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National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby stikid09 » November 17th, 2017, 7:58 pm

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The national security minister says automatic kiosks to replace the immigration desks at the airport should be in place by carnival next year.

The minister was responding to questions regarding what measure have been put in place to ensure there is no recurrence of what transpired on Sunday, November 12th when several immigration officers stayed away from work causing arriving passengers to wait for hours to be processed.

Minister Dillon says while investigations into that incident are ongoing, there are new contingency plans.

Which includes the implementation of the kiosks as well as training retirees to be on standby.


Source: http://www.cnc3.co.tt/press-release/nat ... ation-desk

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby zoom rader » November 17th, 2017, 8:03 pm

Well done PNM.

Hope public servants know that they can't hold the public to ransom anymore.

This should apply to all government departments and jobs

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby RedVEVO » November 17th, 2017, 8:17 pm

zoom rader wrote:Well done PNM.

Hope public servants know that they can't hold the public to ransom anymore.

This should apply to all government departments and jobs


Will never happen .. Carnival 2018 :D ?

Try to remove guns & bottle and knives first Mr Army Dildo.

And ice pick :)

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby MaxPower » November 17th, 2017, 8:35 pm

Like most things the govt waste money on...never works, no one cares to fix

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National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 17th, 2017, 10:34 pm

Who getting the contract to supply those machines?

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby vaiostation » November 17th, 2017, 11:04 pm

But did they address the issues the immigration workers have?

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby matr1x » November 17th, 2017, 11:13 pm

When it breaks down, who fixing?

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Redman » November 18th, 2017, 6:41 am

Bring on automation.
Train up alternatives.

Unions here have negotiated their way into obsolescence.

Well done

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » November 18th, 2017, 7:47 am

Well Done, the PNM is actually dealing with these public servants it used to be that they would encourage this kind of thing but times have changed. Rowley not playing that anymore

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Dizzy28 » November 18th, 2017, 7:50 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who getting the contract to supply those machines?

With their good fortune it may very well be Kallco.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby SMc » November 18th, 2017, 8:07 am

But those pictures showing automated check in machines- that have nothing to do with immigration- Im interested to see how it works and with what passports.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby pugboy » November 18th, 2017, 8:13 am

Typical knee jerk reaction from him
Where the police station for enterprise .

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Postby Redman » November 18th, 2017, 8:29 am

It is time to push back on the unions.

ANY one that spent 5 minutes listening to the JSC on the State enterprises would see that there are significant similarities in the issues.
Poor governance and little over site is certainly the main problem.
The other UNIONs that negotiate aggressively for wage and compensation -but totally ignore the requirement for better productivity and accountability.

-CAL-Pilots -the highest paid, get 20 plus free flights-some take as much as 100 per year.-TALPA silent
-Petrotrin-OWTU striking-but we have the lowest per capita oil production that Ive been able to find.
-PSA-Where to start????-but suffice it to say that we have low tax and duty capture-and a massive illegal alien problem....Som action was taken-Management says meeehknownah and the workers say that most of the absentees were on scheduled leave.
-NIB NOW admits being insolvent.......despite this being obvious for 10+ years. ..Where dearssssssssssssssse were the audit and actuarial personnell for the last 15 years?????

The above costing us billions a year-directly and indirectly-ALL of us-not just PNM or UNC ALLLL

Dillons response doesnt have to be perfect.... but sheeeiit to me it looks like a good start

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Country_Bookie » November 18th, 2017, 8:33 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who getting the contract to supply those machines?

With their good fortune it may very well be Kallco.

Why does gov't always have to go thru a local middleman to supply these sort of items? Wouldn't it make sense to set up a gov't division to procure these items directly from foreign suppliers?

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » November 18th, 2017, 9:06 am

I used the machines already and it works fine...i still had to visit the officer though...they still have to stamp ur passport

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby RedVEVO » November 18th, 2017, 9:14 am

" ... Which includes the implementation of the kiosks as well as training retirees to be on standby .. "

So is ole retired gringos again ?

Trini have too much ole gringo .

The source of ALL TRINI problems.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby zoom rader » November 18th, 2017, 9:50 am

Jah bless Rowley time to get rid of non functioning public servants

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 18th, 2017, 11:02 am

SMc wrote:But those pictures showing automated check in machines- that have nothing to do with immigration- Im interested to see how it works and with what passports.

T&T passports are machine readable.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby pugboy » November 18th, 2017, 11:24 am

actuarial reports have been saying this for years,
the govts have ignored this info
If pension busts in 2018 as news say last night, it be be riots if the old ppl cant get their pensions

Kamla gave $3000 old age pension which comes from treasury
Imbert raise nis pension to equal that even though the previous pension $1500 or something
was already not sustainable.


Redman wrote:It is time to push back on the unions.

ANY one that spent 5 minutes listening to the JSC on the State enterprises would see that there are significant similarities in the issues.
Poor governance and little over site is certainly the main problem.
The other UNIONs that negotiate aggressively for wage and compensation -but totally ignore the requirement for better productivity and accountability.

-CAL-Pilots -the highest paid, get 20 plus free flights-some take as much as 100 per year.-TALPA silent
-Petrotrin-OWTU striking-but we have the lowest per capita oil production that Ive been able to find.
-PSA-Where to start????-but suffice it to say that we have low tax and duty capture-and a massive illegal alien problem....Som action was taken-Management says meeehknownah and the workers say that most of the absentees were on scheduled leave.
-NIB NOW admits being insolvent.......despite this being obvious for 10+ years. ..Where dearssssssssssssssse were the audit and actuarial personnell for the last 15 years?????

The above costing us billions a year-directly and indirectly-ALL of us-not just PNM or UNC ALLLL

Dillons response doesnt have to be perfect.... but sheeeiit to me it looks like a good start

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » November 18th, 2017, 12:15 pm

You still need to meet the officer...the machine doesnt stamp passports...so if they decide to strike...same long lines you facing

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Licensed to Walk! » November 18th, 2017, 11:27 pm

stikid09 wrote:Image

The national security minister says automatic kiosks to replace the immigration desks at the airport should be in place by carnival next year.

The minister was responding to questions regarding what measure have been put in place to ensure there is no recurrence of what transpired on Sunday, November 12th when several immigration officers stayed away from work causing arriving passengers to wait for hours to be processed.

Minister Dillon says while investigations into that incident are ongoing, there are new contingency plans.

Which includes the implementation of the kiosks as well as training retirees to be on standby.


Source: http://www.cnc3.co.tt/press-release/nat ... ation-desk


I will welcome this initiative if it can be implemented to facilitate Trinidad and Tobago nationals without the need for an officer. Whether or not it can be in place for carnival 2018........well.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby RedVEVO » November 18th, 2017, 11:32 pm

^^^^^

Dillion and his ole rum shop talk to scare Immigration Officers.

His next move may be " water boarding " Immigration personnel :D

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Keyser Soze » November 19th, 2017, 2:31 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:You still need to meet the officer...the machine doesnt stamp passports...so if they decide to strike...same long lines you facing

You only need one officer to view and stamp the passports, plus your entry record is digitized with you getting a print out with your pic and details etc. the process is a lot quicker in my opinion.
Saw this in effect in Jamaica with only two immigration officers alongside 4 kiosks (iirc). One person assisting at the kiosks and one person verifying and stamping. The shock factor of having a machine speed up the experience alone should get immigration officers on their toes and fighting for their jobs.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Monk BANzai » November 19th, 2017, 5:07 am

Keyser Soze wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:You still need to meet the officer...the machine doesnt stamp passports...so if they decide to strike...same long lines you facing

You only need one officer to view and stamp the passports, plus your entry record is digitized with you getting a print out with your pic and details etc. the process is a lot quicker in my opinion.
Saw this in effect in Jamaica with only two immigration officers alongside 4 kiosks (iirc). One person assisting at the kiosks and one person verifying and stamping. The shock factor of having a machine speed up the experience alone should get immigration officers on their toes and fighting for their jobs.


This. Heard they also automating the carparks.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby SMc » November 19th, 2017, 6:25 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
SMc wrote:But those pictures showing automated check in machines- that have nothing to do with immigration- Im interested to see how it works and with what passports.

T&T passports are machine readable.


I know, most passports are machine readable these days- what I was wondering is what passports will be accepted by the machine eg people with EU passports dont need a visa to enter T&T- but they do need to provide certain informtion like where they will be staying, purpose of visit etc- I dont see how that can be done with an automated kiosks. Or what about the Austrailian passport, that is machine readable but a visa is required to enter T&T- how will the machine pick that up?

The only way I really see it working is if its use is limited to people who hold a T&T passport- similar to what is done in the EU where only people with EU ePassports (biometric passports) are able to use the ePassport gates, everyone else regardless of whether the passport is machine readable, no visa required etc needs to go to an immigration officer.

Anyway- if it works thats good news as getting through immigration in Piarco takes way too long.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 19th, 2017, 9:54 am

^ yup I think initially it’s for T&T passport holders. That alone will greatly speed up the immigration process on arrivals and reduce the lines.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 19th, 2017, 10:06 am

On the other side, departures security check was also a mess. They changed from two gate entries to just one, so ALL flights for ALL gates had to join ONE line to pass through security. The line was up to the escalator at the end of duty free and snaked through the top floor. That was in August. Dunno if they changed it since.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Gem_in_i » November 19th, 2017, 10:31 am

Its still the same one line.

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby janfar » November 19th, 2017, 10:33 am

When u enter the US you will use the automated machine. After scanning your VISA and PP info page it will determine whether you need secondary screening or not. You still need to go see an officer. If you receive a receipt with an 'X' over the entire page you will have answer further questions. No X means you will more than likely be stamped and sent thru without further questions.

In other countries like Australia for instance, you VISA is logged online so you have 0 interaction with an immigration officer. It is 100% automated.

Most airport security systems and airlines are tied in with TIMATIC. Which is why most airlines are now responsible for the passengers they bring into a country

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Re: National Security Minister: Automatic Kiosks to replace immigration desk

Postby Dizzy28 » November 19th, 2017, 10:38 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:On the other side, departures security check was also a mess. They changed from two gate entries to just one, so ALL flights for ALL gates had to join ONE line to pass through security. The line was up to the escalator at the end of duty free and snaked through the top floor. That was in August. Dunno if they changed it since.

Was two lines last week one on each side.

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