Making child for US citizenship? Party done.

[The_Honourable]

Trump seeks to remove birthright citizenship

Caribbean citizens who travel to the US to have their children there in order to secure US citizenship for them may no longer be able to in future.

President Donald Trump is pushing ahead with immigration policies, saying he wants to remove the constitutional right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born in the United States.



Trump made the comments to "Axios on HBO" ahead of elections that he has sought to focus on his hardline immigration policies. Trump, seeking to energize his supporters and help Republicans keep control of Congress, has stoked anxiety about a caravan of Central American migrants making its way to the U.S.-Mexico border.

He is dispatching additional troops and saying he'll set up tent cities for asylum seekers.

Revoking birthright citizenship would spark a court fight over whether the president has the unilateral ability to change an amendment to the Constitution. The 14th Amendment guarantees that right for all children born in the U.S.

Asked about the legality of such an executive order, Trump said, "they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."

"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States."

An excerpt of the interview was posted on Axios' website on Tuesday.

The president said White House lawyers are reviewing his proposal. It's unclear how quickly he would act on an executive order. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for additional comment.

Some experts questioned whether Trump could follow through.

Omar Jadwat, director of the Immigrants' Rights Project at the American Civil Liberties Union in New York, said Tuesday said the Constitution is very clear.

"If you are born in the United States, you're a citizen," he said, adding that it was "outrageous that the president can think he can override constitutional guarantees by issuing an executive order,

Jadwat said the president has an obligation to uphold the Constitution. Trump can try to get Congress to pass a constitutional amendment, "but I don't think they are anywhere close to getting that."

"Obviously, even if he did, it would be subject to court challenge," he added.

In the final days before the Nov. 6 midterms, Trump has emphasized immigration, as he seeks to counter Democratic enthusiasm.

Trump believes that his campaign pledges, including his much-vaunted and still-unfulfilled promise to quickly build a U.S.-Mexico border wall, are still rallying cries for his base and that this latest focus will further erode the enthusiasm gap.

Trump voiced his theory that birthright citizenship could be stripped during his campaign, when he described it as a "magnet for illegal immigration."

During a 2015 campaign stop in Florida, he said: "The birthright citizenship - the anchor baby - birthright citizenship, it's over, not going to happen."

The first line of the 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

The 14th Amendment was passed by Congress in 1866 during the period of Reconstruction after the Civil War. It was ratified in 1868 by three-fourths of the states.

By extending citizenship to those born in the U.S., the amendment nullified an 1857 Supreme Court decision (Dred Scott v. Sandford), which ruled that those descended from slaves could not be citizens.

The Axios HBO series debuts on Sunday.

Source: http://www.looptt.com/content/trump-see ... itizenship

[pugboy]

California has a big motel industry where Asians come to stay to have chile

[adnj]

Reality check: The U.S. is far from the only country with birthright citizenship

In an interview with "Axios on HBO", President Trump falsely claimed that the U.S. is "the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Reality check: More than 30 other countries — mostly in the Western Hemisphere, specifically in the Americas — offer birthright citizenship, including Canada and Mexico, according to World Atlas.


The full list, per World Atlas:

Antigua and Barbuda

Argentina

Barbados

Belize

Bolivia

Brazil

Canada

Chile

Cuba

Dominican Republic

Ecuador

El Salvador

Fiji

Grenada

Guatemala

Guyana

Honduras

Jamaica

Mexico

Nicaragua

Panama

Paraguay

Peru

St. Kitts and Nevis

St. Lucia

St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Trinidad and Tobago

United States

Uruguay

Venezuela

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-birthright-citizenship-united-states-9eab79da-126d-4dc5-b8fc-b5a2287e0f9a.html

[MG Man]

California has a big motel industry where Asians come to stay to have chile

mmmm preggy asians

[Les Bain]

All that lactation in one building.....

[rspann]

Reality check: The U.S. is far from the only country with birthright citizenship

In an interview with "Axios on HBO", President Trump falsely claimed that the U.S. is "the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Reality check: More than 30 other countries — mostly in the Western Hemisphere, specifically in the Americas — offer birthright citizenship, including Canada and Mexico, according to World Atlas.


The full list, per World Atlas:

Antigua and Barbuda

Argentina

Barbados

Belize

Bolivia

Brazil

Canada

Chile

Cuba

Dominican Republic

Ecuador

El Salvador

Fiji

Grenada

Guatemala

Guyana

Honduras

Jamaica

Mexico

Nicaragua

Panama

Paraguay

Peru

St. Kitts and Nevis

St. Lucia

St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Trinidad and Tobago

United States

Uruguay

Venezuela

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-birthright-citizenship-united-states-9eab79da-126d-4dc5-b8fc-b5a2287e0f9a.html

Technically he's correct. It is the only country where if you make a child, the child is automatically a US citizen.
If you make it in another country on the list then it's a citizen of that country.

[MaxPower]

Shame on ppl using a baby as a ticket for “3 jobs nice life”...

Send dey mc back where they came from

[MG Man]

All that lactation in one building.....

I feel I hadda plan a trip

[pugboy]

Small islanders been doing that here for a long time

[redmanjp]

So if the parents are from a country without citizenship via descent d chile won't have citizenship ANYWHERE in the world if born in the US? That can't be right

[Dizzy28]

If its one thing this issue has done is raised awarness.

I was stunned to learn that no European country offers citizenship by birthright.
Apparently the US and Canada are the only two high income countries in the world that offer automatic citizenship to someone born in their countries regardless of the status of the parents.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/s ... er-birthr/

[tr1ad]

anchor chile ting

[adnj]

Then you may want to read this also...

How Countries Define Their Income Tax Borders

Kyle Pomerleau

One unique aspect of the United States’ tax code is that it taxes the income of all its citizens no matter where they live. In recent years, this has caused a lot of headaches for U.S. citizens living abroad, especially since the passage of FATCA. Many believe this is leading U.S. expatriates to renounce their citizenship.

The practice of a country taxing its citizens’ income no matter where they live is actually very rare in the world. The United States is one of just two countries (the other being the African nation of Eritrea) that taxes individuals’ based on their citizenship. Other countries mainly levy their income tax on those who live in the country, ignoring those who live elsewhere.

If its one thing this issue has done is raised awarness.

I was stunned to learn that no European country offers citizenship by birthright.
Apparently the US and Canada are the only two high income countries in the world that offer automatic citizenship to someone born in their countries regardless of the status of the parents.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/s ... er-birthr/

https://taxfoundation.org/how-countries-define-their-income-tax-borders-0/

[jhonnieblue]

So what if the mother is a US citizen and father a Trini? Does that prevent the child being born in the US from obtaining US citizenship?

[SMc]

Oh great- should I cancel the Airbnb apartment & under-subscribed orgy I was planning for Florida in the new year?

[redmanjp]

Even if trump issues an executive order SCOTUS will kill it as it's in the Constitution

[redmanjp]

So what if the mother is a US citizen and father a Trini? Does that prevent the child being born in the US from obtaining US citizenship?

It might still have a chance at citizenship.by descent from the mom

[teems1]

Even if trump issues an executive order SCOTUS will kill it as it's in the Constitution

The only way to amend the constitution is via congress. That however needs a 2/3rds majority, which DT will never have during his tenure.

[maj. tom]

Trump fart air not even worthy of a whole new thread. Best he had sent this out as a tweet so everyone could ignore it as usual. The 14th Amendment is well established in the US Constitution and confirmed several times in history by the Supreme Court.

Trump could skin his orange retard ass across seven borders and seven seas about it. It's not going to change.

[shogun]

Hopefully they symbolically start with sending Baron and Melania packing back to Slovenia.

Trump fart air not even worthy of a whole new thread.

Not to the chronic Trump fart smelling tuners/trolls. They can't get enough.

[rmrunner]

..............

[shogun]

^Lmao.

[adnj]

It's even more difficult than that: you need a 2/3rds majority of the House and a 2/3rds majority of the Senate just to propose the amendment.

Then you need to have a 3/4ths majority of the individual states accept and ratify the amendment.

Even if trump issues an executive order SCOTUS will kill it as it's in the Constitution

The only way to amend the constitution is via congress. That however needs a 2/3rds majority, which DT will never have during his tenure.

[shogun]

Men debating this yes...

It's just a little pre-midterm red meat for his rabid supporters.

[88sins]

Donald Dump want to make that a reality bad, but he can't. iirc, one primary argument being that it goes against the US constitution. then there's the other issue, it'll negatively impact a lot of people he wasn't targeting. citizenship will be something everyone will have to apply for, including those that born there years ago that think they're Americans today. Ppl with sense already know what he wants to do go make one big stinking mess. I foresee this going the way of the proposed wall he say he go build, then he say he go make Mexico pay for it, then all talk about wall dead, no wall building & nobody saying nothing about it.


funny how the direct descendant of illegal immigrants can be so severely biased against immigrants, in a country that was founded and built into what it is today by immigrants.

[MG Man]

so what exactly wrong with what drump proposing?
why you travelling pregnant anyways?

[shogun]

funny how the direct descendant of illegal immigrants can be so severely biased against immigrants, in a country that was founded and built into what it is today by immigrants.

Worse yet is that Republicans are actually trying to suppress the Native American votes, by requiring street addresses in states like North Dakota (Many still live on reservations that have no street addresses) Descendants of immigrants trying to deny the ONLY true "Americans" their vote, yes. Take that with the severe gerrymandering/voter ID laws and the manufactured hysteria to gin up the base by sending thousands of troops to the border, for some poor immigrants and you begin to see how desperate tings are on the right. They're creating more obstacles to vote than for unfit persons to purchase a firearm.

[The_Honourable]

I'm surprised how many Trinis on social media vex about this. Preggers travelling to the US going to increase

The argument is that the context of the 14th amendment at the time was for the then newly freed slaves. It was not intended as a loophole for immigrants to come in legally or illegally to have a baby or babies and get a pass plus benefits.

Since the details of the plan is absent, we are speculating but it seems Trump not going after the 14th amendment directly but is currently seeking a way to define the parameters of american citizenship and end birthright fully. If he is really doing an Executive Order, it will be challenged and a court can strike it down meaning that the order may be enforced temporarily. Trump can always appeal and take it to the now "Conservative" supreme court...

[RedVEVO]

Trump fart air not even worthy of a whole new thread. Best he had sent this out as a tweet so everyone could ignore it as usual. The 14th Amendment is well established in the US Constitution and confirmed several times in history by the Supreme Court.

Trump could skin his orange retard ass across seven borders and seven seas about it. It's not going to change.

X 2

Trump will never get a second term .

[hydroep]

I'm surprised how many Trinis on social media vex about this. Preggers travelling to the US going to increase

The argument is that the context of the 14th amendment at the time was for the then newly freed slaves. It was not intended as a loophole for immigrants to come in legally or illegally to have a baby or babies and get a pass plus benefits.

Since the details of the plan is absent, we are speculating but it seems Trump not going after the 14th amendment directly but is currently seeking a way to define the parameters of american citizenship and end birthright fully. If he is really doing an Executive Order, it will be challenged and a court can strike it down meaning that the order may be enforced temporarily. Trump can always appeal and take it to the now "Conservative" supreme court...