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What Trinis, Venezuelans share in common
VEDAVID MANICK
I HAVE NEVER seen TT in a state of uncertainty as it is in these days. The issue of Venezuelan refugees seeking the protection of our shores has genuinely tested us. Many embraced them openly, but others have been quite vocal about protecting our rights as citizens. Permit me to attempt to make sense of the whole situation.
To me, Venezuelans and Trinidadians share a universal evil: poor governance. Venezuelans face a failed attempt at socialism that now plays out globally, beyond any intervention our small island nation can provide. Unless some critical international response takes place, it seems unlikely that a solution is forthcoming.
Venezuelans are not only fleeing to our shores, but they are seeking refuge in any domain they can. The Venezuelan plight is testimony to the fact that politics does not satiate hunger or quench thirst. It is food, water, financial, and social security that matters most.
They come to our shores seeking those exactly. But for a small island country once blessed with the wealth of oil and gas, the sad state of affairs is that the struggle for food, water and stability is the daily struggle of many citizens. Now Trinidadians will compete in the markets for food, jobs and will have to fight for that rare bed slot in an overcrowded hospital space.
It is natural to feel hurt when non-citizens are coming to our shores and seemingly given opportunities that we struggle for but are entitled to. And no one, be it government or the mainstream media, has the right to belittle these legitimate feelings of citizens. They are human and justified.
It is justified to feel hurt, but from where I stand, it needs to aim at the real source. Xenophobia is a word thrown about a lot recently, the second time in recent history. Before now those infamous “Calcutta ship” statements would have blotched our memories.
Ironically, many who use this word now were silent then, while others who felt hurt from those statements practise the same now. Venezuelans are not the problem; our democratically elected government is.
It is hard not to be political about this, but the Government is the real villain in this issue. It failed us miserably from day one.
Months ago, everyone knew things were not right in Venezuela. We saw her citizens seeking refuge here and elsewhere. We saw the political crisis escalating. Instead of our government taking steps to ensure that we do not become a “refugee camp,” it kept silent.
It first denied there was a crisis. It made deals with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. It claimed neutrality while sending our Foreign Minister to felicitate him. It alienated us from the rest of the world by taking a “neutral” stance on the issue but not behaving like such. It failed to secure our borders when we needed to. It has articulated to this day no thought-out policy on how we are going to deal with a refugee issue.
Today we have zero clarity as to where our Government stands on anything related to Venezuela. Allow me to ask the questions that seemingly have no answers.
What is our current national policy on Venezuela? Are we still accepting Maduro as the legitimate leader of the Venezuelan people? By taking Venezuelans into our shores, have we gone in open defiance of Maduro?
Is our official government position that there is now a crisis in Venezuela? If we have now accepted that there is a crisis, what steps are we taking at an international level to seek help and remedy the situation? Have we “closed our borders?” What needs to be done to secure our borders?
What is being done to cater for the increased needs of Venezuelans who are now within our country? Will there be enough food, jobs, education opportunities? Will Venezuelans be working under the same terms as Trinidadians? What is in place to ensure that both Venezuelans and Trinidadians have equal opportunities in the job market?
What is being done to ensure that unscrupulous employers are not taking advantage of our Venezuelan brothers and sisters, eg by paying them below minimum wage? Are Venezuelans going to pay taxes? If not, why are they being allowed to live in Trinidad, use the facilities like every other citizen and not pay taxes?
The list goes on.
The Prime Minister is on record stating that TT will not become a refugee camp. Too late sir. You and your government, in open contempt of your duty, allowed it to happen. Today we have no more clarity on what your position is and what you have meaningfully done compared to two years ago. I do not expect you to change things in Venezuela like major global powers may be able to. But as a citizen I expected you to act in the interest of TT when the time was right.
Beyond the poverty of governance, there is one other way that Venezuelans are similar to us Trinidadians. They are human beings – slaves to hunger, thirst, fear, and struggling like everyone else. So while I agree that TT cannot handle a refugee crisis, we must never be devoid of the humanity of human suffering, which goes beyond race and nationality.
It is hard to divorce politics from this issue. I fail to see how people can continue to favour our leaders when there was a dereliction of duty on their part. The most that we can hope for now is that when the time comes for our responsibility, we do not fail ourselves.
hydroep wrote:What Trinis, Venezuelans share in common
VEDAVID MANICK
I HAVE NEVER seen TT in a state of uncertainty as it is in these days. The issue of Venezuelan refugees seeking the protection of our shores has genuinely tested us. Many embraced them openly, but others have been quite vocal about protecting our rights as citizens. Permit me to attempt to make sense of the whole situation.
To me, Venezuelans and Trinidadians share a universal evil: poor governance. Venezuelans face a failed attempt at socialism that now plays out globally, beyond any intervention our small island nation can provide. Unless some critical international response takes place, it seems unlikely that a solution is forthcoming.
Venezuelans are not only fleeing to our shores, but they are seeking refuge in any domain they can. The Venezuelan plight is testimony to the fact that politics does not satiate hunger or quench thirst. It is food, water, financial, and social security that matters most.
They come to our shores seeking those exactly. But for a small island country once blessed with the wealth of oil and gas, the sad state of affairs is that the struggle for food, water and stability is the daily struggle of many citizens. Now Trinidadians will compete in the markets for food, jobs and will have to fight for that rare bed slot in an overcrowded hospital space.
It is natural to feel hurt when non-citizens are coming to our shores and seemingly given opportunities that we struggle for but are entitled to. And no one, be it government or the mainstream media, has the right to belittle these legitimate feelings of citizens. They are human and justified.
It is justified to feel hurt, but from where I stand, it needs to aim at the real source. Xenophobia is a word thrown about a lot recently, the second time in recent history. Before now those infamous “Calcutta ship” statements would have blotched our memories.
Ironically, many who use this word now were silent then, while others who felt hurt from those statements practise the same now. Venezuelans are not the problem; our democratically elected government is.
It is hard not to be political about this, but the Government is the real villain in this issue. It failed us miserably from day one.
Months ago, everyone knew things were not right in Venezuela. We saw her citizens seeking refuge here and elsewhere. We saw the political crisis escalating. Instead of our government taking steps to ensure that we do not become a “refugee camp,” it kept silent.
It first denied there was a crisis. It made deals with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. It claimed neutrality while sending our Foreign Minister to felicitate him. It alienated us from the rest of the world by taking a “neutral” stance on the issue but not behaving like such. It failed to secure our borders when we needed to. It has articulated to this day no thought-out policy on how we are going to deal with a refugee issue.
Today we have zero clarity as to where our Government stands on anything related to Venezuela. Allow me to ask the questions that seemingly have no answers.
What is our current national policy on Venezuela? Are we still accepting Maduro as the legitimate leader of the Venezuelan people? By taking Venezuelans into our shores, have we gone in open defiance of Maduro?
Is our official government position that there is now a crisis in Venezuela? If we have now accepted that there is a crisis, what steps are we taking at an international level to seek help and remedy the situation? Have we “closed our borders?” What needs to be done to secure our borders?
What is being done to cater for the increased needs of Venezuelans who are now within our country? Will there be enough food, jobs, education opportunities? Will Venezuelans be working under the same terms as Trinidadians? What is in place to ensure that both Venezuelans and Trinidadians have equal opportunities in the job market?
What is being done to ensure that unscrupulous employers are not taking advantage of our Venezuelan brothers and sisters, eg by paying them below minimum wage? Are Venezuelans going to pay taxes? If not, why are they being allowed to live in Trinidad, use the facilities like every other citizen and not pay taxes?
The list goes on.
The Prime Minister is on record stating that TT will not become a refugee camp. Too late sir. You and your government, in open contempt of your duty, allowed it to happen. Today we have no more clarity on what your position is and what you have meaningfully done compared to two years ago. I do not expect you to change things in Venezuela like major global powers may be able to. But as a citizen I expected you to act in the interest of TT when the time was right.
Beyond the poverty of governance, there is one other way that Venezuelans are similar to us Trinidadians. They are human beings – slaves to hunger, thirst, fear, and struggling like everyone else. So while I agree that TT cannot handle a refugee crisis, we must never be devoid of the humanity of human suffering, which goes beyond race and nationality.
It is hard to divorce politics from this issue. I fail to see how people can continue to favour our leaders when there was a dereliction of duty on their part. The most that we can hope for now is that when the time comes for our responsibility, we do not fail ourselves.
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/06/22/us-no-better-than-us/
Govt: We registered V/zuelan babies, children
Camille Moreno
Babies and children were also registered during the recent amnesty drive for Venezuelans in Trinidad and Tobago, the Ministry of National Security said in a release on Saturday.
"All Venezuelans who presented themselves at one of the three registration centers, including men, women, children and even babies, over the period of May 31 to June 14, 2019 were registered," the ministry said in a statement in response to an Express editorial, Wrestling with migrant matters.
The ministry also denied the editorial's report that the United States, through USAID administrator Mark Green had offered Government US$1.6 million toward the cost of the Venezuelan registration exercise after a meeting with National Security Minister Stuart Young.
"No such offer was made to Minister Young and the Government has not accepted any financial assistance from USAID, the US government or any other international body in dealing with the Venezuelan migrants in Trinidad and Tobago. This has been previously indicated by the Government," the ministry said.
The ministry accused the Express of "mischief" and of attempting to mislead the population.
matr1x wrote:And the venes have begun to land grab.
MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:And the venes have begun to land grab.
I really dont see an issue here.
88sins wrote:MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:And the venes have begun to land grab.
I really dont see an issue here.
No surprise in this statement.
No sense in it either
matr1x wrote:The issue is sqatting. The issue is they being violent when confronted. When you have a piece of land and come and see Trini squatting what do you do?
What about Trinis buying land with no source of funds?
That is why you have no trespassing laws. You get a court order to have them removed by law. Do it the legal way, use the state/police to move them out. Don't get into confrontation.matr1x wrote:The issue is sqatting. The issue is they being violent when confronted. When you have a piece of land and come and see vene squatting what do you do?
What about venes buying land with no source of funds?
zoom rader wrote:That is why you have no trespassing laws. You get a court order to have them removed by law. Do it the legal way, use the state/police to move them out. Don't get into confrontation.matr1x wrote:The issue is sqatting. The issue is they being violent when confronted. When you have a piece of land and come and see vene squatting what do you do?
What about venes buying land with no source of funds?
It the same as getting tenants out with a court order and use of police.
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:And the venes have begun to land grab.
I really dont see an issue here.
No surprise in this statement.
No sense in it either
Whats the sense in you paying for sex as you proudly mentioned previously?
matr1x wrote:it's TRUE that Trini do squatting and there is a source of funds issue
However, vene coming over and pretending they need help and acting like criminals, makes me doubt their sincerity.
Also, let's not butter the bread with BS. The only ways of sourcing funds so fast coming from the mainland is drugs and weapons. In other words, their intent is destructive.
Hopefully the local communities come together and drive them out. You know how to deal with mosquitoes
Stop defending bullchit, you sounding like a total clown defending law breaker.RedVEVO wrote:matr1x wrote:it's TRUE that Trini do squatting and there is a source of funds issue
However, vene coming over and pretending they need help and acting like criminals, makes me doubt their sincerity.
Also, let's not butter the bread with BS. The only ways of sourcing funds so fast coming from the mainland is drugs and weapons. In other words, their intent is destructive.
Hopefully the local communities come together and drive them out. You know how to deal with mosquitoes
Trini have plenty land wasting ..
WE have whole mountain of land wasting ..
So a few Vene decide to take a piece and progress ..
And you green with envy ?
88sins wrote:keeping a harem of and paying for poonanny are 2 VERY different things. But you're a simpleton so I'm not surprised you can't see the difference.
And in case you to dumb to figure it out on your own, squatting, whether on state or private lands, is illegal in Trinidad and Tobago, regardless of whether you are a citizen, a resident, an illegal alien or a refugee. So if they are squatting on state lands, all they are doing is making it very easy to locate them and deport them.
But as I mentioned, you're a simpleton, and your ilk was never renowned for your foresight or ability to retain or process information.
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zoom rader wrote:Stop defending bullchit, you sounding like a total clown defending law breaker.RedVEVO wrote:matr1x wrote:it's TRUE that Trini do squatting and there is a source of funds issue
However, vene coming over and pretending they need help and acting like criminals, makes me doubt their sincerity.
Also, let's not butter the bread with BS. The only ways of sourcing funds so fast coming from the mainland is drugs and weapons. In other words, their intent is destructive.
Hopefully the local communities come together and drive them out. You know how to deal with mosquitoes
Trini have plenty land wasting ..
WE have whole mountain of land wasting ..
So a few Vene decide to take a piece and progress ..
And you green with envy ?
I don't care if them is venes , they came here then obey Trini law or get the fvck out.
I explained all this before, that venes are deep rooted in obeah. But as usual some clowns on here don't research and have never lived in vene to understand their culture.VII wrote:zoom rader wrote:Stop defending bullchit, you sounding like a total clown defending law breaker.RedVEVO wrote:matr1x wrote:it's TRUE that Trini do squatting and there is a source of funds issue
However, vene coming over and pretending they need help and acting like criminals, makes me doubt their sincerity.
Also, let's not butter the bread with BS. The only ways of sourcing funds so fast coming from the mainland is drugs and weapons. In other words, their intent is destructive.
Hopefully the local communities come together and drive them out. You know how to deal with mosquitoes
Trini have plenty land wasting ..
WE have whole mountain of land wasting ..
So a few Vene decide to take a piece and progress ..
And you green with envy ?
I don't care if them is venes , they came here then obey Trini law or get the fvck out.
Zoom like some ah dem men get de 2 days crapaud in de pokie lokie trick...gadam...
A couple days ago someone spoiled my day with vid with some Venes and dey witch doctor and a frog..sent it to a Spanish guy and he told me si but dey no-goo..
88sins wrote:say what you will, but so far the # is 15 eh. 2 getting put out d rotation tomorrow whether they want to go or not, performances not up to standard.
Want some of my leftovers?
South bars get boost with migrant women
Seeta Persad
Venezuelan women in south Trinidad are mostly finding employment in bars and pubs, president of the Penal/Debe Chamber of Commerce (PDCC) Rampersad Sieuraj said yesterday.
“Many of the Venezuelans women have gravitated to the bars and pubs looking for employment and there is an increase in this sort of business in the Penal/Debe areas,” he told Sunday Newsday. The women are seen working behind the counter, but many are also "entertaining customers", he said according to reports he has received. He did not elaborate.
While there have been no reports of criminal activates, Sieuraj said businesses are mindful that with the good comes the bad and chamber members are vigilant when it comes to security.
South Trinidad has experienced a tremendous influx of Venezuelans who came through the south west peninsula. The migrants who came to TT by boats landed at Icacos, Los Eros, Point Fortin, Cedros, Erin, and Quinam. In an effort to manage the inflow, Government continued a two-week registration exercise for the migrants from May 31-June 14 which allows them to work in TT for one year.
Government should adopt additional measures to ensure that the numbers of Venezuelans arriving is controlled, Sieuraj said, adding the chamber believed there should be no further entry to migrants seeking shelter here. Government last week implemented a visa policy for Venezuelans.
In terms of the types of jobs, Venezuelans can do, Sieuraj said there should be a database of their skills and felt this was a shortcoming of the registration exercise.
“There wasn’t a proper plan in place. The Government should have implemented proper screening so that business community would have been able to select those who may have skills.”
He did note that many of the migrants have found work in the agricultural sector filling a void in labour in the area. “Now that the rainy season has started, farmers went looking for the Venezuelans whom they can hire.”
Even so, businessmen have complained the language posed a problem, Sieuraj said, forcing many Venezuelans to be hired for unskilled jobs including construction companies and supermarket.
“A tremendous benefit has been the work ethic in the sense that the workers are doing the full eight-hour day work for half the pay that the Trinidadians are demanding," he said.
Greater San Fernando Chamber of Commerce president Kiran Singh yesterday said members have expressed some interest in employing Venezuelans but not in significant numbers. “Businesses in the bar, restaurant and construction sectors have begun to employ them. However, outside of these sectors, no significant figures have been forthcoming. Venezuelans seeking employment claim to be professionals but that is difficult to prove because of the language barrier and the potential of counterfeit documents,” Singh said.
Pharmacists in San Fernando, he said, are not prepared to employ the Venezuelans because of the language barrier.
MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:say what you will, but so far the # is 15 eh. 2 getting put out d rotation tomorrow whether they want to go or not, performances not up to standard.
Want some of my leftovers?
You seriously not disgusted by yourself with those comments?
Venezuelans are not sex workers, they are raped workers. Those who have something to gain (financial or sexual) from the prostitution of women will try to argue that prostitution is sex and not rape because it involves consenting adults.
When a man consents to briefly buying a woman’s body, he wants sex. But when a woman consents to sex only when she’s paid, she’s signalling a desire NOT for sex but for money.
You with your rapist self damn well know prostituted sex is unwanted. That is why you pay money to force it to happen anyway. Then exploit these financially vulnerable women in order to get away with rape.
The only distinction between what happens in prostitution, and any other form of non-consensual sex/rape is that the women in prostitution have made a choice to endure the rape in exchange for money.
Such a shame these women have no choice but to purposely put themselves in harm’s way as a means of economic survival.
maj. tom wrote:MaxPower wrote:88sins wrote:say what you will, but so far the # is 15 eh. 2 getting put out d rotation tomorrow whether they want to go or not, performances not up to standard.
Want some of my leftovers?
You seriously not disgusted by yourself with those comments?
Venezuelans are not sex workers, they are raped workers. Those who have something to gain (financial or sexual) from the prostitution of women will try to argue that prostitution is sex and not rape because it involves consenting adults.
When a man consents to briefly buying a woman’s body, he wants sex. But when a woman consents to sex only when she’s paid, she’s signalling a desire NOT for sex but for money.
You with your rapist self damn well know prostituted sex is unwanted. That is why you pay money to force it to happen anyway. Then exploit these financially vulnerable women in order to get away with rape.
The only distinction between what happens in prostitution, and any other form of non-consensual sex/rape is that the women in prostitution have made a choice to endure the rape in exchange for money.
Such a shame these women have no choice but to purposely put themselves in harm’s way as a means of economic survival.
WhiteKnight Award 2019 goes to this guy. Unless a woman is forced into prostitution due to human trafficking, they do have a choice in this feminist-centric world of 2019. The same choice that your mother and sister made, compared to the other choice that cam girls made to skin their 2-bit cyat in front the internet for $$. This is why prostitution is the oldest business in the world. And why other women look down on prostitutes because they know it's the only commodity that women can offer to men in exchange for their service of keeping society working. What women going to do? Mine coal and drill oil wells and pick up the garbage?
Prostitution is vital for society to function because men require sex and emotional comfort needs that are different to what women require, but it's looked down upon by society because if every man did it, then the household structure of civilization that religion largely built will collapse. It has also been vital to every war effort in history by all sides in war, from the Roman soldier brothels to the Japanese comfort women that they enslaved. Yet it has been happening since the beginning of time and will continue to exist forever, and governments always ignore it until the press makes a particular scandal.
I know you love to troll about the Venezuelans and everything bad about Trinidad, and it's funny most times to me. But the whiteknighting you spew is so ridiculous sometimes I have to believe that if you write that kind of drivel here, you must live it in real life too.
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