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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Pointman-IA » October 16th, 2018, 7:36 am

The writing has been on the wall for the last 10 years.

Some individuals did not care if Monday fall on a Thursday.

Alot of systems had deteriorated over the years due to the politics.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Mr President » October 16th, 2018, 1:01 pm

Petrotrin exec:

While there was an ex­pec­ta­tion of a launch of the two new com­pa­nies last week­end, the T&T Guardian was in­formed that there will be no launch un­til both com­pa­nies are ful­ly out­fit­ted with the man­pow­er re­quired. Ac­cord­ing to our source, the com­pa­nies will not just be “lean and mean, with a new cul­ture which does not in­clude nepo­tism and waste,” but will al­so be “fun­da­men­tal­ly dif­fer­ent” to Petrotrin, which was an in­te­grat­ed com­pa­ny pro­duc­ing crude, re­fin­ing the prod­uct and then sell­ing it.

In the case of the two new com­pa­nies, Her­itage will pro­duce the crude for ex­port while Paria will have the re­spon­si­bil­i­ty of im­port­ing re­fined prod­ucts to sell lo­cal­ly and in the Caribbean.

As for LPG, the T&T Guardian was told the source of sup­ply will be Phoenix Park Gas Proces­sors Lim­it­ed (PPG­PL), but there may be a need for some kind of sub­sidy from the Gov­ern­ment. Cur­rent­ly, Petrotrin sub­si­dized the cost of LPG to the tune of $200 mil­lion.

Petrotrin chair­man Wil­fred Es­pinet was un­avail­able for com­ment on the new com­pa­nies yes­ter­day, as he was said to be in meet­ings. Calls to his mo­bile phone al­so went unan­swered.

Ef­forts to reach En­er­gy Min­is­ter Franklin Khan on the is­sue were al­so un­suc­cess­ful.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/petrotri ... c965ee5140

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby MG Man » October 16th, 2018, 2:26 pm

alfa wrote:
tr1ad wrote:Again.. I'm aware of how it's done ...

So the market has been so bad in 18 years that ...anyhow never mind ... Carry on

You won't understand unless you're in the situation... anyhow never mind....Carry on


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: an 18 year situation? :lol:
Agree to terms and conditions because it suits your plans, but when you are now held to those terms and conditions, now you crying?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby neilsingh100 » October 17th, 2018, 1:49 pm

No mention of JP Morgan and Honeywell.

OWTU makes Petrotrin bid

The Oilfield Workers’ Trade Union (OWTU) has apparently had a change of heart and taken up the Prime Minister’s offer to make a bid for the Pointe-a-Pierre refinery.

The union will present its proposal—a lease to own arrangement— to state oil company Petrotrin’s board at a time to be determined, but OWTU’s president general Ancel Roget said that the move is “the greatest act of patriotism in recent time.”

The union has partnered with Caribbean investment bank SunStone Equity, based in Suriname, and MAK England, a commodities trading firm with operations in the UK, the US and UAE.

SunStone helped the union come up with the proposal, while MAK will provide the crude oil necessary to sustain the refinery as well as the managerial expertise.

Roget said the union’s plan will save all the jobs currently on the line as Petrotrin continues with its planned shut-down of the 101-year-old refinery. He declined to give more details of the proposal until the union meets with Petrotrin

Source: https://newsday.co.tt/2018/10/17/owtu-m ... otrin-bid/

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Pointman-IA » October 17th, 2018, 2:44 pm

An interesting development.
However, one can assume that corporation sole is already bent on creating a playing field that does not involve the labour movement.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Numb3r4 » October 17th, 2018, 2:52 pm

Can anyone shed any details of the make up of the new companies?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby pugboy » October 17th, 2018, 3:31 pm

Those "equity" partner companies can be very hit and miss
They have long history esp with hedge fund backing

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/16/inve ... index.html

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby abducted » October 17th, 2018, 5:12 pm

Image

Reynold Ajodhasingh is a Director in Trinidad & Tobago IFC and Minister Stuart Young's father is the Chairman of Trinidad & Tobago IFC

https://www.ttifc.co.tt/index.php/meet- ... -directors

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby De Dragon » October 17th, 2018, 5:48 pm

Jealousy! The small man from Sea Lots make he way and ollour jealous!
When he bring in Burkie as head ah security ollour go see!

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Joshie23 » October 17th, 2018, 5:56 pm

Numb3r4 wrote:Can anyone shed any details of the make up of the new companies?


:cry: When we find out, we'll let you know. The whole country (well most of us..looking at you, Willie, Rennie and Keith) is in the dark bro. Talking to some Petrotrin people and they're lost. Anyone have Willie's number? How do those reporters get their numbers?? :|

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Reynold Ajodhasingh is a Director in Trinidad & Tobago IFC and Minister Stuart Young's father is the Chairman of Trinidad & Tobago IFC

https://www.ttifc.co.tt/index.php/meet- ... -directors


Meh. Conspiracy, coincidence or otherwise, I'm waiting on neilsingh100 et al. to denounce any relevance.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby The_Honourable » October 17th, 2018, 6:06 pm

This country stands to benefit tremendously if the latest proposal by the Oilfields Workers' Trade Union is accepted.

Financier John Van Dyke, who is the CEO of Sunstone Equity, says the refinery is not only viable but very profitable.

He was speaking at a media presentation at the Radisson Hotel, where the OWTU revealed the proposal.


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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby matr1x » October 17th, 2018, 6:10 pm

Red and ready

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby rspann » October 17th, 2018, 6:30 pm

De Dragon wrote:Jealousy! The small man from Sea Lots make he way and ollour jealous!
When he bring in Burkie as head ah security ollour go see!


What is AeroMarine address?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby gastly369 » October 17th, 2018, 6:31 pm

abducted wrote:Image

Reynold Ajodhasingh is a Director in Trinidad & Tobago IFC and Minister Stuart Young's father is the Chairman of Trinidad & Tobago IFC

https://www.ttifc.co.tt/index.php/meet- ... -directors
Ohh yes Kaka Pon kaka .....

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby sMASH » October 17th, 2018, 7:09 pm

To all the marlene, espinet , goebbels, Hinds, smiley,
Allyuh more loyal than allll penal man.

Allyuh gt. Congratulations



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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » October 17th, 2018, 7:19 pm

Espinet gt yes

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Redress10 » October 17th, 2018, 7:38 pm

The_Honourable wrote:This country stands to benefit tremendously if the latest proposal by the Oilfields Workers' Trade Union is accepted.

Financier John Van Dyke, who is the CEO of Sunstone Equity, says the refinery is not only viable but very profitable.

He was speaking at a media presentation at the Radisson Hotel, where the OWTU revealed the proposal.




I thought Massa days done?

So OWTU had to begging to the white man for relief....lmao

I thought Rouget had a cheque he was ready to write.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby rspann » October 17th, 2018, 7:51 pm

Aye look Aeromarine have the same address as Heritage director. Who own Aeromarine?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby rspann » October 17th, 2018, 7:54 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Espinet gt yes


He gt long time now.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby The_Honourable » October 17th, 2018, 9:02 pm

Leaked documents show Wilfred Espinet and Reynold Ajodhasingh as directors of heritage petroleum company. But what does this mean for the company and future of the industry?


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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » October 17th, 2018, 9:21 pm

Same faith as petrochin?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby tr1ad » October 18th, 2018, 9:17 am

The_Honourable wrote:This country stands to benefit tremendously if the latest proposal by the Oilfields Workers' Trade Union is accepted.

Financier John Van Dyke, who is the CEO of Sunstone Equity, says the refinery is not only viable but very profitable.

He was speaking at a media presentation at the Radisson Hotel, where the OWTU revealed the proposal.




but... what is their experience in oil and gas / refining ?
just dump money and wait for returns?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Redman » October 18th, 2018, 7:51 pm

I would surprised if that guy can get anything done.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Numb3r4 » October 18th, 2018, 7:52 pm

Does anyone have any information of the theory going about that this entire Petrotrin saga was a deliberate plan to shelter certain folks from investigation regarding a particular scandal?

Refinery is profitable now???

Why has the union not picked up on the theory being circulated, would that mean it is false?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby The_Honourable » October 18th, 2018, 8:02 pm

The fake oil scandal? I don't think they will shut down a company like that just to save A&V, have other ways you can do that...BUT... as sMASH put it...

sMASH wrote:Closing down the refinery killing multiple birds with one big stone. From removal of the forensic accounting evidence, to non non accountability of the board, to getting kickback to sell off the assets to the 1%...

Simple. Elegant. Catastrophic

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby sMASH » October 18th, 2018, 8:13 pm

Numb3r4 wrote:Does anyone have any information of the theory going about that this entire Petrotrin saga was a deliberate plan to shelter certain folks from investigation regarding a particular scandal?

Refinery is profitable now???

Why has the union not picked up on the theory being circulated, would that mean it is false?


u cant accuse someone of stealing from petrotrin, when there is no petrotrin.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby gastly369 » October 18th, 2018, 8:39 pm

sMASH wrote:
Numb3r4 wrote:Does anyone have any information of the theory going about that this entire Petrotrin saga was a deliberate plan to shelter certain folks from investigation regarding a particular scandal?

Refinery is profitable now???

Why has the union not picked up on the theory being circulated, would that mean it is false?


u cant accuse someone of stealing from petrotrin, when there is no petrotrin.
#hammernail

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby Mr President » October 18th, 2018, 10:49 pm

According to the union's "analyst", 4600 refinery jobs ($100M) would be saved whilst 400 managerial jobs ($700M) would be potentially expatriated per year in salaries alone.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down

Postby The_Honourable » October 18th, 2018, 11:59 pm

Educational Officer of the OWTU Ozzi Warwick said nobody was being held to account at Petrotrin and moving forward this will be implemented. Financier John Van Dyke, who is the CEO of Sunstone Equity, says the refinery is not only viable but very profitable.


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