Redman » July 11th, 2019, 7:30 am

At some point, the fact that the SUBSIDY on fuels-has ZERO to do with who owns the refinery...its a GORTT policy
will set in
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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby zoom rader » July 11th, 2019, 7:46 am

Expect motor car tax to be reintroduced as government moves out the fuel bussiness.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby De Dragon » July 12th, 2019, 12:25 am

pugboy wrote:So who responsible for the stupidity of negotiating upstream(buy high) supply whilst downstream contracts(sell low) still in place ?

You need only look at the kants who went on the junket to the UK and the US
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The man-headed one from Finance Ministry who say if people could afford fete tickets, they could afford higher taxes.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby kstt » July 12th, 2019, 5:55 pm

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RIP COMRADE

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Postby MaxPower » July 12th, 2019, 7:42 pm

Correct, only a few care.

The others would say suicide is not the answer. They would also say suicide after job loss is an easy way out and is a sign of weakness, laziness or even stupidity. But then again, not many people would know or even care what this lad was going through.

A job loss does not mean the end of life. There are many other options but not many can walk the walk. Not many have the will power to downgrade a lifestyle. Stress from family also plays a great part....a demanding and inconsiderate wife, child maintenance and education fees, bills etc are the main players.

Be strong my friends.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby nervewrecker » July 12th, 2019, 8:07 pm

Pointman-IA wrote:Expect to see a shipment of Honda City on the ports before Christmas.


Seems I in good hands then. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby hydroep » July 13th, 2019, 4:46 am

kstt wrote:019-07-12%2017.54.54.png

RIP COMRADE


RIP.

Let this be a lesson to those with agendas who pushing the talk that since they eh seeing no beatup from ex-Petrotrin workers it means that things generally worked out in their favour.

People suffering in silence...:|

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Postby Redman » July 13th, 2019, 11:11 am

hydroep wrote:
kstt wrote:019-07-12%2017.54.54.png

RIP COMRADE


RIP.

Let this be a lesson to those with agendas who pushing the talk that since they eh seeing no beatup from ex-Petrotrin workers it means that things generally worked out in their favour.

People suffering in silence...:|


With out wanting to sound callous....isnt that normal life for everyone?

People commit suicide for many reasons.
And at the same time there are many people with the SAME problems who chose to press on.

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Postby MaxPower » July 13th, 2019, 5:44 pm

Redman wrote:And at the same time there are many people with the SAME problems who chose to press on.


Some even have worse problems and rally through.

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Postby Joshie23 » July 13th, 2019, 6:46 pm

Redman wrote:
hydroep wrote:
kstt wrote:019-07-12%2017.54.54.png

RIP COMRADE


RIP.

Let this be a lesson to those with agendas who pushing the talk that since they eh seeing no beatup from ex-Petrotrin workers it means that things generally worked out in their favour.

People suffering in silence...:|


With out wanting to sound callous....isnt that normal life for everyone?

People commit suicide for many reasons.
And at the same time there are many people with the SAME problems who chose to press on.


Stop playing smart with schupidness, Redman. Better than that. You sound like one of those 'well she look fuh it, why she had on that dress?' kind of people. :roll: Yes, people commit suicide for many reasons, but is this the 'Many Reasons' thread? Better than that.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby wing » July 13th, 2019, 7:19 pm

It's very unfortunate what happened to him. Whatever the reasons for his actions, it's apparent that he couldn't find a way out of the hell he was going through. Could his loved ones have done more? What about the former Petrotrin? Could they have offered some sort of counseling for the affected workers? What about the OWTU? Could they have offered something to this guy in exchange for his dues that he was required to continue paying? RIP.

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Postby sMASH » July 13th, 2019, 7:46 pm

PNM needs to disappear.
It's a cancer in this country.

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Enjoyed that video MaxPower

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MaxPower wrote:To all my Friends on Tuner.

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Awesome video. Watching this actually made me get off the couch and fire up my laptop to work on a business idea I had been procrastinating on.

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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby Pointman-IA » July 13th, 2019, 9:02 pm

nervewrecker wrote:
Pointman-IA wrote:Expect to see a shipment of Honda City on the ports before Christmas.


Seems I in good hands then. :lol: :lol:



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Re: Petrotrin update

Postby Pointman-IA » July 13th, 2019, 9:06 pm

wing wrote:It's very unfortunate what happened to him. Whatever the reasons for his actions, it's apparent that he couldn't find a way out of the hell he was going through. Could his loved ones have done more? What about the former Petrotrin? Could they have offered some sort of counseling for the affected workers? What about the OWTU? Could they have offered something to this guy in exchange for his dues that he was required to continue paying? RIP.


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