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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Chimera » April 9th, 2018, 9:19 am

most of them big "successful" countries are built on slave labour or cheap labour though....

so wwgd?

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Dizzy28 » April 9th, 2018, 9:34 am

Phone Surgeon wrote:most of them big "successful" countries are built on slave labour or cheap labour though....

so wwgd?


Look at the opportunities that can be gained!!

There are a few international BPO companies that are expanding call centre operations. Trinidad can use Venezuelan labour to service Latin American Spanish speaking markets because TBH we don't have that large of a fluent Spanish competency in the country. You get jobs for the Venes, you get forex in the country as international call centres typically do not generate income in the countries they operate in so have to bring in Forex to pay wages, rent, utilities etc. You get economic growth.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby burkmenistan » April 9th, 2018, 3:56 pm

venezuela was doomed from long time, since under late "hero" Chavez.

i doh see what the issue.

i believe it's pretty much what they have planned, and deserve, based on their economic policies.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby TriP » April 17th, 2018, 5:50 pm

The People of Venezuela have been fleeing to neighbouring countries as a result of crisis facing the South American nation.

The Immigration Department outlined figures of both legal and illegal immigrants from the country , which has prompted a lot of conversation in the public domain.

We were joined on set by Businessman Ruben Smith, a Venezuelan national living in T&T.


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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Zim » April 18th, 2018, 1:47 pm

Dey shud sell. Some rich middle eastern country go be glad to scoop up that place
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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby toyolink » April 18th, 2018, 2:59 pm

The funny thing is that Venezuela had in the beginning of the Chavez administration suffered a similar exodus of citizens.
The big differences were, the numbers were must less and those who fled were the wealthy who were fearfull that the state would come after their 'loot'.
The USA welcomed these folks who had the money and they quickly became owners of malls and other businesses (Miami was a favorite stumping ground).
Unfortunately the folks presently looking for safe haven don't have any kind of money and therefore represent the most risky souls to host.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Miktay » April 26th, 2018, 12:11 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:most of them big "successful" countries are built on slave labour or cheap labour though....

so wwgd?


Look at the opportunities that can be gained!!

There are a few international BPO companies that are expanding call centre operations. Trinidad can use Venezuelan labour to service Latin American Spanish speaking markets because TBH we don't have that large of a fluent Spanish competency in the country. You get jobs for the Venes, you get forex in the country as international call centres typically do not generate income in the countries they operate in so have to bring in Forex to pay wages, rent, utilities etc. You get economic growth.


At the moment Nica and Guatemala has that niche...

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby sMASH » April 27th, 2018, 8:53 am

Ur getting skills for cheap...

Trinis already making uses of the cheap guyanese labor



The government is saying it doesn't have money to pay people. But are building all kinda projects with little return on investment... In the foreseeable future.

So, is one thing to offer work visas to them to come across and make use of their skills. Another thing to pay them

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby TriP » April 27th, 2018, 5:53 pm

Family has come up with creative uses for Venezuela’s worthless currency.


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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby TriP » April 27th, 2018, 5:55 pm

on the minute, everyday news site on venezuela


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/L ... /Venezuela

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby TriP » June 4th, 2018, 5:01 pm

https://www.stlucianewsonline.com/venez ... d-to-cuba/

Venezuela sent a total of 12 tons of supplies to provide humanitarian aid to Cuba with so as to help the population affected by the passage of storm Alberto, which, to date, leaves four people dead and hundreds evacuated.

The cargo, containing food and basic needs, departed on Thursday to Cuban territory in an aircraft of the Bolivarian National Armed Forces (FANB) from Simon Bolivar International Airport, in Maiquetia, Vargas state.

“Here is the Venezuelan people ratifying our commitment to integration, this equipment is a tangible expression of the moral, ethical and spiritual support of solidarity that characterizes brother peoples such as Cuba and Venezuela,” said the Minister of Popular Power for Interior Relations, Justice and Peace, Nestor Reverol.

The donation of supplies responds to a guideline issued on Wednesday by the President of the Republic, Nicolas Maduro, who instructed the Executive Vice President, Tareck El Aissami, to coordinate measures of aid for the Cuban people affected by the floods that have occurred in recent days.

In response, the Cuban ambassador to Venezuela, Rogelio Polanco, thanked the Bolivarian Government for its solidarity, indicating that humanitarian aid means a “helping hand” in times of difficulties for the population that needs it the most.

“These 12 tons are a support not only symbolic, but a concrete demonstration of what can be done by the fraternal peoples when we have as a center the human being,” he said in a broadcast of Venezolana de Televisión (VTV).

Polanco recalled the visit made this Wednesday by the head of State of Cuba, Miguel Diaz-Canel to Venezuelan territory, noting that he returned to the largest of the Antilles with the conviction of the strength of the bonds of friendship and cooperation for bilateral development.

“The brotherhood between Cuba and Venezuela is further enhanced by this gesture of solidarity from the Venezuelan people,” the diplomat added.

In the Caribbean nation, the storm Alberto has wreaked havoc in the towns of Sancti Spíritus, Villa Clara and Cienfuegos, over whose territories there are considerable accumulated rains, as well as damage to homes and road infrastructure from the flooding of rivers and reservoirs.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby hydroep » June 4th, 2018, 6:21 pm

Unbelievable.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby sMASH » June 4th, 2018, 8:23 pm

hmmn. trying to get into people's good graces....

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby shogun » June 4th, 2018, 8:56 pm



About sums it all up.

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby TriP » June 12th, 2018, 8:04 pm

Europe Pledges $40 Million to Help Venezuelans

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CARACAS, Venezuela — The European Union will spend more than $40 million to help Venezuelans suffering through a deepening humanitarian crisis even as the country's leaders have steadfastly denied it needs any foreign assistance.

Most of the money will provide health care, food and clean water to vulnerable Venezuelans living inside and outside of the country, European Commission officials said Thursday.

European leaders, meanwhile, have threatened a new round of sanctions against Venezuela's top officials, after what it considers President Nicolas Maduro's undemocratic re-election.

Commissioner Christos Stylianides said he recently visited Colombia's border with Venezuela, and signs of the crisis he saw were obvious.

"Many people are lacking crucial medicines and are in need of humanitarian assistance," Stylianides said. "We cannot remain bystanders to this human tragedy."

Venezuela was once one of Latin America's wealthiest countries, sitting atop the world's largest oil reserves. Mismanagement and a drop in global oil prices have left it in a deepening economic and political crisis, marked by shortages of food and medicine and mass migration.

Maduro won a second, six-year term May 20, which his closest rival has challenged in Venezuela's supreme court as deeply flawed with illegal tactics. Venezuela's leading opposition parties boycotted the election as fraudulent.

The United States, European Union and several of Venezuela's neighbors in Latin America have rejected Maduro's election as illegitimate.

Humanitarian groups in the past have raised concern that Venezuelan officials would use international assistance as political tool instead of sending it to communities where it is needed.

A spokesman for the European Commission, however, told The Associated Press that they're giving the money to crisis groups working in the region, like the United Nations and Red Cross so it doesn't fall into the hands of Venezuelan officials.

Venezuelan leaders haven't publicly commented on the European money being sent, but in the past they refused foreign assistance as a possible Trojan Horse that could open the politically turbulent nation to foreign military intervention.

Rather, Venezuela's government prefers to send assistance to other nations, not willing to admit its deep needs at home.

It was among the biggest providers of aid to Haiti following the 2010 earthquake. More recently, Venezuelan state TV showed 12 tons of supplies being loaded onto cargo planes headed to Cuba for island residents hit by a tropical storm.

Since Maduro's re-election, the European Union has called for a new presidential election in Venezuela, saying it will swiftly levy a new round of sanctions targeting those close to Maduro.

The European humanitarian assistance directed at Venezuela's people won't contradict its sanctions or those in place by the United States against 70 Venezuelan officials, including Maduro, experts say.

Eric Farnsworth, vice president at the Council of the Americas and Americas Society think tank, said Washington has already announced spending at least $16 million on Venezuela's exiles, while pressing sanctions.

"The key is to help the people without lending support to the regime," Farnsworth said. "It's complicated, although not impossible in my mind, especially if the EU continues on the sanctions effort."

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby hydroep » August 1st, 2018, 11:55 am

You know things are bad when Guyana (of all places) establishing a "settlement" for Venezuelan refugees:


Guyana to establish temporary settlement for Venezuelan refugees
Jul 31, 2018

GEORGETOWN, Guyana, Jul 31, CMC – The government has announced plans to establish a settlement area for over 200 Venezuelan refugees.

This was disclosed by Minister of Citizenship, Winston Felix, who said the homestead settlement will be for 260 confirmed Venezuelans, who are occupying areas in the community of Barima-Waini .

He made the announcement during an interview with the Public Information and Press Services Unit of the Ministry of the Presidency at the conclusion of the third multi-agency coordinating committee meeting on Monday.

Felix said that the resettlement area will allow the Venezuelans to be self-reliant

“It is intended that we [will] develop something like a homestead where families are accumulated and eventually we can move them into cash crop farming. We can encourage that so that in the first instance they can feed themselves and if they have surpluses they can sell. We are looking at crops for their sustenance and their immediate needs. Once you get that…going then the next thing is to guide them into areas in which they can sustain themselves. The immediate outcome is that we want to see them properly settled and they must be able to sustain themselves…,” he said.

He noted that the agencies on the committee will continue to play their roles in lending whatever assistance is necessary to those in Region One while assessing the migration of Venezuelans into Cuyuni-Mazaruni (Region Seven).

“In the meantime, the Ministry of Health is continuing its vaccination [efforts]… [The Department of] Immigration is continuing the registration and support work… The Police [are] also following through with the support work to this committee. So, all agencies, locally, are locked into this committee to provide services and support for the Venezuelans in Guyana. We are also exploring the situation in Region Seven [in order] to find out where [the Venezuelans] are and what numbers we have to [cater for],” he said.

The Committee has also been working alongside the United Nations Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF), International Organisation for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations Human Rights’ Council (UNHRC) to determine areas of collaboration and support.

Rather than criminalise the Venezuelans, Felix said that the Committee and by extension, the Government, have chosen to respond to the situation in a humane manner, with concern for the safety, health, and accommodation of the migrants.


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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby The_Honourable » September 21st, 2018, 6:56 pm

U.S. preparing 'actions' in coming days against Venezuela

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is preparing a “series of actions” in the coming days to increase pressure on the Venezuelan government, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Fox News on Friday.

“You’ll see in the coming days a series of actions that continue to increase the pressure level against the Venezuelan leadership folks, who are working directly against the best interest of the Venezuelan people,” Pompeo said. “We’re determined to ensure that the Venezuelan people get their say.”

He did not give further details on the nature of the planned actions.

Venezuela’s information ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Trump administration has steadily increased sanctions against officials in the leftist government of President Nicolas Maduro, accusing it of stifling democracy by jailing opposition leaders.

Last year, Washington imposed sanctions prohibiting trading new debt and equity issued by the Venezuelan government and its state oil company PDVSA. It has imposed several rounds of sanctions on government officials, including on Maduro.

Venezuela’s economy has collapsed under Maduro, with annual inflation running at 200,000 percent, and staple foods and basic medicine increasingly difficult to obtain, which has led to mass emigration.

Pompeo’s warning comes ahead of the annual United Nations General Assembly in New York next week attended by heads of state from around the world. Maduro has not attended the meetings since 2015 and this week said he may not attend the gathering because of concerns about his safety.

In August, two drones exploded over an outdoor rally in Caracas where Maduro was giving a speech, injuring seven soldiers and leading to the arrest of over a dozen suspects, including several military officials. Maduro described it as an assassination attempt.

Source: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-v ... KKCN1M12PX

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Numb3r4 » September 22nd, 2018, 7:26 pm

Have they collapsed yet?

Lasting pretty long......

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby Cantmis » September 22nd, 2018, 9:16 pm

"That's a nice amount of oil, time for some American freedom"

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby sMASH » September 23rd, 2018, 2:29 pm

Sharpening their teeth all now!
Sweet sweet oil

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Postby The_Honourable » September 23rd, 2018, 8:50 pm

Amnesty International -

Venezuela: Government responsible for 'worst human rights crisis in its history' - new report

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The Venezuelan government is responsible for the “worst human rights crisis in its history”, intentionally using lethal force against the most vulnerable in society, Amnesty International said today (September 20), as it published its latest research into violence and abuse in the country.

The 58-page report - This is no way to live: Public security and the right to life in Venezuela - shows how the Venezuelan government is failing to protect its people amidst alarming levels of insecurity in the country, instead implementing repressive and deadly measures.

Amnesty’s extensive study includes revealing the latest data into human rights abuses in the country, including:

- 8,292 extrajudicial executions took place in the last two years between 2015 and 2017.
- 4,667 (22%) of the homicides in 2016 were at the hands of security officials.
- Last year, 95% of murder victims were men, 60% between 12 and 29 years old.
- 87% of people live in poverty.
- There has been a 65% increase in maternal mortality.
- There has been a 30% increase in infant mortality.

Amnesty’s report shows how, despite the implementation of at least 17 security plans in the past 17 years, the government has failed to prevent armed violence and investigate other human rights violations in the country. Instead, Venezuelan authorities have publicly stated that killing people in the context of security operations is a successful practice.

One of the most notable consequences of these mass human rights violations and the lack of public security has been a dramatic increase in the number of people fleeing to other countries, mainly in the Americas. The UN estimates that 2.3 million people have left Venezuela since 2014.

Erika Guevara-Rosas, Amnesty International Americas Director, said:

“Venezuela is going through one of the worst human rights crises in its history. The list of crimes under international law against the population is growing.

“It is alarming that, instead of applying efficient public policies to protect people and reduce levels of insecurity, the Venezuelan authorities are using the language of war to try to legitimise the use of excessive force by police and military officials and, in many cases, the use of lethal force with intent to kill.

“The government of President Maduro should guarantee the right to life, instead of taking the lives of the country's young people.

“The government must urgently launch a national programme to reduce homicides and effectively implement a policing model that includes guidelines on the proportional and differentiated use of force and firearms that fully comply with international human rights norms and standards.”

Source: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releas ... new-report

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby antlind » September 23rd, 2018, 8:59 pm

After reading that article Rowley and the PNM eh looking bad at all.

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Postby supernedd » September 24th, 2018, 7:52 am

hydroep wrote:You know things are bad when Guyana (of all places) establishing a "settlement" for Venezuelan refugees:


Guyana to establish temporary settlement for Venezuelan refugees
Jul 31, 2018

GEORGETOWN, Guyana, Jul 31, CMC – The government has announced plans to establish a settlement area for over 200 Venezuelan refugees.

This was disclosed by Minister of Citizenship, Winston Felix, who said the homestead settlement will be for 260 confirmed Venezuelans, who are occupying areas in the community of Barima-Waini .

He made the announcement during an interview with the Public Information and Press Services Unit of the Ministry of the Presidency at the conclusion of the third multi-agency coordinating committee meeting on Monday.

Felix said that the resettlement area will allow the Venezuelans to be self-reliant

“It is intended that we [will] develop something like a homestead where families are accumulated and eventually we can move them into cash crop farming. We can encourage that so that in the first instance they can feed themselves and if they have surpluses they can sell. We are looking at crops for their sustenance and their immediate needs. Once you get that…going then the next thing is to guide them into areas in which they can sustain themselves. The immediate outcome is that we want to see them properly settled and they must be able to sustain themselves…,” he said.

He noted that the agencies on the committee will continue to play their roles in lending whatever assistance is necessary to those in Region One while assessing the migration of Venezuelans into Cuyuni-Mazaruni (Region Seven).

“In the meantime, the Ministry of Health is continuing its vaccination [efforts]… [The Department of] Immigration is continuing the registration and support work… The Police [are] also following through with the support work to this committee. So, all agencies, locally, are locked into this committee to provide services and support for the Venezuelans in Guyana. We are also exploring the situation in Region Seven [in order] to find out where [the Venezuelans] are and what numbers we have to [cater for],” he said.

The Committee has also been working alongside the United Nations Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF), International Organisation for Migration (IOM) and the United Nations Human Rights’ Council (UNHRC) to determine areas of collaboration and support.

Rather than criminalise the Venezuelans, Felix said that the Committee and by extension, the Government, have chosen to respond to the situation in a humane manner, with concern for the safety, health, and accommodation of the migrants.


https://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/regional/guyana-to-establish-temporary-settlement-for-venezuelan-refugees/article_4313a150-94cf-11e8-90a3-83f731a863f7.html
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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby supernedd » September 24th, 2018, 7:53 am

i pray Trinidad don't get like that

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby supernedd » September 24th, 2018, 7:54 am

n so many Venezuelans women here .. hmm n charging money for ... hmmm .. they should be glad if we sponsor drinks by d bar

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby The_Honourable » January 21st, 2019, 7:46 pm

Social media outage and disruptions in Venezuela amid incident in Caracas

The NetBlocks internet observatory has collected technical evidence of restricted access to Twitter, Instagram in Venezuela as of 21 January 2019, amid reports of a military command dispute in Caracas.

The restrictions were observed the largest telecommunications provider CANTV but may be present with other providers, pending further testing. YouTube also appears to be partially affected, although social platforms such as Facebook remain available at time of writing.

More: https://netblocks.org/reports/venezuela ... t-zgBLoXA4

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Re: Venezuela is inching closer to collapse

Postby The_Honourable » January 21st, 2019, 7:48 pm

Venezuela 'foils national guard rebellion' against Maduro

Twenty-seven members of Venezuela's National Guard have been arrested after they allegedly revolted against the government of President Nicolás Maduro, the defence ministry said.

Videos posted on social media showed the officers calling for the removal from office of President Maduro.

The men reportedly seized weapons from a National Guard command post in the Cotiza area of the capital, Caracas.

Footage also shows residents and security forces clashing in the area.

The ministry of defence said a "small group" of National Guard members had stolen weapons from a security post in the Petare neighbourhood of Caracas and taken four officers hostage before making their way to Cotiza in the early hours of Monday.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46945690

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