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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby desifemlove » September 19th, 2017, 3:12 pm

I hope so. T&T needs a serious hurricane, to clean up the sheit, and rebuild.

anybody who thinks there is no climate change is a dullard, who ignores all the data to suit his or her ideological agenda. sea levels are rising. global temperatures are rising. ice caps are melting. yes, this happened many thoustands of years ago, but not lie it has today.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby The_Honourable » September 20th, 2017, 1:25 am

Harvey and Irma Can't be Blamed on Climate Change

In the era of fake news, misinformation tends to spread quickly – especially during a time of crisis. The deceptions that have sprung up in the wake of hurricanes Harvey and Irma show that it's high time to separate fact from fiction.

When Harvey hit landfall, a picture of a shark allegedly on a highway in Houston went viral, fooling at least one reporter. The same fake picture, which has been around for years, cropped up during Irma. Yet before stopping to check if the picture is real, people retweet or share it on Facebook hundreds of thousands of times.

The same is true for blaming man-made climate change for Harvey and Irma. Before actually analyzing the data, one news outlet wrote, "Harvey is what climate change looks like." Another called the one-two punch of Harvey and Irma the potential "new normal." Other environmental activists went as far as to say that the two natural disasters are reason to finally jail officials who "reject science."

There's only one small problem with such accusations. Man-made warming did not cause Harvey and Irma. As carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions have increased, there have been no trends in global tropical cycle landfalls. Before Harvey and Irma, with a little bit of luck, the United States was in a 12-year hurricane drought. More importantly, the average number of hurricanes per decade reaching landfall in the U.S. has fallen over the past 160 years.

This comes not via "denier data," but from mainstream science. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported in its most recent scientific assessment that "(n)o robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes, and major hurricanes ... have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin," and that there are "no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency."

According to the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, "It is premature to conclude that human activities – and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming – have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity."

Other media outlets took a more measured approach, claiming that man did not cause Harvey and Irma but supercharged them. The reasoning is that warmer sea surface temperatures increase moisture in the air and, in turn, up the intensity of the hurricanes.

But University of Washington climatologist Cliff Mass, after examining precipitation levels in the Gulf, discredited this claim. He found that "(t)here is no evidence that global warming is influencing Texas coastal precipitation in the long term and little evidence that warmer than normal temperatures had any real impact on the precipitation intensity from this storm."

CNN asked Bill Read, former director of the National Hurricane Center, whether man-made climate change was intensifying storms. He said no, adding, "This is not an uncommon occurrence to see storms grow and intensify rapidly in the western Gulf of Mexico. That's as long as we've been tracking them that has occurred."

Even if man-made warming were responsible for Harvey and Irma, the policies that tax or regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions are costly non-solutions. The U.S. could slap a $40 tax on all carbon dioxide emissions, and the "climate benefits" would be hardly noticeable. By the year 2100, the averted warming would be less than two-tenths of a degree Celsius, and the averted sea level rise would be less than 2 centimeters.

The costs, however, would be staggering. Because carbon dioxide-emitting conventional fuels meet 80 percent of America's energy needs, the tax would harm families multiple times over as energy is a necessary component for almost everything we make and do. Between now and 2035, the country would experience an average employment shortfall of 400,000 lost jobs, a total loss of income exceeding $20,000 for a family of four, and a $2.5 trillion hit to the overall economy. That means less wealth to combat future challenges, whether they are climate-related or not.

Political opportunism is distracting from what is important: helping the people in Houston, Florida and the islands. Policymakers should focus on improving natural disaster response, resilience and preparedness. Blaming man-made climate change on Harvey and Irma is truly denying the data.

Source: http://www.heritage.org/environment/com ... ate-change

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » September 20th, 2017, 9:48 am

desifemlove wrote:I hope so. T&T needs a serious hurricane, to clean up the sheit, and rebuild.

anybody who thinks there is no climate change is a dullard, who ignores all the data to suit his or her ideological agenda. sea levels are rising. global temperatures are rising. ice caps are melting. yes, this happened many thoustands of years ago, but not lie it has today.


Climate changes everyday. No argument there.

Here are some of the issues yet to be adequately addressed by alarmists:

What extent do humans influence climate vs other natural phenomena?

Iz the catastrophe theory of human induced climate change valid?

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby meccalli » September 20th, 2017, 10:20 am

desifemlove wrote:ignores all the data to suit his or her ideological agenda.

This describes best climate change proponents who are going on about flawed projection models while ignoring actual observational data that contradicts it.
Nobody is saying, humans have to sit back and cry, yes we're responsible for alot of things and we have to do something about it. Deforestation, pollution, consumption levels, monocropping etc...

But the facts are, anthropogenic Co2 emissions are not responsible for climate change. The models don't correspond with observational data.And while governments are pushing it and funding scientists who want a big piece of the pie for their research that will amount to no improvements, climate change is rolling on and affecting millions around the world.

They're depriving and providing no incentive to actual scientists who are capable of and who are currently trying to find the best ways to adapt to the expected changes. They're wasting precious time trying to find correlations between a single greenhouse trace element and climate to publish papers in order to bolster their arguments in court and to enforce carbon emission reductions in less developed countries that will cause a heap of problems for them. Instead, just one example is that we could be pouring resources into pools of scientists that will help develop disease, salt, drought and heat resistant crops so we can continue to have food. You might be comfortable putting all your eggs in the basket of carbon blaming, the rest of the world isn't and cannot afford to do so.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby adnj » November 3rd, 2017, 9:43 pm

The Trump administration released a dire scientific report Friday calling human activity the dominant driver of global warming, a conclusion at odds with White House decisions to withdraw from a key international climate accord, champion fossil fuels and reverse Obama-era climate policies.

To the surprise of some scientists, the White House did not seek to prevent the release of the government’s National Climate Assessment, which is mandated by law. The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of a worst-case scenario where seas could rise as high as eight feet by the year 2100, and details climate-related damage across the United States that is already unfolding as a result of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.

“It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/?utm_term=.b78d0770026b

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » November 4th, 2017, 9:06 am

When scientists use words like “extremely likely” it means they have no valid scientific evidence to support the theory.

It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

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Postby timelapse » November 4th, 2017, 9:09 am

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Why doesn't Elon Musk try to fix this shitty planet than fooling everybody with his pipe dream of Teraforming an even shittier mars?. We can't fix the climate on earth but he thinks he could fix the climate on Mars?



A one man army can't go up against the global 1% that trying to bleed this planet dry

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby adnj » November 4th, 2017, 1:19 pm

Miktay wrote:When scientists use words like “extremely likely” it means they have no valid scientific evidence to support the theory.

It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

But aren't you saying, "It's extremely unlikely?"

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 4th, 2017, 1:35 pm

Miktay wrote:When scientists use words like “extremely likely” it means they have no valid scientific evidence to support the theory.

It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

In science they do not default to absolutes. Which is why when something is proven via scientific evidence they still refer to it as a scientific theory e.g. Theory of Evolution.

Theory -
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Scientific Theory -
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

"The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". In everyday speech, "theory" can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, the opposite its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus everyday speech, where it denotes a mere hope."

So when scientists say "it is extremely likely" they mean it is extremely likely based on scientific evidence.

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Postby redmanjp » November 4th, 2017, 4:52 pm

I have a theory. If all of us only used our cars when going out with the whole family instead of driving passenger less cars to work everyday (take public transport if alone) only used AC between 11-4pm when we're home and not colder than 25-26C and use tankless water heaters then the emissions from vehicles plus power plants would be drastically reduced and climate change wouldn't be such a threat.
Oh and we'll save money on electicity and gas too!
But its seems what was once luxuries just 20-30 yrs ago are now needs. Too bad for our grandchildren. If you think it hot now try living in the world we are creating for them 50-60 yrs from now. Everyday what we consider to be a hot spell now would unfortunately become the new normal, and a hot spell for them wont just be very uncomfortable - it would actually be deadly!
Imagine hundreds of people going to the hospital on such a day and God forbid 20 or so dying?

We are at a crossroads now. We can choose to give up some comforts now and save future generations and be on the right side of history, or continue being comfortable and doom our grand children to a horrible future and be on the wrong side of history.

If that's the case i better do like Ingalook and leave Packaskas
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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby sMASH » November 4th, 2017, 5:17 pm

All that is cool an all.
But it would be in vain because many people don't think that it is true, and more yet don't care if it's true.
Global warming is like a underage girl going missing and then resurfacing with no explanation... We don't care anymore.

So, stopping it is impossible, reducing it limited, we should try to implement more carbon capture technologies to mitigate those that would release green house gases.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 12:31 pm

adnj wrote:
Miktay wrote:When scientists use words like “extremely likely” it means they have no valid scientific evidence to support the theory.

It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

But aren't you saying, "It's extremely unlikely?"


One must keep an open mind. But what a reasonable person would ask iz where iz the proof of the catastrophe theory of global warming? Where are the reproducible experiments that support this theory?

You have nothing more than a guess if you can’t support ur theory.
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Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 12:36 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Miktay wrote:When scientists use words like “extremely likely” it means they have no valid scientific evidence to support the theory.

It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.”

In science they do not default to absolutes. Which is why when something is proven via scientific evidence they still refer to it as a scientific theory e.g. Theory of Evolution.

Theory -
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

Scientific Theory -
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

"The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory". In everyday speech, "theory" can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, the opposite its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus everyday speech, where it denotes a mere hope."

So when scientists say "it is extremely likely" they mean it is extremely likely based on scientific evidence.


So where iz the evidence? Where are the experiments that support the catastrophe theory of man made global warming?

In thiz era of fake news iz no longer credible to state that a scientific postulate is likely. That iz political doublespeak. Science doesn’t work by consensus. Real science iz not a popularity contest.

Until you or the Big Climate lobby can show solid reproducible experiments and evidence of the catastrophe theory of man made global warming it will remain conjecture.

That’s how real science works. Trust but verify.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 12:43 pm

redmanjp wrote:I have a theory. If all of us only used our cars when going out with the whole family instead of driving passenger less cars to work everyday (take public transport if alone) only used AC between 11-4pm when we're home and not colder than 25-26C and use tankless water heaters then the emissions from vehicles plus power plants would be drastically reduced and climate change wouldn't be such a threat.
Oh and we'll save money on electicity and gas too!
But its seems what was once luxuries just 20-30 yrs ago are now needs. Too bad for our grandchildren. If you think it hot now try living in the world we are creating for them 50-60 yrs from now. Everyday what we consider to be a hot spell now would unfortunately become the new normal, and a hot spell for them wont just be very uncomfortable - it would actually be deadly!
Imagine hundreds of people going to the hospital on such a day and God forbid 20 or so dying?

We are at a crossroads now. We can choose to give up some comforts now and save future generations and be on the right side of history, or continue being comfortable and doom our grand children to a horrible future and be on the wrong side of history.

If that's the case i better do like Ingalook and leave Packaskas


Wishful thinking...guesses and conjecture are the stuff of science fiction. Fear makes a great narrative. But without hard facts it will remain speculation.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 5th, 2017, 1:36 pm

^ Miktay you are very passionate about your POV. I sense that you have a deeper rooted reason why you deny global warming climate change and it's not because you feel there is a lack of evidence.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 4:17 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ Miktay you are very passionate about your POV. I sense that you have a deeper rooted reason why you deny global warming climate change and it's not because you feel there is a lack of evidence.


Duane: It’s really simple.

For example if u claimed to have a scientific method to predict winning lotto numbers or winning race horses I would be very interested. I would be all ears.

But I would want a proof of concept before investing money or time in the theory.

And if you couldn’t provide reasonable substantiation I would have to dismiss your theory as conjecture. That’s the scientific method. Trust but verify.

That’s the approach I take with the catastrophe theory of man made global warming.

Show me the proof. Show the supporting experiments. Show me valid predictions. Otherwise itz just ole rumshop talk.
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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby adnj » November 5th, 2017, 4:40 pm

^^ I believe that I understand now. "Catastrophe Theory" has certain implications.

The documented affects (not necessarily because of but rather having an effect upon) of the 1°C of the average annual temperature includes:
Diminished polar ice
Relocation of coral reefs
Relocation of fisheries
Relocation of vegetation
Increased wildfires
Increased weather pattern intensity
Decreased severity of winter weather patterns
Increased severity of summer weather
Increased shore erosion
Increased average sea level
and others

There is no theory of catastrophic climate change. The "scientific theory" is that human release of green house gases has caused or added to a change in the global ecosystem. These changes are long lasting and may be mitigated or multiplied by current green house gas production.

If catastrophic means end of the world, not likely. But if catastrophic means winter is warmer, corn grows in places that it never did before, some deserts are getting larger, or that your beach front property in North Carolina, Indonesia, New Guinea, or Australia is in danger of being washed away by a rising tide, it's already happened.
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Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 4:47 pm

adnj wrote:^^ I believe that I understand now. "Catastrophe Theory" has certain implications.

The documented affects of the 1°C of the average annual temperature includes:
Diminished polar ice
Relocation of coral reefs
Relocation of fisheries
Relocation of vegetation
Increased wildfires
Increased weather pattern intensity
Decreased severity of winter weather patterns
Increased severity of summer weather
Increased shore erosion
Increased average sea level
and others

There is no theory of catastrophic climate change. The "scientific theory" is that human release of green house games has caused or added to a change in the global ecosystem. These changes are long lasting and may be mitigated or multiplied by current green house gas production.

If catastrophic means end of the world, not likely. But if catastrophic means winter is warmer, corn grows in places that it never did before, some deserts are getting larger, or that your beach front property in North Carolina, Indonesia, New Guinea, or Australia is in danger of being washed away by a rising tide, it's already happened.


To what extent man made production of carbon dioxide has influenced global climate iz unknown. The earths climate also exhibits variability from a natural occurrences such as planetary orbits, solar activity, oceanic and atmospheric current, flora and fauna, axial tilt, volcanic eruptions etc

Notwithstanding the fact that the permutations and combinations of these phenomenon are infinite implies that an accurate forecast of long term global climate iz impractical.
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Venus. Run away green house

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Postby Miktay » November 5th, 2017, 7:49 pm

sMASH wrote:Venus. Run away green house


Venus iz generally closer to the largest heating element in the solar system...the Sun....by approx 30 million miles.

Venus iz not 75% covered by water.

Venus has no flora that we’re aware of.

Venus has no satellites.

Venus iz an entirely different planet. It iz not planet Earth.

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Postby sMASH » November 5th, 2017, 7:56 pm

Heat is its difference, and this place here is getting hotter.

The distance isn't that much greater to Warrant the high temperatures it has. The green house effect kicked it wayyy above what,it should be.

Co2 and methane here will kick our Temps way above what it should be too.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 5th, 2017, 9:49 pm

https://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

2016 was the hottest year ever recorded, with global average temperatures reaching 1.69°F above the 20th-century average.

The average Sea Surface Temperature in 2016 was the warmest ever recorded, averaging 0.75: °C than last century’s average.

In January 2017, the Arctic sea ice extent was 13.4 million sq km—1.3 million sq km less than the 1981-2010 mean for January. The Antarctic sea ice extent was 4.0 million sq km—0.6 million sq km less than the 1981-2010 mean for January.

https://www.popsci.com/how-we-know-that ... -happening

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Postby Miktay » November 6th, 2017, 11:37 am

sMASH wrote:Heat is its difference, and this place here is getting hotter.

Before the meme of global warming meteorologists used to call that a heatwave. Regions on the earth experienced various episodes of heat waves and cold snaps well before the onset of the industrial revolution and the mass production of the automobile.

The hottest ever recorded temperature of 56.7 degrees C was in Death Valley CA in July 1913.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/wor ... emperature[/quote]

The distance isn't that much greater to Warrant the high temperatures it has. The green house effect kicked it wayyy above what,it should be.

30% closer to the predominant source of heat in the solar system iz not insignificant.

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Co2 and methane here will kick our Temps way above what it should be too.


Do u have proof of thiz future occurrence or iz this more rumshop ole talk ?

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Postby Miktay » November 6th, 2017, 11:55 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:https://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

2016 was the hottest year ever recorded, with global average temperatures reaching 1.69°F above the 20th-century average.


Global Satellites: 2016 not Statistically Warmer than 1998
January 3rd, 2017 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

Strong December Cooling Leads to 2016 Being Statistically Indistinguishable from 1998

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for December 2016 was +0.24 deg. C, down substantially from the November value of +0.45 deg. C (click for full size version):

The resulting 2016 annual average global temperature anomaly is +0.50 deg. C, which is (a statistically insignificant) 0.02 deg. C warmer than 1998 at +0.48 deg. C. We estimate that 2016 would have had to be 0.10 C warmer than 1998 to be significantly different at the 95% confidence level.

Both 2016 and 1998 were strong El Nino years.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/01/glo ... than-1998/

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby sMASH » November 6th, 2017, 2:04 pm

Miktay wrote:
Do u have proof of thiz future occurrence or iz this more rumshop ole talk ?


I know I move like Rick, but I don't have access to time crystals.

U really asking me for proof of something that hasn't happened yet?
LOL.

Just putting 2 and 2 together, co2 and ch4 induce a green house effect. Increasing those concentrations will have a net increase in temperatures. Unless sumting happens to mitigate that effect, or reduce incoming sunlight, the logical extrapolation is to continue on an upward trend.

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Postby Miktay » November 6th, 2017, 3:47 pm

sMASH wrote:
Miktay wrote:
Do u have proof of thiz future occurrence or iz this more rumshop ole talk ?


I know I move like Rick, but I don't have access to time crystals.

U really asking me for proof of something that hasn't happened yet?
LOL.

Just putting 2 and 2 together, co2 and ch4 induce a green house effect. Increasing those concentrations will have a net increase in temperatures. Unless sumting happens to mitigate that effect, or reduce incoming sunlight, the logical extrapolation is to continue on an upward trend.


Your assuming that C02 and other gasses are going to increase net temperatures. Man made CO2 hasnt been established as a major driver of net global temperatures in comparison to other natural factors.

For example the sun & sunspots have a more profound impact on planetary temperature than man made CO2.

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The oceans also regulate global temperature. The ocean covers approx 75% of Planet Earth.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby sMASH » November 6th, 2017, 8:02 pm

Oceans regulate like a capacitor; it absorbs peaks but raises troughs, even out the temperature.
It doesn't remove the heat energy away from the system that is earth. If u keep adding heat energy, it will eventually saturate, and the average temperature will increase.


Things like solar flares do cause instantaneous increases in temperture, but it would have to be continuous for it to become a sustained increase in temperature.... (duh)

Global warming isn't a spike in temerstures, which can be caused by things like solar flares or volcanic eruptions or what not.
Global warming is an increase in the average temperatures over long stretches in time.


When the average temperature rises, the occasional swings, either up or down, will trend to be higher.

If u think about the sun delivering energy to the earth at a constant rate, then the amount reflected back out to space is reduced, because of reduced albedo and because of green house gases trapping the heat, then logically one would expect the general temperatures to increase.




U have to thing about the earth as inputs and outputs. The output of heat energy has decreased and the input has remained the same, so there will be accumulation of heat energy.


U know, conservation of energy...

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby Miktay » November 8th, 2017, 10:28 am

sMASH wrote:Oceans regulate like a capacitor; it absorbs peaks but raises troughs, even out the temperature.
It doesn't remove the heat energy away from the system that is earth. If u keep adding heat energy, it will eventually saturate, and the average temperature will increase.


Things like solar flares do cause instantaneous increases in temperture, but it would have to be continuous for it to become a sustained increase in temperature.... (duh)

Global warming isn't a spike in temerstures, which can be caused by things like solar flares or volcanic eruptions or what not.
Global warming is an increase in the average temperatures over long stretches in time.


When the average temperature rises, the occasional swings, either up or down, will trend to be higher.

If u think about the sun delivering energy to the earth at a constant rate, then the amount reflected back out to space is reduced, because of reduced albedo and because of green house gases trapping the heat, then logically one would expect the general temperatures to increase.




U have to thing about the earth as inputs and outputs. The output of heat energy has decreased and the input has remained the same, so there will be accumulation of heat energy.


U know, conservation of energy...


You have made a case for heat buildup on planet earth. Thankfully you are using some scientific principles so your points are grounded.

However you havent made a case that CO2 iz a significant driver for planetary warming. That iz the crux of the entire Big Climate lobby's argument.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby sMASH » November 8th, 2017, 12:41 pm

What u are taking about is ur gyul smiling and moving cool cool with ur bess bredrin. U picking up on some vibes but u ain't want to out ur padnahs jess so. The only way to know if ur gyul will horn yuh is after the fact... when she done ressons it on him.
What I talking about is preventing it from happeing, whether or not it will happen. I ain't want to know I'd throw likelihood high or low or seas slight to moderate. It looking like it might happen, well put things in place to avoid it.. take front REGARDLESS,


What are the opportunity costs for either scenario?
If greenhouse cause it and u do nothing then we suffer. If it doesn't cause it and we do nothing, well YOLO.
If it causes it and we suppress it, then we save the earth. If it doesn't cause it and we try but fail, we extend the time we have fossil fuels.


We don't have much to loose by reducing greenhouse gases, but we have much to gain if it is a significant factor.

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Re: Global Warming And Climate Change A serious threat?

Postby abducted » November 8th, 2017, 12:52 pm

sMASH, Miktay takes the bible literally and the concept that humans can alter the Earth that God created for mankind does not corroborate with his beliefs, that is the reason for his disbelief and denial of climate change and global warming due to man made causes, in his mind it is impossible that man can change the climate that God so perfectly made, so no amount of scientific data will make him "believe" differently, you need to address that first in order to start making sense to him.

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