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They have rioted...France fuel protest. UPDATE: Gov't removed tax.

Postby hydroep » November 17th, 2018, 9:54 am

France fuel protest: One dead in 'yellow vest' blockades

A protester has died and there are reports of several injuries as demonstrators angry at rising fuel prices disrupt traffic across France.

The female protester was struck after a driver panicked and drove towards demonstrators, reports said.

Some 120,000 "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, have gathered in 2,000 locations.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron admitted this week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

Officials have warned that, while they will not stop the protests, they will not allow them to bring the French road network to a standstill.

What has happened so far?

The female protester was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them, Le Parisien newspaper reported.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock. Protesters in Brittany in north-western France held a minute's silence for the victim.

The protest "would be a failure" if it cost lives, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner was quoted by Le Parisien as saying.

"We are very worried. It is important to avoid risks," he said.

Elsewhere in France there were reports of dozens of injuries, most taking place as infuriated drivers attempted to force their vehicles through crowds of protesters.

In Arras in northern France a 71-year-old demonstrator suffered serious injuries after being struck by a car which then scattered more demonstrators as the driver sped off, la Voix du Nord newspaper reported. The driver was later arrested.

In the northern town of Hazebrouck, two people were hurt when a truck driver mounted a pavement and forced the vehicle through protesters, la Voix du Nord reported.

Two more people were hurt when a blocked driver turned round and collided with two oncoming vehicles near the eastern city of Besançon, L'Est Républicain reported.

In Sélestat near Strasbourg a driver ran over a protester's foot, the DNA regional news website reported.

In the southern town of Grasse, a police officer was struck by a driver attempting to force his vehicle through a protest. The driver was arrested, Nice-Matin reported.

Police have used tear gas to disperse protesters blocking a bridge in Savoy, reports said.
Why are drivers on the warpath?

The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. Mr Castaner argued that the fall in world oil prices would compensate for the tax increase.

How big is the movement?

It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault, Elabe told AFP.
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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Some of the protesters have been chanting that Mr Macron should resign, our correspondent says.
Are opposition politicians involved?

They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging the movement on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

On the radical left of French politics, Jean-Luc Mélenchon predicted that Saturday would be "divorce day for the French people" and the Macron project.

However, the movement has no single leader and is not organised by any trade union.

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

Is there any room for compromise?


On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

However, President Macron defended the tax on diesel, saying: "We have to tax fossil fuels more in order to fund our investments in renewable."

Meanwhile, as potentially the biggest protest of his presidency gathers steam, protesters mock him relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, for which he famously scolded a student for using.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46233560

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Re: They have rioted...France fuel protest.

Postby Dizzy28 » November 17th, 2018, 10:32 am

Those fuel taxes though!!!

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Postby MaxPower » November 17th, 2018, 10:45 am

Damn, i hope the panicked driver is ok. God knows how scared they mustve been with the riot.

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Postby sMASH » November 17th, 2018, 10:51 am

Did they apply for permission to protest legally?

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Postby Dizzy28 » November 17th, 2018, 10:59 am

sMASH wrote:Did they apply for permission to protest legally?
They had permission. They had to wear the high visibility vests as part of the protest action.

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Postby ProtonPowder » November 17th, 2018, 12:15 pm

If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France

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Postby sMASH » November 17th, 2018, 12:30 pm

Some 120,000 "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, have gathered in 2,000 locations.

seems like a road safety rule for cars in france, not for this protest

Police have used tear gas to disperse protesters blocking a bridge in Savoy

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Postby l33t2 » November 17th, 2018, 1:39 pm

ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.

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Postby maj. tom » November 17th, 2018, 1:43 pm

lol i knew it was only a matter of time when we would come back to the retarded argument that it's ok for high taxes in TT because other countries have it worse.

Haha, yeah those other countries have smooth roads and proper sewage systems too. Oh and less crime and a better education system. And...

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Postby ProtonPowder » November 17th, 2018, 1:57 pm

l33t2 wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.

Exposition isn't advocacy; where was my opinion or judgement in that sentence?

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Postby zorced » November 17th, 2018, 3:50 pm

l33t2 wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.


maj. tom wrote:lol i knew it was only a matter of time when we would come back to the retarded argument that it's ok for high taxes in TT because other countries have it worse.

Haha, yeah those other countries have smooth roads and proper sewage systems too. Oh and less crime and a better education system. And...



and yet they still managed to achieve that after the damage from WW1 and WW2.

You really cannot draw reference to Trinidad with the rest of the world.

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Re: They have rioted...France fuel protest.

Postby Redress10 » November 17th, 2018, 10:55 pm

l33t2 wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.


Clearly you've never actually been to France....None of those things apply to France.

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Postby Numb3r4 » November 18th, 2018, 3:28 am

Trinidad and Tobago as a nation is a different kind of special.

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Postby jhonnieblue » November 18th, 2018, 8:37 am

Macron has a game plan that is to push for the removal of IC throughout France. When I was there this year you could see the increase use of electric and renewable energy throughout France.
Trinidad has no plans for diversified energy mix. What we had was abusal of the subsidy. So yes that needed to go. We abuse all subsidies and then compare ourselves to first world countries that are beyond the curve from a development point of view.
With most car manufacturers having plans to transition to EV and AV very soon why keep dependency syndrome on traditional fuel. It's time to force the population to transition and increase the energy mix.
The next step is to raise electricity prices locally and allow for net metering or feed in tarrifs to the grid to allow for a rise in renewables.

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Re: They have rioted...France fuel protest.

Postby 88sins » November 18th, 2018, 9:12 am

Meanwhile in T&T
"dey ain't riot yet"

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Postby Dizzy28 » November 18th, 2018, 9:21 am

Redress10 wrote:
l33t2 wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.


Clearly you've never actually been to France....None of those things apply to France.
You can only determine those things by immersion and not through vacation.

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Postby death365 » December 3rd, 2018, 1:03 pm

almost three weeks now, and they still rioting

in sweet T&T ... we liming for Christmas to Carnival... no wonder we is a 1 x 1 country (3rd world). we just sit back an take it

**** my self included , ah just switch to premium ****

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They have rioted...France fuel protest.

Postby Miktay » December 3rd, 2018, 2:27 pm

So the French socialists voted for expensive clean energy to deal with a non issue and now they vex?

They look for that.

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Postby teems1 » December 3rd, 2018, 3:02 pm

Redress10 wrote:
l33t2 wrote:
ProtonPowder wrote:If people ever want to complain about the quantity and magnitude of Trinidad's tax systems, give this page a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France


Have you lived in France? Imagine a country where the cost of living is cheaper, average salary is higher, crime is insanely low, education system is excellent, healthcare is excellent and infrastructure incredible.


Clearly you've never actually been to France....None of those things apply to France.


Clearly you've never left Paris.

France <> Paris.

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Postby hydroep » December 3rd, 2018, 5:20 pm

Things escalating, an 80-year old woman was killed on saturday when she was hit by a tear gas canister...:|

Emergency meeting held today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46417991

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » December 4th, 2018, 11:38 am

Macron SURRENDERS to the rioters: French president caves in and suspends fuel tax hikes in victory for the Yellow Vests after days of violent protests

Days of 'yellow vest' demonstrations have seen mass vandalism and hundreds of arrests across France.
The protests began as a rebellion against fuel prices and planned tax hikes but later grew into civil unrest.
French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe met with ministers to find ways of ending violence yesterday.
Government will freeze planned hikes on regulated electricity and gas prices in a bid to end the riots.


French President Emmanuel Macron has today caved in and suspended hated fuel tax hikes in a victory for the Yellow Vest protesters.

In a humiliating U-turn, the government said it was planning to freeze upcoming increases on regulated electricity and gas prices following emergency talks at the Elysee Palace.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe told MPs that stricter vehicle emission controls set to kick in in January 2019 will also be suspended - one of the demands of the movement which erupted last month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... oting.html

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Postby Miktay » December 4th, 2018, 11:56 am

Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

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Postby sMASH » December 4th, 2018, 11:57 am

And their will is done.

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Postby Miktay » December 4th, 2018, 11:59 am

They vote fuh dat.

The moral of the story is politicians better be careful what they promise.

There are no free choices.

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Postby Trinispougla » December 4th, 2018, 12:08 pm

Miktay wrote:Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

Trinidad must only be liberals then
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Postby Ben_spanna » December 4th, 2018, 12:12 pm

Trinispougla wrote:
Miktay wrote:Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

Trinidad must only be liberals then


Nope- Trinidad is divided into The smart people, then the stupid group who only see a rising sun, and the other group of dotish fvckers that only see RED.

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Trinispougla wrote:
Miktay wrote:Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

Trinidad must only be liberals then


Plenty ppl into the fashionable environmentally conscious trend nowadays.

But they’re shortsighted. They only looking at the benefits. They don’t see the cost.

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Postby hydroep » December 4th, 2018, 1:24 pm

Great victory for the people of France...at least for the time being. Sad that people had to lose their lives but this is what happens when big Government loses touch with the people. And this was only one aspect of wider tax reforms eh. Check this graph of how the tax changes were expected to impact the different classes of French society:

... An analysis of the 2018-19 budget carried out by France's public policy institute, for example, found that incomes for the poorest quarter of households would largely drop or stay the same under the plans...


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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46437904

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Postby Slartibartfast » December 4th, 2018, 2:54 pm

Miktay wrote:
Trinispougla wrote:
Miktay wrote:Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

Trinidad must only be liberals then


Plenty ppl into the fashionable environmentally conscious trend nowadays.

But they’re shortsighted. They only looking at the benefits. They don’t see the cost.
Then you have the Dunning Krugers who are unable to realise that the majority of issues are not as simple as they are minded and continue to waste everyone's time making ignorant over-simplified arguments.

Exhibit "Miktay"

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Postby Miktay » December 4th, 2018, 3:04 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Miktay wrote:
Trinispougla wrote:
Miktay wrote:Liberals want free education, free healthcare & renewable energy. But they throw a hissy fit when they find out how much ‘freeness’ costs.

Trinidad must only be liberals then


Plenty ppl into the fashionable environmentally conscious trend nowadays.

But they’re shortsighted. They only looking at the benefits. They don’t see the cost.
Then you have the Dunning Krugers who are unable to realise that the majority of issues are not as simple as they are minded and continue to waste everyone's time making ignorant over-simplified arguments. to

Exhibit "Miktay"


Well that could certainly be true SB.

But the opposite may also be true: people in a weak position sometimes over complicate matters to confuse their opponents.

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