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Redman wrote:Um teems and I are talking about the central bank thing
And that this move by the us has nothing to do with democracy, humanitarian concerns, or the Venezuelan people.
That's all
De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Um teems and I are talking about the central bank thing
And that this move by the us has nothing to do with democracy, humanitarian concerns, or the Venezuelan people.
That's all
Thanks for your permission to reply
Love how when you're challenged on your sheit talk you revert invariably to your "talk done" "that is all" stance
Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Um teems and I are talking about the central bank thing
And that this move by the us has nothing to do with democracy, humanitarian concerns, or the Venezuelan people.
That's all
Thanks for your permission to reply
Love how when you're challenged on your sheit talk you revert invariably to your "talk done" "that is all" stance
no not' talk done'- more like thats all i thought we discussing
I know very well you eh taking a talk done post quietly.
This is plain overt resource grab cuz they can.
The precedents being set (or reset in the western hemisphere) are really my concern
Maduro proposes early parliamentary elections in Venezuela
Venezuelan President Niсolas Maduro has called for early elections to the National Assembly – a legislative body dominated by the opposition and led by Juan Guaido who declared himself interim leader last week.
Maduro's statement comes as thousands are rallying in the streets of Caracas both in support of and against his government.
Guaido's coup received immediate support from the US and its allies in Latin America and Europe while Russia, Mexico, China and other countries urged not to interfere into the domestic situation in the country. The political turmoil comes as Venezuela's economy has been plummeting due to low oil prices, sanctions and mismanagement leaving most of its population in poverty.
The regular parliamentary elections were expected to be held in Venezuela in 2020. However, Maduro said that the body needs to be “re-legitimized” as he addressed a large crowd of his supporters during a rally in Caracas.
The president said that he would consult the Venezuelan Constituent Assembly – a body elected in 2017 to draft the new constitution – on the issue. If the assembly backs the proposal the vote will be scheduled for some time this year. Earlier, Venezuela’s Supreme Court declared all acts of the National Assembly, headed by Guaido, as null and void.
Meanwhile, Venezuela continues to witness both pro and anti-government rallies. Tens of thousands of people took to the streets of the Venezuelan capital on Saturday to join a pro-government demonstration to celebrate 20 years since the late Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, launched the Bolivarian revolution.
A sea of people can be seen flooding a kilometers-long stretch of Bolivar Avenue in downtown Caracas to listen to Maduro’s speech. Crowds were waving Venezuela’s national flags and holding placards with portraits of Chavez.
Tens of thousands of people also gathered in the eastern part of the capital for a rally organized by the opposition. The national flag-waving crowds also occupied a long stretch in the city as they came to listen to Guaido.
In his speech, Maduro hailed the determination and “deep loyalty” of the people as demonstrated over the last 20 years, and called on Guaido-led opposition to engage in a dialog.
The president appealed to the reason of the opposition politicians and said he is ready to meet them “the day they want.” He also said economics and “national peace” would be the focus of the conversation.
The opposition leader’s statements were more belligerent, however. He declared that the upcoming month would become a “breaking point” in the opposition’s struggle for power and called for new massive protests on February 12. He also claimed that 90 percent of Venezuelans “want change” and “no one here fears a civil war.”
Rowley heads to peace talks
Caricom is once again set to take part in multilateral discussions aimed at finding a peaceful solution to political tensions in Venezuela. The same delegation, headed by Caricom chairman and St Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr Timothy Harris, and including Barbados PM Mia Mottley and TT PM Dr Keith Rowley, will head to Uruguay on Thursday to take part in multilateral talks with that country and Mexico in the hope of being able to broker dialogue between embattled incumbent Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro and his challenger, the leader of the National Assembly and self-declared interim president of the country, Juan Guaido.
Guaido has gained the support and recognition of most Western countries, including the United States (US) and most South American nations, including Colombia, Peru and Brazil. Maduro, meanwhile, has secured the support of China and Russia.
This Caricom team is the same delegation that went last week to the UN to ask for assistance in mitigating any fallout.
The regional leaders were reportedly invited to the meeting, to be held in the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo, late Thursday, and called an emergency Heads of Government meeting on Friday, which Rowley and Foreign Affairs Minister Dennis Moses attended via video call.
“The governments of Mexico and Uruguay have called for the conference with representatives from the main countries and international organisations that hold a neutral position towards Venezuela. The purpose of the conference is to lay the foundation for establishing a new mechanism for dialogue that, with the inclusion of all Venezuelan forces, will contribute to restoring stability and peace in that country,” the Office of the Prime Minister said in a statement.
Mexico, Uruguay and Caricom have all maintained a neutral stance since the Guaido’s proclamation, which many, including Guaido himself, have suggested implicitly supports Maduro.
The success of these talks, then, remains to be seen, since Guaido has said, in a letter to both the Mexican and Uruguayan leaders, that he declined to attend any meeting that promotes anything other than free and fair election in Venezuela. Anything else, he said, will only serve to prolong the suffering of millions of Venezuelans. He also had strong words for those who remained neutral in the current impasse.
“In this historic moment that (Venezuela) is going through, being neutral means being on the side of a regime that has condemned hundreds of thousands of human beings to misery, to hunger, to exile, and even to death, to side with a few who have sequestered power for their own benefit, and who have proved themselves capable of persecuting , torture and even murder to maintain those privileges,” Guaido said in his letter.
He has also reached out to Venezuela’s main debt holders, China and Russia, offering an olive branch to talk about the best way to move forward for Venezuela.
Maduro, for his part, in a video recorded and posted to his official social media pages, directly addressed the US, imploring them to avoid another Viet-Nam war in Venezuela. He also accused Western media of perpetuating a fake news narrative intent to justify a “coup d’etat in Venezuela that has been set, financed and actively supported by (US President) Donald Trump.” The US on Wednesday sanctioned Venezuela state oil company, PDVSA’s nearly US$18 billion in assets, effectively starving the Maduro regime of income.
Last Monday, Maduro also said he would be open to mediation “in TT or wherever” and said he spoke at length to the Caricom delegation that had gone to the UN, which was later confirmed by Rowley at a press conference on Wednesday.
The UK, Spain and other European countries have officially recognised opposition leader Juan Guaidó as interim president of Venezuela.
It comes after Pesident Nicolás Maduro defiantly rejected the EU's Sunday deadline to call snap elections.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Mr Guaidó had the "legitimacy" to organise a fresh presidential vote.
Mr Guaidó declared himself interim leader last month and won US backing.
Embattled president Mr Maduro accuses him of organising a coup. He said he cannot rule out the possibility of civil war as pressure mounts on him to stand down,
In a TV interview, he warned that US President Donald Trump would leave the White House "stained with blood" if he intervened in the crisis.
Mr Guaidó said on Sunday he would build an international coalition to deliver humanitarian aid to Venezuelans.
On Monday, the UK, Spain, Denmark and Sweden officially recognised Mr Guaidó as interim president.
"UK alongside European allies now recognises @jguaido as interim constitutional president until credible elections can be held", Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said in a statement on Twitter.
Spain's Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez urged him to call elections "as quickly as possible."
"Venezuela should be the author of its own destiny. The international community has a duty to help and ensure that this happens with the necessary guarantees", he told reporters.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told reporters Mr Guaidó had the "legitimacy to organise presidential elections."
"People are on the streets, people want change," he told broadcaster France Inter.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47115857
hydroep wrote:Don't see the point of this if Guaido isn't going, unless they're also discussing regional security arrangents should things go to hell.Rowley heads to peace talks
Caricom is once again set to take part in multilateral discussions aimed at finding a peaceful solution to political tensions in Venezuela. The same delegation, headed by Caricom chairman and St Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr Timothy Harris, and including Barbados PM Mia Mottley and TT PM Dr Keith Rowley, will head to Uruguay on Thursday to take part in multilateral talks with that country and Mexico in the hope of being able to broker dialogue between embattled incumbent Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro and his challenger, the leader of the National Assembly and self-declared interim president of the country, Juan Guaido.
Guaido has gained the support and recognition of most Western countries, including the United States (US) and most South American nations, including Colombia, Peru and Brazil. Maduro, meanwhile, has secured the support of China and Russia.
This Caricom team is the same delegation that went last week to the UN to ask for assistance in mitigating any fallout.
The regional leaders were reportedly invited to the meeting, to be held in the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo, late Thursday, and called an emergency Heads of Government meeting on Friday, which Rowley and Foreign Affairs Minister Dennis Moses attended via video call.
“The governments of Mexico and Uruguay have called for the conference with representatives from the main countries and international organisations that hold a neutral position towards Venezuela. The purpose of the conference is to lay the foundation for establishing a new mechanism for dialogue that, with the inclusion of all Venezuelan forces, will contribute to restoring stability and peace in that country,” the Office of the Prime Minister said in a statement.
Mexico, Uruguay and Caricom have all maintained a neutral stance since the Guaido’s proclamation, which many, including Guaido himself, have suggested implicitly supports Maduro.
The success of these talks, then, remains to be seen, since Guaido has said, in a letter to both the Mexican and Uruguayan leaders, that he declined to attend any meeting that promotes anything other than free and fair election in Venezuela. Anything else, he said, will only serve to prolong the suffering of millions of Venezuelans. He also had strong words for those who remained neutral in the current impasse.
“In this historic moment that (Venezuela) is going through, being neutral means being on the side of a regime that has condemned hundreds of thousands of human beings to misery, to hunger, to exile, and even to death, to side with a few who have sequestered power for their own benefit, and who have proved themselves capable of persecuting , torture and even murder to maintain those privileges,” Guaido said in his letter.
He has also reached out to Venezuela’s main debt holders, China and Russia, offering an olive branch to talk about the best way to move forward for Venezuela.
Maduro, for his part, in a video recorded and posted to his official social media pages, directly addressed the US, imploring them to avoid another Viet-Nam war in Venezuela. He also accused Western media of perpetuating a fake news narrative intent to justify a “coup d’etat in Venezuela that has been set, financed and actively supported by (US President) Donald Trump.” The US on Wednesday sanctioned Venezuela state oil company, PDVSA’s nearly US$18 billion in assets, effectively starving the Maduro regime of income.
Last Monday, Maduro also said he would be open to mediation “in TT or wherever” and said he spoke at length to the Caricom delegation that had gone to the UN, which was later confirmed by Rowley at a press conference on Wednesday.
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/02/03/rowley-heads-to-peace-talks/
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:https://newsday.co.tt/2019/02/11/we-reject-rowley/
REJECTED!
This was the view of Deputy to the Venezuelan National Assembly Carlos Enrique Valero who yesterday took to his twitter account,
@CarlosValero08, to condemn and outright reject Prime Minister Dr Rowley and the TT government for its continued "support" of the Nicolás Maduro government in Venezuela.
Head of the National Assembly Juan Guaidó has declared himself interim President of Venezuela and has the support of the European Union (EU), Canada, the United States and several other major world nations. Maduro has the support of Russia and China and more importantly, the Venezuelan military.
Valero first issued a release to the Trinidad and Tobago public last week, thanking the government and police for the rescue of 19 Spanish-speaking girls during a sex raid last Wednesday in several parts of Trinidad including Westmoorings, Ariapita Avenue and Curepe. Eighteen suspects, including several Asian men, were detained.
"We thank the Government of Trinidad and Tobago for ensuring the human rights of adolescents and allowing them to communicate with their families and/or lawyers," Valero wrote last week. He said that about 19 "presumably Venezuelan adolescents" were rescued from a sex ring in TT.
Numb3r4 wrote:Ah quick question, 'yuh tink' we could still get some 'ah dat dragon gyas'?
Maybe Moses should ask.
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:https://newsday.co.tt/2019/02/11/we-reject-rowley/
REJECTED!
This was the view of Deputy to the Venezuelan National Assembly Carlos Enrique Valero who yesterday took to his twitter account,
@CarlosValero08, to condemn and outright reject Prime Minister Dr Rowley and the TT government for its continued "support" of the Nicolás Maduro government in Venezuela.
Head of the National Assembly Juan Guaidó has declared himself interim President of Venezuela and has the support of the European Union (EU), Canada, the United States and several other major world nations. Maduro has the support of Russia and China and more importantly, the Venezuelan military.
Valero first issued a release to the Trinidad and Tobago public last week, thanking the government and police for the rescue of 19 Spanish-speaking girls during a sex raid last Wednesday in several parts of Trinidad including Westmoorings, Ariapita Avenue and Curepe. Eighteen suspects, including several Asian men, were detained.
"We thank the Government of Trinidad and Tobago for ensuring the human rights of adolescents and allowing them to communicate with their families and/or lawyers," Valero wrote last week. He said that about 19 "presumably Venezuelan adolescents" were rescued from a sex ring in TT.
shogun wrote:It's so strange to watch Trini's almost revelling in the fact that a deal made by the government of this country, fell through? Especially when this country would have probably been the beneficiary of such a deal? Strange times we're living in.
Given that Carlos Valero's affiliations were made clear earlier in this ched, what else was he going to say though?
Redman wrote:shogun wrote:It's so strange to watch Trini's almost revelling in the fact that a deal made by the government of this country, fell through? Especially when this country would have probably been the beneficiary of such a deal? Strange times we're living in.
Given that Carlos Valero's affiliations were made clear earlier in this ched, what else was he going to say though?
A friend of mine said it well-
There is no Trinidad and Tobago-in all of this, just an abhorrent situation made up of a nation of misguided ego maniacs.
Its been hard to argue with that...given the fanaticism for the respective kool aid drinkers.
In their minds EVERYTHING is subjugated to a political whim.
They happy in the morass of the 5 year cycle of set up/break down.
The NORTH STAND is/was the perfect symbol of this mentality.
Numb3r4 wrote:Given the players weighing in on this issue, explain what we are really doing?
Do we really expect to negotiate a peace deal.....or is this some protracted damage control thing?
It seems from recent events that our position has been rendered inconsequential now more so than before, worse it may be more to our detriment now.
Numb3r4 wrote:At this point shouldn't we just give up on the Dragon Deal?
or are we just looking for some kind of PR victory to carry us into the election?
Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Um teems and I are talking about the central bank thing
And that this move by the us has nothing to do with democracy, humanitarian concerns, or the Venezuelan people.
That's all
Thanks for your permission to reply
Love how when you're challenged on your sheit talk you revert invariably to your "talk done" "that is all" stance
no not' talk done'- more like thats all i thought we discussing
I know very well you eh taking a talk done post quietly.
This is just a discussion - and whatever will happen-will not have to be within the limits or right and wrong,legal or illegal and in this context in the promotion of democracy or humanitarian rights.
This is plain overt resource grab cuz they can.
The precedents being set (or reset in the western hemisphere) are really my concern
Redman wrote:shogun wrote:It's so strange to watch Trini's almost revelling in the fact that a deal made by the government of this country, fell through? Especially when this country would have probably been the beneficiary of such a deal? Strange times we're living in.
Given that Carlos Valero's affiliations were made clear earlier in this ched, what else was he going to say though?
A friend of mine said it well-
There is no Trinidad and Tobago-in all of this, just an abhorrent situation made up of a nation of misguided ego maniacs.
Its been hard to argue with that...given the fanaticism for the respective kool aid drinkers.
In their minds EVERYTHING is subjugated to a political whim.
They happy in the morass of the 5 year cycle of set up/break down.
The NORTH STAND is/was the perfect symbol of this mentality.
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