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Slartibartfast wrote:Miktay wrote:Startee: I am going to take your points one by one. But due to the limitations of the communication media I will have to break them into separate pieces to keep things clear.
Lets start with the yellow vests protest.Are the yellow vest protesters against global warming or are they protesting the increased taxes? Is the increased taxes the absolute only way to combat global warming?
They riots were triggered because of a carbon tax on fuel but resentment of the French people has been simmering for years. The carbon tax was the straw that broke the camel's back.
The French gubbament tax proposal would ostensibly to shift consumption away from fossil fuel towards cleaner burning technology. A large majority of French cars run on diesel.
But clean alternatives come at a cost. The French protesters did not want to pay the cost.
And in some cases clean alternatives are not practical...
Right so according they are protesting the tax. Again, the taxes and initiatives should be used where they can make a difference. Increased taxes are just going to increase the burden on ordinary citizens in a way that leaves thek no choice. Why not make it more expensive to buy new gas/diesel vehicles and easier to own electrical vehicles? They can try other ways of gradually weaning people off fossil fuels without creating a huge burden.
Btw, what were the increased taxes going towards?
The adoption of plug-in electric vehicles in the France is actively supported by the French government through a bonus-malus system and other incentives. The government provides subsidies towards the purchase of all-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids with low CO2 emissions.[12][13] The French government also set up a national purchase incentive scheme for all-electric utility vans.[14]
As of December 2017, the stock of light-duty plug-in electric vehicles registered in France since 2010 totaled almost 150,000 units.[11][15] The country, as of December 2016, ranked as the second largest plug-in market in Europe after Norway, and the world's fifth.[15][16] As of December 2017, the French plug-in electric stock consisted of 92,256 all-electric passenger cars, 25,269 all-electric utility vans, and 32,272 plug-in hybrids.[10][11][15] The split among type of powertrain is influenced by the rules of the government subsidies, which favors pure electric vehicles over plug-in hybrids.[10][11][15]
The market share of all-electric passenger cars increased from 0.30% of new car registered in 2012, to 0.49% in 2013, and reached 0.59% in 2014.[1][17][18] Until 2013, most plug-in cars sold in France were pure electric cars, but from 2015, sales of plug-in hybrid cars rose significantly. After the introduction of super-bonus for the scrappage of old diesel-power cars in 2015, sales of both segments of plug-in cars surged, and for the first time the French plug-in market share passed the 1% mark, ending 2015 with a market share of 1.17% of total new car registrations that year.[1][8][19] The plug-in market share climbed to 1.40% of new car registrations in 2016,[1][10] and achieved a record market share of 1.98% in 2017.[11]
Miktay wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:Miktay wrote:Startee: I am going to take your points one by one. But due to the limitations of the communication media I will have to break them into separate pieces to keep things clear.
Lets start with the yellow vests protest.Are the yellow vest protesters against global warming or are they protesting the increased taxes? Is the increased taxes the absolute only way to combat global warming?
They riots were triggered because of a carbon tax on fuel but resentment of the French people has been simmering for years. The carbon tax was the straw that broke the camel's back.
The French gubbament tax proposal would ostensibly to shift consumption away from fossil fuel towards cleaner burning technology. A large majority of French cars run on diesel.
But clean alternatives come at a cost. The French protesters did not want to pay the cost.
And in some cases clean alternatives are not practical...
Right so according they are protesting the tax. Again, the taxes and initiatives should be used where they can make a difference. Increased taxes are just going to increase the burden on ordinary citizens in a way that leaves thek no choice. Why not make it more expensive to buy new gas/diesel vehicles and easier to own electrical vehicles? They can try other ways of gradually weaning people off fossil fuels without creating a huge burden.
Btw, what were the increased taxes going towards?
Taxes are going towards funding the French Welfare state ostensibly. But the carbon tax was just the straw that broke the camels back. The simmering discontent of the masses have been building for a long time now.
The French love a good riot.
The carbon taxes were on diesel. The cost in France iz just below USD 6.15 per gallon.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Fran ... el_prices/
There are incentives for electric vehicle purchases in France.The adoption of plug-in electric vehicles in the France is actively supported by the French government through a bonus-malus system and other incentives. The government provides subsidies towards the purchase of all-electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids with low CO2 emissions.[12][13] The French government also set up a national purchase incentive scheme for all-electric utility vans.[14]
As of December 2017, the stock of light-duty plug-in electric vehicles registered in France since 2010 totaled almost 150,000 units.[11][15] The country, as of December 2016, ranked as the second largest plug-in market in Europe after Norway, and the world's fifth.[15][16] As of December 2017, the French plug-in electric stock consisted of 92,256 all-electric passenger cars, 25,269 all-electric utility vans, and 32,272 plug-in hybrids.[10][11][15] The split among type of powertrain is influenced by the rules of the government subsidies, which favors pure electric vehicles over plug-in hybrids.[10][11][15]
The market share of all-electric passenger cars increased from 0.30% of new car registered in 2012, to 0.49% in 2013, and reached 0.59% in 2014.[1][17][18] Until 2013, most plug-in cars sold in France were pure electric cars, but from 2015, sales of plug-in hybrid cars rose significantly. After the introduction of super-bonus for the scrappage of old diesel-power cars in 2015, sales of both segments of plug-in cars surged, and for the first time the French plug-in market share passed the 1% mark, ending 2015 with a market share of 1.17% of total new car registrations that year.[1][8][19] The plug-in market share climbed to 1.40% of new car registrations in 2016,[1][10] and achieved a record market share of 1.98% in 2017.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_e ... _in_France
So what you are saying is that this has very little to do with Global Warming?
If so it may be best to start another thread aboit global warming to avoid a thread hijack. What you think?
Everyone but himself: Macron blames social media & Russia for Yellow Vests
Who is at fault for Yellow Vest protests raging in France since November? For President Emmanuel Macron it's not actual economic problems or his own decisions, but the right, the left, social media and, of course, “Russes.”
Macron blasted the nation's mainstream media for failing to control the narrative and argued that social networks and “the Russians” are driving all content instead, with traditional outlets falling into line. The president's calculated outburst was published by the weekly Le Point on Friday, just before the Yellow Vests officially marked the 12th consecutive week of staging large-scale protests against the government.
The president dismissed Eric Drouet, the 33-year-old trucker who emerged as a prominent figure in the protests, as “a media product, a product of social networks,” and claimed that the demonstrators are being “advised from outside,” without elaborating. He argued that 90 percent of the chatter online about the Yellow Vests comes from the “[far] rightists, leftists, and the Russians.”
First slackers, now trolls
Yet, 18 months after bending the French party system to his will and his triumphant win against bien-pensant pariah Marine Le Pen, Macron’s excuses for disappointing expectations are running thin.
His first cannonade in what was intended to be a sweeping march of modernity, was a labor reform that he claimed would help small businesses. It was met with protests from unions, public sector workers who said it made firing easier, and those fearing loss of benefits.
In a preview of what has now become the norm, Macron dismissed the opponents of his policies as “slackers.” In spring the following year thousands were back in the streets protesting against an education reform that makes it more difficult for students to attend public universities of their choice, and taxes that favored the rich.
Unlike the Yellow Vests which began on November 17, 2018, these did not become a weekly feature of French political life. Nor did they spill into nationwide discontent.
This time not only are the protesters demanding more, but the dismissive tone of the government is helping to only inflame them, not dampen things down.
It took Macron four straight weeks of clashes, tear gas, and cannons all across France to finally address the nation. He did so only after the rallies descended into violent street battles with police, with injuries on both sides and hundreds of protesters detained.
The government has already suspended the fuel tax hike that caused the traffic law-mandated vests to be put on in the first place, while the president has promised to raise the minimum wage.
But for many demonstrators these actions are belated, and do not address underlying issues. “It's not enough. We still have to fight the current taxes, the ones that have been in place for years. We should have woken up years ago, and now we have to make up for the years we missed,” one of the original and most popular Yellow Vests, Ghislain Coutard, told Deutsche Welle, adding that Macron should “come out of his hole and face” the people.
Macron’s Houdini move out of this predicament has been the organization of months-long nationwide debates that are intended to both defuse and diffuse the anger. So far, many of the Yellow Vest leaders have turned down the opportunity to talk, particularly with the latest Macron statements suggesting the president is no more prepared to listen.
On Thursday Macron did try to be more understanding, regretting his arrogance when saying he is a “gilet jaune,” and claiming the past 12 weeks of protests left him scarred as he talked to three major French outlets. The next day however, he altered his tune, slamming the media and blaming the protests on Russian trolls.
S*** got real! Cops pelted with FECAL BOMBS during Yellow Vest protests in Marseille
The Yellow Vest protesters have apparently adopted an unconventional weapon against the French law enforcement – fecal bombs. At least three policemen have been already affected by them during the most recent protest.
The criminal police (BAC) officers came under the excrement attack in the city of Marseille on Saturday, getting heavily stained by fecal matter. One of the officers has reportedly received injury to insult, sustaining physical damage to his elbow.
The incident was acknowledged by the police, with the head of a local police union Rudy Manna revealing the details of the crappy encounter to the La Provence newspaper.
“[The police officers] had it in their hair, on their shoes, they had to dump their clothes. They've told me they've never been that humiliated,” Manna said. “And since it was truly sh*tty afternoon, the showers did not work at the North Station, they had to clean themselves with cold water in the garage.”
The perpetrators have not been identified yet, as they hid among other protesters, the union leader added.
The murky projectiles are dubbed 'Cacatov' – after trusty Molotov cocktail fire bombs – just filled with fecal matter instead of pricey gasoline. A ‘lighter’ version of the dung bomb is known as 'Pipitov' and comes filled with the number one compound.
Apart from Marseille, the Cacatovs were reportedly deployed by the Yellow Vests in Montpellier. The excrement bombs have been deployed in Paris as early as February 23, with a police union sounding alarm over “premeditated and disgusting” acts of the protesters.
Ahead of the Act 16 protests, certain individuals have been spotted promoting the fecal bombs online, sharing tips on how to cook them properly. The waste is watered – or p*ssed – down to a liquid state and then poured into tight plastic containers, balloons, etc. which easily fracture on impact.
One of the Yellow Vest protesters has even released quite a lengthy video, highlighting the benefits of such weaponry. He lauded the psychological effect the Cacatovs allegedly have on the law enforcement, who would see it as an ultimate insult. According to the protester, the idea originates in Venezuela, where the anti-government demonstrators deployed the poop bombs as early as in 2017. The idea to throw feces at one's opponent, however, appears to be a little bit more ancient than that and surely dates back to prehistoric times.
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