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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby neilsingh100 » August 28th, 2018, 1:21 pm

Petrotrin pension fund is worth more than 10 billion dollars that works out on average to 2 million+ per employee. I am sure employees with 15+ years service if retrenched would be able to get a decent pension.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby snypaz » August 28th, 2018, 1:22 pm

agent007 wrote:If you have a bad cut in your leg, would you go and play in still canal water? This is the analogical question to Petrotrin and its current state. For years the workers together with all other stakeholders could have made a difference to create a leaner more efficient company. Now that a leg in the body of T&T got infected, its like the owner of that leg saying to inject it and dress it and leave there until better can be done but yet you doing the same thing over and over by playing in canal water? Doing the same thing but expecting a different result? Soon when the leg infection grows so badly that gangrene is present - yet the owner says nah, do worry, just inject it and dress it. How stupid is that? When doctors realize that the owner of this leg is nuts, to save his life they amputate the leg and then we have a set of political points bandwagonists joining the discussion to ask, but how you could cut the man leg off just so? How would he look physically after that amputation? The 'supposed' man I am referring to perhaps may have a family and they would prefer that he loses that leg and then receive treatment to recover and perhaps use crotches or a wheelchair or even get a prosthetic leg as opposed to burying/cremating him now would they? That way everybody wins. But now as I liken this to Petrotrin's situation, they have been bleeding and infecting this entire country with massive debt yet they want us to turn a blind eye to this because 700-5000 people deserve to eat ah food still regardless the cost to the rest of the country. That sounding right?

As it stands....
1. So workers want the refinery to remain alive so they could continue the status quo.
2. UNC et al. having nothing constructive to think about so in the spirit of being an opposer, might as well join and say blame the PNM.
3. The 100+ trade union staff now have to adjust their Christmas wish list from BMW X6's to boat ride tickets, because of a drop in revenue attributable to union fees.
etc etc.
Thanks for this.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby mitch1980 » August 28th, 2018, 1:29 pm

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agent007 wrote:If you have a bad cut in your leg, would you go and play in still canal water? This is the analogical question to Petrotrin and its current state. For years the workers together with all other stakeholders could have made a difference to create a leaner more efficient company. Now that a leg in the body of T&T got infected, its like the owner of that leg saying to inject it and dress it and leave there until better can be done but yet you doing the same thing over and over by playing in canal water? Doing the same thing but expecting a different result? Soon when the leg infection grows so badly that gangrene is present - yet the owner says nah, do worry, just inject it and dress it. How stupid is that? When doctors realize that the owner of this leg is nuts, to save his life they amputate the leg and then we have a set of political points bandwagonists joining the discussion to ask, but how you could cut the man leg off just so? How would he look physically after that amputation? The 'supposed' man I am referring to perhaps may have a family and they would prefer that he loses that leg and then receive treatment to recover and perhaps use crotches or a wheelchair or even get a prosthetic leg as opposed to burying/cremating him now would they? That way everybody wins. But now as I liken this to Petrotrin's situation, they have been bleeding and infecting this entire country with massive debt yet they want us to turn a blind eye to this because 700-5000 people deserve to eat ah food still regardless the cost to the rest of the country. That sounding right?

As it stands....
1. So workers want the refinery to remain alive so they could continue the status quo.
2. UNC et al. having nothing constructive to think about so in the spirit of being an opposer, might as well join and say blame the PNM.
3. The 100+ trade union staff now have to adjust their Christmas wish list from BMW X6's to boat ride tickets, because of a drop in revenue attributable to union fees.
etc etc.

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in full agreement here. the bigger picture here is the overall economy of Trinidad. as the report says it is less costly to import gas than to have the refinery operate.

Kudos for the present admistration for staying focused on the BIG PICTURE - TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby mitch1980 » August 28th, 2018, 1:41 pm

so Roget has a few an option
1. hire 800 for E&P and 200 for refinery
2. import fuel for local market
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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby tr1ad » August 28th, 2018, 1:47 pm

sometimes a reboot is necessary...

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby sMASH » August 28th, 2018, 1:48 pm

They rehiring 800 annnnd importing fuel?

The processed fuel WILL be more expensive than crude.

That added cost annnnd u still hadda pay 800 people... 800 to do what?


Crude +1700 salaries > refined and 800 salaries?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby 16 cycles » August 28th, 2018, 1:50 pm

if they opening the market for imported fuel....we getting race gas at the pump?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby mitch1980 » August 28th, 2018, 1:55 pm

it is 800 for E&P. as they said over the weekend Petrotrin is only oil company not drilling currently.
the 200 ple is for refined products.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » August 28th, 2018, 2:17 pm

So wah is the latest?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby pugboy » August 28th, 2018, 2:31 pm

So if it shut down
What roget gonna do?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby hydroep » August 28th, 2018, 2:42 pm

^Jumbee TCL until they shut that dong too...:|

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby Dizzy28 » August 28th, 2018, 2:44 pm

pugboy wrote:So if it shut down
What roget gonna do?


OWTU is the substantive Union for a lot of bargaining units in other companies -
Companies where O.W.T.U. is the Recognized Majority Union (RMU)
Energy
Petrotrin (Petroleum Company of Trinidad & Tobago)
Trinmar (Petrotrin Trinmar Operations)
RAMCO Industries Ltd.
NATPET

Petro Chemicals
YARA (Yara Trinidad Ltd.)
NP (National Petroleum Market Co. Ltd.)
ANSA McAl Chemical Ltd.
RAMCO Industries Ltd.
NATPET

Electricity
T&TEC (Trinidad & Tobago Electricity Commission)
Powergen (Power Generation Company of Trinidad & Tobago)

Education Services
UWI (University of the West Indies St Augustine)
NTA (National Training Agency)

Hotel
Blue Heaven - Tobago
Turtle Beach - Tobago
Crown Point Beach Hotel - Tobago

Food Processing
National Canners Ltd.
Universal Foods Ltd.
Associated Brands Ltd.
Flavorite Foods Limited
Nestlé (Nestle Trinidad & Tobago Ltd.)

Catering
Food Catering Services Ltd.

Manufacturing
Unilever Caribbean Ltd.
Tye Manufacturing Co. Ltd.

Heavy Industry
TCL (Trinidad Cement Ltd.)
TAP (Trinidad Aggregate Products Ltd.)
Readymix Trinidad

Construction
Damus Ltd.
Carillion (Carillion Caribbean Ltd.)

Energy Services Industries
Damus Ltd.
Caribbean Inspection & Metallurgical Services Ltd.
Lennox Pettroleum Services Ltd.
Well Services Ltd.
Miller Group of Companies
Offshore Atlantic
Gulf Marine Services Ltd.
Coastal Marine
Global Santa Fe South america L.L.C
Bristow Caribbean Ltd
National Helicopter Services Ltd.
Schlumberger Trinidad Incorporation
Oilbelt Services Ltd.
Ventrin Petroleum Co. Ltd.
Nathan Petroleum Services Co. Ltd.
Svitzer Marine Trinidad Ltd.
Rahamut Service Stations

Packaging & Distribution Services
TCL Packaging Ltd.
CPI (Caribbean Packaging Industries Ltd.)
T Geddes Grant Ltd.

Service Industries
Tobago Dive Experience
Tobago Taxi Cab Co-Operative Society

Financial Services
TECU
Antilles Credit Union
Zenith Credit Union
Palo Seco Credit Union
Mount Pleasant Credit Union (Tobago)

Retail
Price Smart Trinidad (Chaguanas, Port of Spain & Mausica)


http://www.owtu.org/content/industries

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby mitch1980 » August 28th, 2018, 2:44 pm

" Petrotrin chairman Wilfred Espinet says there is no likelihood that the company's refinery will be sold.

* In order to keep Petrotrin profitable, chairman Wilfred Espinet says the cancer that is the refinery and marketing unit must be removed.

* All refined products except LPG will be imported when Petrotrin shuts down its refinery in the coming months- this according to Petrotrin chairman Wilfred Espinet.

* Petrotrin chairman Wilfred Espinet says there are 1700 temporary & permanent workers in the company's refinery as the Petrotrin board announces the closure of the refinery.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby hydroep » August 28th, 2018, 2:56 pm

So does that mean NP going to import and rebrand products or dais it for them too?

More questions than answers yes...:|

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby sMASH » August 28th, 2018, 3:10 pm

Who getting the import contracts...

Roget said the canceled crude shipments already.

Rowley say they dojng exploration and extraction... So When u extract, Ent u hadda sell it?

Buying value added, but exporting low cost crude?

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Postby kstt » August 28th, 2018, 3:10 pm

Looking for a Black Male Mannequin to buy for Roget or he might just prefer a White Male. PNM FOREVER!!

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby hydroep » August 28th, 2018, 3:14 pm

Dunno what it is with the sound quality and these Petrotrin videos today. Audio is very low.


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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby The_Honourable » August 28th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Ok sooo... the rumors from last week was pretty much spot on?

It wasn't "fake news" according to Guy Smiley?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby Joshie23 » August 28th, 2018, 4:10 pm

Soo..since we're 'cleaning up', eliminating wastage and saving the country's economy and what not, who's next? WASA, TTEC, TSTT..Cabinet?

Refinery shutting down in the coming months according to Espinet and then out of the blue, some saviour company, origins unknown, will place a bid for it.

The_Honourable wrote:Ok sooo... the rumors from last week was pretty much spot on?

It wasn't "fake news" according to Guy Smiley?

Bear in mind, this is the same Guy Smiley that magnified A&V in Parliament only to deny any affiliation to them when the 'Fake Oil' scandal unraveled..we still take them seriously?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby jhonnieblue » August 28th, 2018, 4:23 pm

Hopefully WASA is next. With the actions taken recently to cut back on financial losses country wide, expect the upcoming budget to continue removal of all subsidies ( gas electricity and water)

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby INHUMAN » August 28th, 2018, 4:25 pm

You dont have to cut ppl...just cut the useless exorbitant salaries.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby Dizzy28 » August 28th, 2018, 4:31 pm

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Several questions as a non energy lay person
1. This is a bit confusing. Importing 100,000 BOPD to supplement the 40,000BOPD being produced is a drain on forex. But to import 25,000BOPD of refined products would also utilize Forex and I am assuming refined products are more expensive than crude. Is it the arbitrage is significantly less?

2. Do we not export all the refined products not used locally anyhows earning forex?

3. We are going to only sell lower value crude to someone else to refine taking our self out of the value chain?

One of the items on the agenda of Theresa May's visit to Nigeria soon is the find a way to correct the imbalance of the UK importing Crude as their #1 import from Nigeria whilst the #1 export to Nigeria is refined products.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby toyolink » August 28th, 2018, 4:45 pm

The really unfortunate thing about all that's going on locally which has gotten us to really terrible levels of inefficiency, is the fact that management and workers demonstrate a culture which no longer accepts a responsibility for commitment to a honest days work and the need to excel at what we do.
Trinidad and Tobago has for too long become complacent and unambitious with the majority of folks set on instant gratification (lotto does very well).
Very few can cry innocence and our children will have to bear the pain.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby hydroep » August 28th, 2018, 5:05 pm

I sympathize with those families contemplating their future tonight, especially those with children.

They say what doh kill yuh does make yuh stronger. For their sake I hope is the latter yes...:|

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby sMASH » August 28th, 2018, 5:28 pm

How many more doubles vendors and ph men it will have on the road?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby Redman » August 28th, 2018, 5:35 pm

Probably have a discounted price for the fuels....this has happened in the past when there were issues in the refinery...they would import from Vene.

The refinery will likely be upgraded and brought back into production.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery to shut down?

Postby airuma » August 28th, 2018, 5:35 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Capture.PNG

Several questions as a non energy lay person
1. This is a bit confusing. Importing 100,000 BOPD to supplement the 40,000BOPD being produced is a drain on forex. But to import 25,000BOPD of refined products would also utilize Forex and I am assuming refined products are more expensive than crude. Is it the arbitrage is significantly less?

2. Do we not export all the refined products not used locally anyhows earning forex?

3. We are going to only sell lower value crude to someone else to refine taking our self out of the value chain?

One of the items on the agenda of Theresa May's visit to Nigeria soon is the find a way to correct the imbalance of the UK importing Crude as their #1 import from Nigeria whilst the #1 export to Nigeria is refined products.

Depends on what 25,000 barrels of oil equivalent means to Espinet, IMHO, it could be:
1. equivalent in terms of market value
2. required fractions that could be produced from 20,000 barrels of oil
3. 25,000 barrels of required fractions.
Maybe the sale of the 40,000 BOPD will generate enough forex to purchase the 25,000 barrels of fractions. This means petrotrin will not be a net user of forex.

Most important is how much will we be paying for fuel in the next few weeks because the entire country may now have to face an increase in cost of living while a few were allowed to "live it up" at our expense..... yet they come on the forums and try to justify their unnecessary compensations and try to make us believe that they are doing us a service by putting their lives on the line so that we can get fuel for our vehicles.

And no likelihood that the refinery would be sold...... that maybe a correct statement at the time it was made but with Guyana expecting big oil to flow by 2020 of which 30% will belong to Guyana to refine wherever they wish..... I'm sure things will change in the next two years...... maybe in the euphoria of the election some 1% might "get through".

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