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Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby janfar » April 9th, 2018, 7:52 am

All the bars in Trinidad looking quite beautiful.

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby j.o.e » April 9th, 2018, 8:02 am

Maybe we should actively try to attract certain expertise. There are educated professional struggling in Venezuela. I mean the language barrier is there but it can be worked out. The negative is that the job market here is already saturated and the would just drive wages further down.
Pros and cons I guess

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Postby ruffneck_12 » April 9th, 2018, 12:07 pm

boxy wrote:
Redman wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:immigration law should be enforced.

that said, a smarter country would see a cheap labor pool that can be productive. There is no reason why humanitarian causes can't be profitable.


Smarter countries like the Euro that are now buckling under the spin off of open borders?

we can't support an infinite number of people.
Where are your facts on Europe buckling under this immigrant pressure?


Here you go good sir.

These are facts, not opinions. The mainstream media won't report these things because it would 'incite anger towards migrants"... Gotta be PC bro


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Postby TRAE » April 9th, 2018, 1:06 pm

allyuh really think we could stop them?

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Postby nervewrecker » April 9th, 2018, 4:24 pm

j.o.e wrote:Maybe we should actively try to attract certain expertise. There are educated professional struggling in Venezuela. I mean the language barrier is there but it can be worked out. The negative is that the job market here is already saturated and the would just drive wages further down.
Pros and cons I guess
They do better work than us.
Saw some transmission work across there and air conditioning installs. We just not ready.
Just today a co-worker and I discussing bringing in some to work for us. They work harder and are more efficient.

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby burkmenistan » April 9th, 2018, 4:33 pm

how many can the country support? not that many, ent?

the ideal immigration policy is to get x amount of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals in the country, and once the quota is met, sorry no can do.

we need professionals in certain areas, but the retarded PNM/UNC joint racket/conspiracy to ruin/run T&T will never institute that.

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Postby nervewrecker » April 9th, 2018, 6:32 pm

Well if we want people to work for us and trinis have a stink attitude, wwgd?

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Postby ruffneck_12 » April 9th, 2018, 9:30 pm

burkmenistan wrote:how many can the country support? not that many, ent?

the ideal immigration policy is to get x amount of doctors, lawyers, and other professionals in the country, and once the quota is met, sorry no can do.

we need professionals in certain areas, but the retarded PNM/UNC joint racket/conspiracy to ruin/run T&T will never institute that.



This sounds like a good compromise.

They can help us and we can help them.

BUT. We have to make sure our citizen's needs are met first. Otherwise we'd just end up as a nation of educated stay at home young trini adults cuz they took yur jerrrbs

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Postby Ted_v2 » April 10th, 2018, 6:35 am

Keep them, show trini women some competition.

south women hate them with a passion LOL

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Postby Ben_spanna » April 10th, 2018, 7:20 am

QuietGiant wrote:"Where every creed and race find an equal place" just in the anthem for style?


Er- same thing as our watchwords- Production, Tolerance and Discipline, its there but we basically do the OPPOSITE ! our people are LAZY, quick to Anger and violence solves everything, and well the last word- I don't have to state the obvious! :roll:

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Postby xtech » April 10th, 2018, 7:39 am

While you guys ponder how pretty their women are or how hard they can work we end up with a malaria outbreak in Trinidad which can be traced back to illegal venezuelans entering without first getting vaccinated. The outbreak was likely initially caused by illegal mining in Venezuela. The miners cut down rainforests and often work in pools of stagnant water, which favors the spread of mosquitoes and malaria. Venezuela's government statistics showed there were 240,613 cases of malaria last year, up 76 percent compared with 2015. In Venezuela’s shortages hit economy they cant get meds to treat the sick at hospitals, but there is a black market for nearly everything and they are selling the anti-malaria pills for a gram and a half of gold.



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Postby locorolla » April 10th, 2018, 10:48 am

the short version: allow all the hot females over 18 to stay and send everbody else back to die at the hands of Mr. Rowley's good friend....Senor Maduro.....so we like it ent

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Postby ruffneck_12 » April 10th, 2018, 11:02 am

locorolla wrote:the short version: allow all the hot females over 18 to stay and send everbody else back to die at the hands of Mr. Rowley's good friend....Senor Maduro.....so we like it ent



stop thinking with your dipstick jimmy

They going to steal your toilet paper when you sleeping and send it back to the motherland

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Postby rspann » April 10th, 2018, 5:20 pm

Jaqueline from El Socorro should be allowed to stay.

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Postby nervewrecker » April 10th, 2018, 5:32 pm

Ted_v2 wrote:Keep them, show trini women some competition.

south women hate them with a passion LOL
Hate is joke. Gyul buying rope right now.

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:08 pm

TRINIDAD – Venezuelan nationals deported

April 22, 2018

At least 82 Venezuelan nationals were deported to their homeland on Saturday amid concerns that among them were people seeking asylum in Trinidad and Tobago.

The Ministry of National Security in a statement issued late Saturday night said that 82 Venezuelan nationals including 29 women “were voluntarily repatriated…to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela with the assistance of the Ambassador of Venezuela to Trinidad and Tobago, Her Excellency Coromoto Godoy”.

It said that the government here had held discussions with the Venezuelan ambassador on April 18 to discuss arrangements for the “Venezuelan nationals who were being housed at the Immigration Detention Centre, Aripo, back to their homeland.

“At that meeting, Her Excellency offered to provide transportation by both and sea and air to ensure the successful repatriation of the Venezuelan nationals,” and during that meeting the diplomat had requested that the nationals being held at the detention centre “to process their travel documents.

“This exercise was completed on the evening of Friday 20th April, 2018 where some 82 Venezuelan nationals were processed with the appropriate travel documents.”

“It is to be noted that all 82 nationals volunteered to be repatriated and were placed on the aircraft provided by the Venezuelan Government.

“It is also important to indicate that the Venezuelan Ambassador, Her Excellency Mrs. Coromoto Godoy was on site to observe the proceedings. Chief Immigration Officer, Mrs. Charmaine Ghandi-Andrews was also present to oversee the voluntary repatriation of the nationals,” the Ministry of National Security said.

But the Living Water Community( LWC), a religious based organisation that works with the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), said that it had received reports of Venezuelans being deported.

“At this point we are unclear if this deportation extends to asylum-seekers duly registered with the UN Refugee agency (UNHCR) as such, or who have expressed a desire to seek asylum.

“We await confirmation on this. The guidance note from UNHCR on the outflow of Venezuelans advises that states apply a protection-oriented response in dealing with Venezuelans in a way that reflects an understanding of protection as a humanitarian and non-political act, and as an act of solidarity with the people of Venezuela.

“It asks that states find ways to facilitate access to their territory, award official documentation, grant access to basic rights and very importantly, apply a non-return principle to Venezuela,” according to Rochelle Nakhid, the coordinator at the LWC.

“Pope Francis also asks us to find ways to welcome, protect, promote and integrate refugees, to acknowledge their rights and dignity as human beings, as persons forced to leave their homes, and as persons in great need of our protection. “

In its statement, the Ministry of National Security said that the Venezuelans who were being sent home comprise “nationals who would have breached this country’s immigration laws and those who have served time in the prisons and were awaiting deportation on the completion of their sentences”

It said these were the people placed on board the military aircraft from Venezuela noting “additionally over the last two weeks members of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, as well as Immigration Officers, have made several raids on the southern parts of the country at which time they detained a number of Venezuelan nationals who were in the country illegally.

“These Venezuelan nationals were also allowed to leave the country for their homeland with no charges laid against them”

Earlier this month, Gandhi-Andrews, told a select Joint Committee of Parliament that an estimated 2,000 Venezuelans have applied for asylum here in recent months.

The committee was told that in 2015, there were 29 male Venezuelan detainees, but one year later the figure had risen to 125 including 97 females. Last year, there were 45 men and 82 women. She said that on a weekly basis, between 150 to 200 Venezuelans come here by sea, some of them, illegally.

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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:10 pm

Just "3" days before 82 Venezuelan nationals were repatriated from Trinidad & Tobago to Venezuela, the President of the Foreign Policy Committee of the National Assembly of the Bolivian Republic of Venezuela, Luis Florido, wrote to T&T's Ambassador in Caracas, Paul Byam, calling for the men to be released from T&T's Immigration Detention Centre on humanitarian grounds.

The letter stated that the Venezuelans were seeking to escape the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela, adding that "this is not a crime".

Florido has now said that he will assume the legal defense of the person deported.

In a letter dated Wednesday April 18th, 2018, Florido wrote to Byam asking for the Venezuelan nationals to be released.

Florido wrote: "By means of the present letter I am writing to you, in my capacity of President of the Permanent Commission of Foreign Policy, Sovereignity and Integration of the National Assembly of the Bolivarian Repubic of Venzuela, for the purpose of requesting information, given to us of complaints about the existence of one hundred Venezuelan compatriots who have had different obstacles in their stay, by the immigration service of Trinidad and Tobago (they have been arrested, their passports have been withheld and other situations that generate instability and uncertainty as travelers), since they have sought to emigrate from Venezuela for the current humaitarian crisis the country is suffering and the desire to seek better living conditions in other latitudes, as well as 4.3 million Venezuelans have do so far, which is not a crime".

It added: "It is for this reason that, in the group of Venezuelan brothers in this situation, we advocate for them and ask for your good offices in the framework of Cooperation and International Solidarity, in order for them to be immediately released, they have not committed a crime, and ask to be returned their corresponding passports. Without making any other reference in the current moments, I say goodbye, but not before thanking you once again for your solidarity and attention to this communication."

The letter bore the letterhead of the National Assembly and carried the stamp of the Foreign Policy Committee.

Florido tweeted the letter on Saturday, with the words: "We assume the defense of more than 100 Venezuelans detained in Trinidad and Tobago in the face of indolence and incapacity of the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry. We send a letter to Ambassador Paul Byam, pleading for the freedom of these citizens."

We are continuing efforts to reach Ambassador Byam to determine whether he received the letter and what was T&T's response to it.
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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:12 pm

UN Expresses Concern At Trinidad's Deportation Of Venezuelan Asylum Seekers

PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad, Apr 23, CMC – The United Nations has expressed concern that a number of Venezuelans who had sought asylum in Trinidad and Tobago had been deported to the South American country over the weekend.

“The United Nations is concerned for the welfare of these people and is in contact with the appropriate authorities in Port of Spain to ensure that any person in need of protection will get it without fail,” said the United Nations Resident Coordinator, Richard Blewitt.

At least 82 Venezuelans, including 29 women, were deported to their homeland last Saturday and the Ministry of National Security, in a statement said: “the Venezuelans were voluntarily repatriated…to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela with the assistance of the Ambassador of Venezuela to Trinidad and Tobago, Her Excellency Coromoto Godoy”.

It said that the Trinidadian government had held discussions with the Venezuelan ambassador on April 18 to discuss arrangements for the “Venezuelan nationals who were being housed at the Immigration Detention Centre, Aripo, back to their homeland”.

“At that meeting, Her Excellency offered to provide transportation by both sea and air to ensure the successful repatriation of the Venezuelan nationals,” and during that meeting, the diplomat had requested that the nationals being held at the detention centre “to process their travel documents.

“This exercise was completed on the evening of Friday 20th April 2018 where some 82 Venezuelan nationals were processed with the appropriate travel documents. It is to be noted that all 82 nationals volunteered to be repatriated and were placed on the aircraft provided by the Venezuelan Government.”

Venezuelans have been leaving their country in growing numbers, many in need of international protection and seeking temporary refuge in countries of the Americas region, including in some Caribbean states like Trinidad and Tobago.

The United Nations and its local partners have encouraged the prompt adoption of national legislation on refugee issues, and are work together to support the Trinidad and Tobago government in its efforts to develop an efficient and secure asylum system, the UN said in a statement.

The Living Water Community ( LWC), a religious-based organisation that works with the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR), said that it too had received reports of Venezuelans being deported.

“At this point, we are unclear if this deportation extends to asylum-seekers duly registered with the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) as such, or who have expressed a desire to seek asylum”.

“We await confirmation on this. The guidance note from UNHCR on the outflow of Venezuelans advises that states apply a protection-oriented response in dealing with Venezuelans in a way that reflects an understanding of protection as a humanitarian and non-political act, and as an act of solidarity with the people of Venezuela.

“It asks that states find ways to facilitate access to their territory, award official documentation, grant access to basic rights and very importantly, apply a non-return principle to Venezuela,” according to Rochelle Nakhid, the coordinator at the LWC.

But, Attorney General Faris Al Rawi is quoted in the Trinidad Express newspaper Monday as saying that all those taken back to Venezuela had volunteered to return home, having been so informed by Chief Immigration Officer Charmaine Gandhi-Andrews.

Earlier this month, Gandhi-Andrews told a select Joint Committee of Parliament that an estimated 2,000 Venezuelans have applied for asylum in Trinidad in recent months.

The committee was told that in 2015, there were 29 male Venezuelan detainees, but one year later the figure had risen to 125 including 97 females.

Last year, there were 45 men and 82 women.

She said that on a weekly basis, between 150 to 200 Venezuelans come to the island by sea, some of them, illegally.

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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:13 pm

AG defends Govt’s move to deport Venezuelans seeking asylum

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ATTORNEY General Faris Al-Rawi has defended the Government’s repatriation last Saturday of 82 Venezuelans, saying this country’s participation in international agreements does not automatically translate to domestic law.

Al-Rawi also told the Express yesterday he could say “with comfort” that all those taken back to Venezuela had volunteered to return home, having been so informed by Chief Immigration Officer Charmaine Gandhi-Andrews.

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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:19 pm

UN says Trinidad "forcibly" deported Venezuelan refugees

he United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) on Monday criticized what it called the forced deportation of 82 Venezuelan asylum seekers by Trinidad and Tobago that the Caribbean country's government insisted was voluntary.

The UNHCR said the people had been held in detention in Trinidad and Tobago and that they were deported on Saturday without the agency being given access to them.

"The forced return of this group is of great concern," Volker Turk, UNHCR's Assistant High Commissioner for Protection said in a statement.

"We are in contact with the authorities and are seeking clarification on the legal process which has led to the deportations," Turk said.

The UNHCR said the group was made up of registered asylum seekers and others who had declared an intention to apply for refugee status, and the government had not granted the agency access to the detainees prior to deportation.

The agency in March reported a 2,000 percent increase in the number of Venezuelans seeking asylum worldwide since 2014, encouraging countries to give them access to refugee measures and warning that it was crucial people were not forcibly deported.

The agency has been working with governments in the Caribbean to help them cope with the influx of refugee.

Venezuela has descended into an economic and social crisis, with millions suffering political insecurity.

Economic collapse has driven an estimated 3 million people from the country.

Trinidad and Tobago denied the deportations were forced and said the Venezuelans had been detained at the immigration detention center (IDC) for various offenses.

"At the airport, each person was asked if they had any fear or objection to returning to their homeland; all stated that they wanted to leave," the Ministry of National Security said in a statement. “No one was forced or coerced to leave the IDC."

UNHCR spokesman Chris Boian said established procedures agreed with the government of Trinidad and Tobago had not been followed.

"Registered asylum seekers who decide to return home must first receive counseling from UNHCR and submit a written statement," that the decision was voluntary, he said.

The ministry said the repatriation of the 53 men and 29 women was a collaborative effort with the Venezuelan embassy, which arranged for the detainees to return to Caracas on a Venezuelan government aircraft.

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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:22 pm

Venezuelans go into hiding following deportations

Venezuelans immigrants in this country say they are living in fear.

Over the weekend over 80 Venezuelans, who were being held at the Detention Centre, were deported back to the South American nation.

The situation has now caused many to go into hiding.


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Postby TriP » April 23rd, 2018, 6:51 pm

GOV’T EXPLAINS REPATRIATION OF VENEZUELANS

https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/gov-t ... 1ed2b.html

The Ministry of National Security is clarifying their stance on Asylum Seekers from Venezuela. In a media release today, the Ministry advised that following revelations by the Chief Immigration Officer at a Joint Select Committee of Parliament on April 6th, that 89 Venezuelan nationals were detained for various offences at the Immigration Detention Centre, officials from the Venezuelan Embassy visited the nationals detained at the IDC on Friday April 13th to ascertain their well-being and identify their needs for repatriation.

It continues to explain that the Venezuelan Ambassador, Coromoto Godoy Calderon, stated that her fellow citizens expressed a desire to return to Venezuela and she had assured them that the Government of Venezuela would do everything possible to assist them in returning home. Minister of National Security, Edmund Dillon also gave the assurance that his Ministry would work with the Embassy to facilitate the repatriation.

The Ministry says that on Friday, at the request of the Venezuelan Embassy, the Immigration Division facilitated all Venezuelan nationals in detention who agreed to go to their Embassy to obtain travel documents to return to Venezuela. It says that none of the nationals expressed fear or objection to be taken to the Embassy. The detainees were informed by the Venezuelan officials that a plane would be sent from Venezuela to take them home on Saturday.

According to the Ministry, each person was asked multiple times if they had any fear or objection to returning to their homeland - all stated that they wanted to leave. Each signed the necessary documents for their departure before being handed their travel document by Immigration Officers and having their personal property checked by Customs officials.

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Postby pugboy » April 23rd, 2018, 8:06 pm

the thing is those that apply for refugee status get a kinda temporary papers to stay until their case is decided
That process takes a long time so guess what, they here all that time and can't be deported either....
I bet if the process was quick and they got denials the un would complain that it too fast,

Right now I want to report a house on my street which housing several
They seem to work shift so guys coming and going all hours of the night
A next Neighbor have some miserable dogs who does make real noise all night because of the foot traffic.

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Postby sMASH » April 23rd, 2018, 8:22 pm

jsut imagine if u were one of them in their situation... and just a few miles away is a country with all ur basic needs.

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Postby rspann » April 23rd, 2018, 9:21 pm

pugboy wrote:the thing is those that apply for refugee status get a kinda temporary papers to stay until their case is decided
That process takes a long time so guess what, they here all that time and can't be deported either....
I bet if the process was quick and they got denials the un would complain that it too fast,

Right now I want to report a house on my street which housing several
They seem to work shift so guys coming and going all hours of the night
A next Neighbor have some miserable dogs who does make real noise all night because of the foot traffic.


If is mamacitas,I'll take the report. Give me the location ,and some pics of the perpetrators.

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Postby ruffneck_12 » April 23rd, 2018, 10:08 pm

sMASH wrote:jsut imagine if u were one of them in their situation... and just a few miles away is a country with all ur basic needs.



yeah I'd swim tf across

But I would understand why the country I want to get into is reluctant to let me in. Then I will tell myself I tried my best and take a deep breath underwater.

Jk I'll revert to caveman days and survive in the wild, river ha fish for free inno

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Postby pugboy » April 23rd, 2018, 10:32 pm

Nah is hard stones

rspann wrote:
pugboy wrote:the thing is those that apply for refugee status get a kinda temporary papers to stay until their case is decided
That process takes a long time so guess what, they here all that time and can't be deported either....
I bet if the process was quick and they got denials the un would complain that it too fast,

Right now I want to report a house on my street which housing several
They seem to work shift so guys coming and going all hours of the night
A next Neighbor have some miserable dogs who does make real noise all night because of the foot traffic.


If is mamacitas,I'll take the report. Give me the location ,and some pics of the perpetrators.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 24th, 2018, 9:32 am

UN: TT broke international law
Deporting of 82 Venezuelans

THE United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) says this country has broken international refugee law. In a release yesterday, the Geneva-based UNHCR, said that it “deeply regrets the deportation” of 82 Venezuelan nationals on Saturday.

The group, which comprised 53 men and 29 women, included registered asylum-seekers and individuals who had declared an intention to apply for refugee status, making their return to Venezuela a breach of international refugee law, the agency said. The detainees, held at the Immigration Detention Centre, were deported despite the UNHCR’s request for access to the individuals concerned and written interventions, it added.

“The forced return of this group is of great concern,” said Volker Türk, UNHCR Assistant High Commissioner for Protection. “We are in contact with the authorities and are seeking clarification on the legal process which has led to the deportations of this group, to ensure that Trinidad and Tobago continues to abide by its international obligations.”

http://newsday.co.tt/2018/04/24/un-tt-b ... ional-law/

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Postby 16 cycles » April 24th, 2018, 9:56 am

According to the Ministry, each person was asked multiple times if they had any fear or objection to returning to their homeland - all stated that they wanted to leave. Each signed the necessary documents for their departure before being handed their travel document by Immigration Officers and having their personal property checked by Customs officials.


not sure how UN telling T&T that we broke the law....

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Postby Kalisnakov » April 24th, 2018, 10:17 am

UN should study what Israel doing Palestinians

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