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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby RedVEVO » June 5th, 2018, 11:57 pm

ProtonPowder wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
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Dont be stupid like this

https://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/laws2/A ... /58.01.pdf

Provisions for compulsory acquisition have existed for a very long time; the land does not have to be purchased before works begin.


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Postby MarlonSam » June 6th, 2018, 2:07 am

they have to pay up.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » June 6th, 2018, 5:08 am

I sure the real figure is about 400-500 mil for that project....food can only be eaten in them big projects...kams et al did, rowley accused them of it ( and well 3 years later he still accusing them) and now he and his boys doing it worse..

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Postby RedVEVO » June 6th, 2018, 5:15 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:I sure the real figure is about 400-500 mil for that project....food can only be eaten in them big projects...kams et al did, rowley accused them of it ( and well 3 years later he still accusing them) and now he and his boys doing it worse..


History will show you every PNM administration had corruption in their manifesto .

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Just to cut down those beautiful 50-60 year old Poui Trees was criminal .

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Thursday7thJune to Saturday9thJune:

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby TriP » June 24th, 2018, 11:58 pm

People displaced by Curepe Flyover in tears

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2018-06- ... over-tears

Home owners and business operators who are to be displaced by the Curepe Flyover—officially called the Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road Flyover—are appealing to the Government to give them fair compensation for their properties.

Meanwhile, others who have already agreed to a settlement are yet to be paid by the Government.

Wiping tears, a pensioner asked, “What can I do to stop them from taking my home?”

The 80-year-old woman gestured to her modest home and said “My husband worked day and night to provide for us and my children work hard to maintain it for their children.

“Imagine at this stage of my life, I have to pack up and go and if you see where they want to put us. There are no lights and water and we will have to start over from scratch. I don’t know if I have it in me to survive that.”

The woman said her property had been valued at just over $3 million, but she was only being offered up to $1 million.

People being displaced have been offered relocation to an area close to the Licensing Authority in Caroni at a reduced price.

One businessman said although he had plans to relocate before being approached by the State, he too was not satisfied with the compensation being offered to him.

“It is not enough because they are not considering the income we make as a commercial establishment.”

Another businessman, close to tears, said “This is having a negative psychological impact on us because of the frustration this process has brought. Regarding compensation, nothing has been finalised.”

People in the area continue to occupy their properties because they are yet to arrive at a figure for compensation, he said. “They wanted us to move since last year because they are six months behind but we are yet to receive any money, so we aren’t going anywhere.”

A Valsayn homeowner commiserating with those affected said “We have been back and forth with the ministry more than a year now and it’s been a long slog, but this is the price of progress.”

A man who has been living in the area since the early 1970s claimed that “the unfortunate thing is that people with lesser-value homes have been displaced but Valsayn residents remain untouched.

This is probably because the value of land is higher and Government does not want to get into a back and forth with homeowners that have means.”

At Farah’s Court town houses located at the front of Kay-Donna, a resident said the owner/property developer had left the requisite acreage in anticipation of such a project being undertaken.

A spokesman close to the project claimed the Curepe Flyover had been “altered or shifted so that people at Farah’s court would not be dislocated.

Instead, the poorest people on the other side had to face the brunt of it.”

Alarmed by the effect this project would have on the area, which had remained largely private and hidden away behind Kay-Donna’s high walls, he said “Some of these people have lived here longer than I have been alive and it’s unfortunate.

If they were consulted several years ago and not just six months ago, it would have given them ample time to adjust.”

Franchise holders for KFC and Pizzahut, Prestige Holdings said negotiations were continuing.

Also awaiting payment is Works and Transport Minister Rohan Sinanan, who said he was a minority shareholder on the executive team which owns the iconic drive-in cinema. Sinanan:

Asked to respond to concerns raised by people in the area, Sinanan said they have a choice.

“They will get their money and they don’t have to go there (Caroni).

They can go anywhere else and live or buy a property.”

Sinanan expressed surprise that those affected were upset and dissatisfied with the compensation being offered. He distanced himself from claims that he had a role to play in the settlements being offered and the payment of monies.

He said Section 3 notices served in 2013 and Section 4 notices served in the last couple of months were related to compulsory land acquisition.

“The land acquisition being done under compulsory acquisition means the State will have to go through a process of serving notice to the land owners and the commissioner of valuations and the Ministry of Finance will complete the payment aspect. There is a process which is done by the commissioner of valuations and I cannot speak to that as it is not handled by the Ministry of Works.”

Cabinet approves $321 million for project Cabinet’s approval for the entire project which includes consultant fees, land acquisition, contractors fees, and ancillary works stands at $321 million. Sinanan said, however, the contractors’ fees totalled $221 million.

“The overall figure is down by almost $200 million from the previous estimate,” he boasted.

A valuation official from the Ministry of Finance explained that the price to be paid to affected homeowners and businessmen would depend solely on comparable sales in the area.

He said “We therefore will be able to use this as evidence to do the valuation of the subject property.” The senior public servant said “The first thing you must have is evidence of value of similar properties. If you don’t have that, you won’t get anywhere.”

He claimed the Valuation Division would have completed careful calculations prior to negotiating with affected property owners.

Officials at the National Infrastructure Development Company Limited (Nidco), which is the executing agency, confirmed that negotiations are “ongoing with the claimants and their representatives.”

They said there was no established dollar value per square footage. Nidco was unwilling to divulge any further information.

The contractors Nidco has been named as the executing agency, while Planning Associates Limited has been selected as the project engineer.

The team of contractors involved include the China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), PCS, and CHASE Engineering. CRCC won the contract for the Arima Hospital which is being built at a cost of $1.2 billion. They also constructed the Scarborough General Hospital, Tobago.

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » June 25th, 2018, 5:01 am

only man who won't be in tears is rohani....he is the only one who would get the figure that he wants.

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby ProtonPowder » June 25th, 2018, 6:54 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:only man who won't be in tears is rohani....he is the only one who would get the figure that he wants.


prestige holdings still negotiating, dont forget them

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » June 25th, 2018, 7:11 am

Well it is understood that they must gt

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Postby pugboy » September 9th, 2018, 8:19 am

A job for Ramesh

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby ProtonPowder » September 9th, 2018, 9:21 am

The government must make sure they do these land acquisitons legally and properly. The people will eventually be mandated to move, but they must be given more than adequate notice. 15 days is nasty and poorly planned.

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » September 9th, 2018, 9:25 am

Only intetesting thing is how much rohani gonna get

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Postby The_Honourable » September 10th, 2018, 12:04 pm

Prakash: They will have to go through me

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RESIDENTS and business owners from the Southern Main Road and Spring Village in Curepe, are in the crosshairs of the government, which, two weeks ago sent them eviction notices, ordering they leave their property within 14 days. Tomorrow the government will be entitled to evict the residents, according to the notice, and use the land to build an interchange between the Southern Main Road and the Churchill Roosevelt Highway.

However, if they are to claim the land from the residents, they will have to go through one man – MP for St Augustine Prakash Ramadhar. He is saying no way to the government’s offer.

“What Nazi Germany did to the Jews was legal. What happened in South Africa with apartheid was legal. What is happening with the opposition in Venezuela is legal. If the government intends to use the law to act unlawfully, we will stand with you. On Tuesday morning, rest assured, if there should be one effort taken to remove a single resident, they would have to go through me,” Ramadhar said to residents and business owners yesterday, during a press conference on the Southern Main Road.

Ramadhar was accompanied by former works and transport minister, Devant Maharaj, and an attorney representing the residents. Residents told reporters they have been co-operative with the government since they were first notified of the intention to acquire the land in 2013, and were negotiating on compensation, but those negotiations were not complete. They said the eviction notices came “like a thief in the night.”

Rooplal said it was in 2013 that residents first got notice of proposed acquisition of the land for the public purpose, which came in accordance with section three of the Land Acquisition Act. But it was not until 2017 that government took the next step of moving to section 4 of the act, letting the residents know that it intended to move forward with the acquisition.

Rooplal added that the residents also surveyed the land with the help of Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) valuators selected from a list of valuators provided to residents by the government, and were not only promised compensation, but a rental allowance for six months, to assist while the to-be displaced residents found another place to call home.

Then without warning on August 27 and 28, they were slapped with eviction notices.

Rajendra Maraj, one of the residents of the 15 homes that will be affected, said the situation which has led to the elders of the community being traumatised, was simply “sad.” “It is very sad to know that the residents here have to do this right now, when we tried in all manners to negotiate with the rightful people involved. It is so sad that I had to hear elders in our community crying because the government sent them notices. We had to ask for help. I hope they can shed some light onto this darkness that we are in.” Maraj said.

“We the residents are not against the project,” said Rudy Singh, another affected resident, “We are in no way against anything the government is doing for the development. We are for everything that is going on, but we want a fair compensation.”

Newsday was told government was offering compensation of $150 per square foot, for land that was estimated by valuators at more than $250 per square foot. For one property which was bought at about $16 million, the owner was offered $7 million.

Source: https://newsday.co.tt/2018/09/10/prakas ... hrough-me/

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby pete » September 10th, 2018, 12:45 pm

I wonder how much per square foot the Kaydonna compound was purchased for - vacant land with a small unoccupied building on it. Is that figure the same as what was offered to the residents on the other side of the road?

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Postby thelem-again » September 10th, 2018, 12:46 pm

Honestly, it sounds suspicious and smells of greed.

Negotiations and discussions been ongoing since 2013. Seems like the residents were playing hard ball and the Government played harder.

Ok they valued their property at $250 per sq ft and Government countered and offered $150. Do they really expect to get what they valued at?? So it sounds like that's what caused the negotiations to stall.

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Postby Dizzy28 » September 10th, 2018, 1:39 pm

Without seeing what the offers GORTT made s well as what the approved valuations by a chartered valuator are I am not taking any sides in this. Too often ppl look for sympathy and or don't reveal the true facts in a scenario to make them selves look good. In this case both GORTT and the residents.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » September 10th, 2018, 5:31 pm

Rohan set for life after this buy out?

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Postby rspann » September 10th, 2018, 5:37 pm

Rohani set for life long ago.

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Postby ProtonPowder » September 10th, 2018, 11:55 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Without seeing what the offers GORTT made s well as what the approved valuations by a chartered valuator are I am not taking any sides in this. Too often ppl look for sympathy and or don't reveal the true facts in a scenario to make them selves look good. In this case both GORTT and the residents.


The government also has valuers with RICS certification; the COV and the ACOV also hold such certifications. One of the individuals heading the acquisitions on the government end is a contracted chartered valuer and former government valuer.

Another underlying fact is that the intended purpose cannot affect the valuation when a compulsory acquisition is underway, so the residents cannot be paid more than market value. Extra rental allowances and such must be separate from the actual land transfer.

And on top of that, negotiations are slow because the valuation division lacks sufficient expertise in specialised matters such as acquisitions.

At the end of it all, the residents want as much as possible, the government wants to pay as least as possible.

Fun fact, theres a 5% compound interest running on whatever value the land is appraised at from the day the government takes occupation. It used to be 9% before.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » September 11th, 2018, 5:53 am

rspann wrote:Rohani set for life long ago.


This just ensure the future of the great grand

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Postby The_Honourable » January 6th, 2019, 1:24 pm

Curepe interchange land talks break down

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Sev­en of the 37 Curepe fam­i­lies who were told their homes are in the way of the Gov­ern­ment's $221mil­lion Curepe In­ter­change project have been giv­en one week to ac­cept the State’s of­fer for their prop­er­ties or be evict­ed.

Ac­cord­ing to spokesman Ravin­dra Ma­haraj, al­though the res­i­dents do not yet know what the of­fer will be as the de­tails have not been dis­cussed, they are be­ing bul­lied out of their homes.

This news comes fol­low­ing a meet­ing be­tween at­tor­neys for the res­i­dents and the State on Fri­day evening. The res­i­dents and the State have been at log­ger­heads for al­most a year as they have failed to agree on a cost for the prop­er­ties. Res­i­dents were first put on no­tice in 2013 that their lands would be ac­quired by the State for the in­ter­change. Ne­go­ti­a­tions be­tween the par­ties broke down some­time in 2018 when the res­i­dents were told they will be paid $175 per square feet for their land in­stead of $250 per square feet, which they said was first of­fered to them.

“We have stayed in lim­bo since 2013 when they first came with Sec­tion 3 no­tices to in­form us that they want­ed to ac­quire the land and told us we could not do any re­pairs or up­grades to our homes and we had to close our busi­ness­es,” Ma­haraj said yes­ter­day. “It’s not that we can­not come to an agree­ment, it is that the State is not will­ing to sit with us to ne­go­ti­ate. We are be­ing told now to ac­cept the 80 per cent of the of­fer or they will come with a mar­shal and evict us.

“We don’t know what the 80 per cent of their of­fer will be be­cause the heads of claims were not dis­cussed so we can’t even have an idea on what we might get.”

Ma­haraj said Chi­na Rail­way Con­struc­tion Cor­po­ra­tion (CR­CC), the Chi­nese firm award­ed the mil­lion-dol­lar con­tract, has start­ed work on sev­er­al va­cant lots in the area, al­though nei­ther he nor his neigh­bours have been paid any mon­ey by the State for their lands.

In De­cem­ber, an­oth­er res­i­dent, Rudy Singh gave the Sun­day Guardian a let­ter from the Com­mis­sion­er of Val­u­a­tions of­fer­ing him a com­pen­sa­tion pack­age in April 2018. Since then, Singh said he has not re­ceived any­thing else in writ­ing.

The next step for the res­i­dents is the court.

“It is so sad to see this is the road they want to take with us, we are meet­ing with an­oth­er at­tor­ney soon and he will ad­vise us on what ac­tion we can take,” Ma­haraj said.

Sinanan: Time run­ning out

Works Min­is­ter Ro­han Sinanan said the State was run­ning out of time to ac­quire land in the Curepe area for the In­ter­change project.

Al­though Sinanan did not say how much time the State has left, he said if they fail to hand over the lands to Chi­na Rail­way Con­struc­tion Cor­po­ra­tion (CR­CC) they will face penal­ties.

“The rea­son why we are mov­ing apace now is be­cause we are run­ning out of that time…I mean ne­go­ti­a­tions have been on­go­ing for quite a while and I sus­pect now that it is prob­a­bly time to have these things fi­nalised,” Sinanan said.

But Sinanan said con­trary to what Ma­haraj was say­ing, ne­go­ti­a­tions are pend­ing for on­ly five prop­er­ties.

“It is just five prop­er­ties that we are talk­ing about that are to fi­nalise, it is these five prop­er­ties that are ac­tu­al­ly keep­ing back the project.”

He said once the res­i­dents have been served with Sec­tion 3 and 4 no­tices, the State can legal­ly take pos­ses­sion of their prop­er­ties.

Asked what will hap­pen to the fam­i­lies if they refuse to ac­cept the of­fer and their prop­er­ties are seized, Sinanan said, “Once you get served with Sec­tion 3 and 4 then the State has the right to take pos­ses­sion. In those lands, Sec­tion 3 has been served since 2013 and Sec­tion 4 served about a year ago—the State has the right at any point in time to move in and take pos­ses­sion while ne­go­ti­a­tion con­tin­ues, that is the law of the land. The fam­i­ly could put in a claim for 80 per cent of the mon­ey while they con­tin­ue to ne­go­ti­ate.”

Con­tract his­to­ry

In June 2015, the Na­tion­al In­fra­struc­ture De­vel­op­ment Com­pa­ny Lim­it­ed (Nid­co) an­nounced that two con­trac­tors had been se­lect­ed to com­plete the Curepe In­ter­change project.

The $400 mil­lion con­tract was split be­tween two con­trac­tors—Lutchmesingh Trans­port Com­pa­ny and Vin­ci Con­struc­tion. But when the Peo­ple’s Na­tion­al Move­ment (PNM) took of­fice in Sep­tem­ber 2015, Prime Min­is­ter Dr Kei­th Row­ley or­dered that the project be halt­ed.

Ten­ders were opened in March 2017 and when it was closed three months lat­er, Chi­nese firm, Chi­na Rail­way Con­struc­tion Cor­po­ra­tion (CR­CC) was award­ed the $221.7 mil­lion con­tract. The project was sup­posed to be com­plet­ed in 18 months.

Con­struc­tion was sup­posed to be­gin at the start of 2018 but a year lat­er, five plots of land have been cleared and work can be seen on­go­ing on three of those five.

State ac­qui­si­tion of land

There are two ways that the State can ac­quire prop­er­ty need­ed for de­vel­op­ment in the pub­lic’s in­ter­est: through pri­vate treaty or through com­pul­so­ry pur­chase.

Pri­vate treaty agree­ments utilise the nor­mal open mar­ket ap­proach for ac­qui­si­tion. Com­pul­so­ry pur­chas­es are done through the Land Ac­qui­si­tion Act (LAA) 1994 which gives the State the right to ac­quire prop­er­ty with­out the own­er’s agree­ment.

Al­though the com­pul­so­ry pur­chase ap­proach was tak­en in the Curepe ac­qui­si­tions, the State al­so us­es the pri­vate treaty to ne­go­ti­ate the price it will pay to the landown­ers for their prop­er­ty.

Un­der the LAA, prop­er­ty own­ers can be paid up to 80 per cent of the agreed sum for their prop­er­ties be­fore the State takes pos­ses­sion of it, al­low­ing them the funds to in­vest in an­oth­er home or prop­er­ty.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/curepe-l ... 3ecd4b6bd1

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Postby Slartibartfast » January 8th, 2019, 4:56 pm

Chinese company awarded a $400,000,000 contract at $180,000,000 below the initial estimate? Am I seeing that correctly? Why weren't they disqualified for their pricing being too far off from the estimate which normally indicates that the contractor is not fully aware of the extent of works required?

I must be missing something. Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong. One thing I know for sure is that if I am not wrong this interchange will not get built for $221,000,000.

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » January 8th, 2019, 5:09 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Chinese company awarded a $400,000,000 contract at $180,000,000 below the initial estimate? Am I seeing that correctly? Why weren't they disqualified for their pricing being too far off from the estimate which normally indicates that the contractor is not fully aware of the extent of works required?

I must be missing something. Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong. One thing I know for sure is that if I am not wrong this interchange will not get built for $221,000,000.

Suppose the employer asked the contractor to re-confirm his tender and he did? The employer has the contractor's performance security and the contract has delay damages. Probably, the employer is comfortable that he is well protected in this instance.

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby redmanjp » January 8th, 2019, 7:18 pm

Govt. gets warrant to forcefully seize land for Curepe Interchange

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Re: Interchange at Curepe - Churchill Roosevelt Highway/Southern Main Road flyover

Postby pugboy » January 8th, 2019, 7:24 pm

Is the main contention the fact that rohani get higher price than them ?

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