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Broward School shooter was "disturbed", are gun laws in the US too relaxed?

Postby abducted » February 15th, 2018, 4:54 pm

Nikolas Cruz, Who Was Too Disturbed to Carry a Backpack, Legally Bought AR-15

Everyone knew Nikolas Cruz was deeply disturbed. He'd been in and out of mental health treatment. He'd been kicked out of school. His Instagram page was full of photos of dead animals and weapons. He was so frightening to teachers that he'd been banned from even carrying a backpack into school.

So how does a guy like that get his hands on a military-style weapon capable of pumping dozens of rounds into innocent victims without even reloading? Well, this is Florida, so he just walks into a gun shop and buys one.

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Again, this was not a teenager secretly stewing and tricking everyone into thinking he was not a violent threat. Cruz made it abundantly clear that he wanted to harm people and that he was obsessed with getting the weapons to do so.

Yet nothing in Florida's gun laws — which have been loosened by decades of NRA-funded Republican control to the point they barely exist — would prevent him not only from buying guns but also from buying the most deadly military-style weapons available on the market.

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Postby 88sins » February 15th, 2018, 5:09 pm

op, just a heads up
we have problems of our own right here, right now, with illegal firearms being used to rob, rape & murder citizens & foreigners alike.
Besides, there is only so much one can do to safeguard against the evils that dwell within man's heart. If he'd have bought a minivan & loaded it with IED's & made a car bomb out of it, people would say he shouldn't have been allowed to drive or have access to materials.

The people that knew before hand he was unstable & potentially homicidal should have done more, because if they did this fiasco could well have been avoided.

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Postby rebound » February 15th, 2018, 6:06 pm

Would he be considered a terrorist?

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Postby Chimera » February 15th, 2018, 6:14 pm

Only a terrorist if he's muslim/arab

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Re: Broward School shooter was "disturbed", are gun laws in the US too relaxed?

Postby wagonrunner » February 15th, 2018, 6:22 pm

different laaws for different states.
Florida's gun laws are next to nothing.

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Postby Miktay » February 15th, 2018, 7:33 pm

You can’t protect yourself by disarming yourself.

He could’ve rented a truck and filled it with fertilizer & nitromethane.

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Postby abducted » February 15th, 2018, 7:35 pm

Have you seen how US school campuses are laid out? He would not have been able to get a truck with enough fertiliser any where near a classroom, the death toll would have been far less
88sins wrote:op, just a heads up
we have problems of our own right here, right now, with illegal firearms being used to rob, rape & murder citizens & foreigners alike.
Besides, there is only so much one can do to safeguard against the evils that dwell within man's heart. If he'd have bought a minivan & loaded it with IED's & made a car bomb out of it, people would say he shouldn't have been allowed to drive or have access to materials.

The people that knew before hand he was unstable & potentially homicidal should have done more, because if they did this fiasco could well have been avoided.

Just a heads up, while anything can be used as a weapon, guns are made to be weapons, and not just to injure, but they are made with the intent to kill. The AR15 is made with the intent to kill many targets, quickly and efficiently. Nuclear weapons as we know are the pinnacle of man made weapons technology, the Treaty signed by many countries has the common ultimate goal of disarmament, not a right to bear, and that's smart. If criminals in our country have guns, the solution is to disarm the criminals, not arm every-one else.
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Postby Redman » February 15th, 2018, 7:41 pm

Nope.
The solution is to level the playing field by increasing the amount of responsible fire arm owners.

Disarmament of the law abiding citizens...just enables those whose behaviour is not limited by law.

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Postby abducted » February 15th, 2018, 7:43 pm

Redman wrote:Nope.
The solution is to level the playing field by increasing the amount of responsible fire arm owners.

Disarmament of the law abiding citizens...just enables those whose behaviour is not limited by law.

You are suggesting they should have armed the teachers or the students?

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Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 15th, 2018, 7:44 pm

He's a patsie, there were at least two shooters, and he wasn't one of them.
He's drugged up on SSRIs and doesn't know a dream from reality.

There are interviews taken by news reporters on the scene with students saying that they were evacuating alongside him while gunshots were being heard coming from the other end of the building.

They even say that they told him at the time that they were shocked that it wasn't him, because they were expecting him to shoot up the school.

These interviews were strangely never aired on tv, but the reporters tweeted them out and uploaded them to YouTube to get them out after being blocked by their respective news agencies.

Huge cover-up.

Students even said that there were secret service active shooter drills at the same school just two weeks prior.

Word behind the scenes is that the democrats threatened trump not to release the "MEMO" or there would be massacres.

He promised to release it, and now there are massacres.

1+1=2

TROLL HOW MUCH YOU LIKE...TRUTH IS TRUTH.

By the way, he wasn't even arrested at the school, he was arrested walking home alone, totally unarmed with a black student following not far behind witnessing the event and coming out giving an interview stating this
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Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 15th, 2018, 7:46 pm

rebound wrote:Would he be considered a terrorist?

He actually was banned from entering the school compound with a knapsack or bag of any kind.

He couldn't have brought in any weapons, and it wasn't him.

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Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 15th, 2018, 7:52 pm

wagonrunner wrote:different laaws for different states.
Florida's gun laws are next to nothing.

Wasn't it an armed teacher that stopped the rampage? What did your news network tell you?

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » February 15th, 2018, 8:03 pm

Banning guns is the answer, it has worked well in Trinidad.

For example in Trinidad guns are banned, the average law abiding person cannot obtain a license for a fire arm, this means that Criminals do not have guns either since it is banned.

There are no gun violence in Trinidad, robbery and murders are NOT committed by guns in Trinidad. It is always done by bow and arrow in Trinidad, sometimes using cutlass. There has never been a case of anyone being gunned down in Trinidad.

Liberal Logic 101

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » February 15th, 2018, 8:14 pm

Redman wrote:Nope.
The solution is to level the playing field by increasing the amount of responsible fire arm owners.

Disarmament of the law abiding citizens...just enables those whose behaviour is not limited by law.


Finally a man with some commonsense in here.

Libtards should leave the US and go live in Canada or Europe if they are so angry at having a second amendment. The second Amendment is there to ensure that the rights of the people to defend themselves is not taken away by career politicians.

Stalin was a left wing Liberal and his first order of the day was to take away all the weapons from the citizens, after he did that he managed to starve 7 million of them to death in the Ukraine. Even to this day the liberals in America still praise him just like they do Castro.

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Postby ruffneck_12 » February 15th, 2018, 8:20 pm

I understand hunting rifles and concealed small guns for personal protection

But why is it so easy to get these 'rapid' fire guns so easily in murica?
wtf you need that for?

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Postby wagonrunner » February 15th, 2018, 8:25 pm

abducted wrote:are gun laws in the US too relaxed?

jahs0ldi3r wrote:
wagonrunner wrote:different laaws for different states.
Florida's gun laws are next to nothing.
Wasn't it an armed teacher that stopped the rampage? What did your news network tell you?
What am i missing here?
Your questions seem unrelated and irrelevant.

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Postby jahs0ldi3r » February 15th, 2018, 8:30 pm

wagonrunner wrote:
abducted wrote:are gun laws in the US too relaxed?

jahs0ldi3r wrote:
wagonrunner wrote:different laaws for different states.
Florida's gun laws are next to nothing.
Wasn't it an armed teacher that stopped the rampage? What did your news network tell you?
What am i missing here?
Your questions seem unrelated and irrelevant.

Gun control wouldn't work, and doesn't work. The criminals will always have access to guns. It takes good men with guns to stop bad men with guns.

Gun control would've cause the death toll to be much higher. Everyone would be a soft target.

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Postby wagonrunner » February 15th, 2018, 8:40 pm

jahs0ldi3r wrote:Gun control wouldn't work, and doesn't work. The criminals will always have access to guns. It takes good men with guns to stop bad men with guns.

Gun control would've cause the death toll to be much higher. Everyone would be a soft target.

yet strangely in countries with better gun control, good guys with guns have much less need to stop bad guys with guns. :? go figure.

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Postby Redman » February 15th, 2018, 9:07 pm

I don't understand the penchant for solving a problem of people doing illegal things...with more law.

The cats out of the bag...there is a quantity in the population.

Other countries don't have that issue.


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Postby sMASH » February 15th, 2018, 9:28 pm

ruffneck_12 wrote:I understand hunting rifles and concealed small guns for personal protection

But why is it so easy to get these 'rapid' fire guns so easily in murica?
wtf you need that for?

because the second amendment wasnt intended to protect u against ur countryman, it was intended to allow the citizens some means of defense against a heavy handed government.

if properly implemented, USA supposed to look just like ISIS was looking in their vids...


our country, as do most countries derived from the colonies, were patterned to ensure the people are defenseless against their governments, and mentally conditioned to believe those in government have ur best interest at heart and must not be questioned.

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Postby Redman » February 15th, 2018, 9:30 pm

The us has a general homicide rate about 5 times the rate of those countries.

So with about 3x the guns, one would expect more gun related homicides.

You sir have a firm grasp of the obvious.
Congrats.

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Postby 88sins » February 15th, 2018, 9:33 pm

abducted wrote:Nuclear weapons as we know are the pinnacle of man made weapons technology, the Treaty signed by many countries has the common ultimate goal of disarmament, not a right to bear, and that's smart.

you hadda be ether an idiot or a lunatic to compare firearms with nuclear arms. there's a reason for nuclear disarmament treaties eh, one of them specifically being the fact that nuclear arms can wipe out an entire population, active combatants & non combatant civilians alike (think infants, women, the elderly, nurses, teachers, etc), indiscriminately, in one blast, & the resultant fallout can negatively effect uninvolved populations hundreds of miles away. try doing that on exactly the same scale with any long barreled rifle in 5.56 of 7.62.

abducted wrote:If criminals in our country have guns, the solution is to disarm the criminals, not arm every-one else.

& when you definitively fail ,for decades, to disarm the criminals, then what? when they still wreak havoc across your nation, murdering thousands, your solution is to keep the law abiding productive members of society totally defenseless & hope to get a handle of the situation, all the while watching your countrymen bleed out on the street & those in charge of dealing with the scourge talk a container load of bs by using pretty but hollow words & catch phrases. Even experts from Interpol actually recommended that the population be allowed to keep & carry firearms. You think they not sure what they saying or recommend that out of frustration?

abducted, the definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the exact same thing over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over &over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over &over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & each time expecting a different result. What's being tried here today, has been tried, frequently, for over 20 years, with the same results every year. Failure to achieve the objective of substantially reducing the murder rate whether those murders occur via illegal firearms or other means. Time for a new perspective, namely allowing qualified individuals to keep small arms. I not saying pistols, & not anyone & everyone that want should get to buy & keep & use such, but qualified persons.

You wan't to see gun control done right? look further north of the U.S. & compare the stats between them & you'll see the difference, & firearms are just as prevalent there as in the U.S..

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Postby MarlonSam » February 15th, 2018, 10:14 pm

Open-carry should be banned.


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Postby Morpheus » February 15th, 2018, 10:52 pm

Damn all dem suicides? WTF.....

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Postby abducted » February 15th, 2018, 11:14 pm

Morpheus wrote:Damn all dem suicides? WTF.....

Yes, suicides by gun.

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Postby shogun » February 15th, 2018, 11:17 pm

88sins wrote:op, just a heads up
we have problems of our own right here, right now, with illegal firearms being used to rob, rape & murder citizens & foreigners alike.
Besides, there is only so much one can do to safeguard against the evils that dwell within man's heart. If he'd have bought a minivan & loaded it with IED's & made a car bomb out of it, people would say he shouldn't have been allowed to drive or have access to materials.

The people that knew before hand he was unstable & potentially homicidal should have done more, because if they did this fiasco could well have been avoided.


Typical garbage.

Only so much one can do? Why does a regular civilian need an assault weapon? Please explain?

Why is it that you must be 21 to legally own a handgun, yet someone 18 years old is legally able to purchase an AR-15? In what dimension of yours does that make sense?

Also, are these background checks including social media accounts from prospective buyers? This guy's Facebook account was a one of the brightest red flags i've ever seen?

if he'd have bought a minivan & loaded it with IED's & made a car bomb out of it, people would say he shouldn't have been allowed to drive or have access to materials.

Unfortunately buying that much "materials" would have probably been suspicious enough to raise/prompt response because the sale of ingredients (Ammonium Nitrate) has been regulated since the 90's (prompted by the Timothy McVeigh terrorist act) Notice how quickly legislators acted in putting strict regulation in place then? Why not the same with guns? Curious indeed. Guess the fertilizer lobbyists didn't have the same deep pockets?

There's also the fact that many of these "disturbed" individuals in these mass shooter cases are inadvertently also obsessed with guns, NOT bomb making. They're not that sophisticated in their plans to kill as many people as possible. They can simply LEGALLY buy a firearm designed to kill as many people as possible, without many obstacles. The fact is that the GOP is in the pocket of the NRA. They refuse to make the smallest concession, in order to save lives. Instead they throw out misinformation and attempt to muddy the waters with rhetoric and talking points.

There's also deplorable sh!t like this. And of course Agent Orange signed/passed this away from the glare of the cameras, unlike most of his other signings. Shame is quite a thing.

President Donald Trump has signed a resolution blocking an Obama-era rule that would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from buying guns.

The rule was part of former President Barack Obama's push to strengthen the federal background check system in the wake of the 2012 Newtown, Connecticut shooting.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 04876.html
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Postby De Dragon » February 15th, 2018, 11:47 pm

Redman wrote:I don't understand the penchant for solving a problem of people doing illegal things...with more law.

The cats out of the bag...there is a quantity in the population.

Other countries don't have that issue.

Says the man who was advocating strongly for the Anti-Gang Bill :roll: :roll:
To the other clueless one with the truck bomb comparison, how many of those have the US had compared to these seemingly endless mass shootings?
You want more regulation of something that is under control, but want to leave gun control so unregulated? :?
And ED, you will never be GOP material no matter how hard you try :wink:

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