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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby l33t2 » January 29th, 2019, 2:07 pm

This is a long read but I hope you tin foil hat types read and understand what's really been happening in Venezuela.

Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/vzla/comments/ajsbxo/want_to_know_how_why_venezuela_has_an_interim/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=worldnews&utm_content=t1_ef9vh9v

Many people argue that Juan Guaidó is not the president of the republic, or that there's a coup d'etat in Venezuela. Other argue that the legitime president of Venezuela is Nicolas Maduro because he won elections, and therefore he should be president. There are so many people who want to know the true but they simply find biased information provided by government-funded agents such as TelesurTV that have clearly a bad reputation when it comes to report the venezuelan humanitarian crisis, the constitutional crisis, and every other aspect that you may find necessary to really understand what is going on Venezuela. To understand how we are here, we must learn about past events like designation of judges to the Supreme Court, derogation of the presidential referendum, dissolution of the parliament, a new designation of judges to the Supreme Court, and other things that I will try to put down in an effort to let people know what actually happened since 2013 to 2019.

First of all. How did Maduro came to presidency?
He was named vicepresident by Chavez, then Chavez died in 2013 which leaves Maduro as the interim president until new elections were convened in april of 2013, which Maduro claims he won, but the opposition contested and called to count the ballots something that the electoral body never does unless it is asked because the results are always issued electronically. The electoral body (put in there by the socialist party) didn't accept the petition to count the ballots.

2015 parliament elections
After the electoral body didn't accept to count the ballots, the discontent against the regime grew among the population, allowing the opposition to keep winning popular support. On December 6 of 2015 parliament elections were hold. The opposition won with 56% of the votes, something that many people didn't expect. The opposition obtained 2/3 of the seats in the parliament.

Both Maduro and the opposition recognized the results as the electoral body claimed that there were not any irregularities

13 new judges illegaly named
On December 22, 2015, the incumbent parliament members who were elected back in 2010 illegaly named 13 new judges to the Supreme Court, something that should have happened not in 2015 but in 2016. The vast majority of these new judges were parliament members the same day they were appointed to the Supreme Court. They even were the ones who proposed in the parliament to name new judges, and of course, they were members of the socialist party. The parliament back then was still controlled by the socialist party.

The Supreme Court declares null the election of deputies elected in December 6 of 2015
One of the socialist deputies who was illegaly named judge to the Supreme Court in December 22th of 2015, declared null the election of several opposition deputies in Amazonas state. This caused the opposition to lose the 2/3 of the parliament that it obtained after winning the election of December 6.

166 deputies sworn in to the parliament, including Amazonas' deputies
On January 6 of 2016, 112 opposition deputies were sworn in to the parliament, including those who were elected in the Amazonas whose election was contested

The Supreme Court outlaws the parliament
After the opposition-held parliament decided to sworn in three deputies who were elected in the contested Amazonas circuit, the supreme court decided, at petition of one parliament member of the socialist party, to outlaw the entire parliament alleging they disobey the orders to not swear in the Amazonas' deputies.

The opposition calls for a presidential referendum
According to the venezuelan constitution, you can recall any elected official after having completed half of the term for which the official was elected. This was the case for Maduro's presidential term which was at its half in April of 2016. The opposition wanted to recall and started the process to do so in April of 2016, but first, according to the constitution, they needed to follow a procediment to collect signatures which must be verified by the electoral body. The opposition needed only 300,000 signatures, they instead collected 2,1 millions of signatures

The opposition parties did call for the presidential recall, not the parliament. Just for clarification.

Electoral body cancels the presidential recall
Because of 10,000 suspicious signatures, the electoral body decided to cancel the entire presidential recall, this caused a huge discontent among the population. This excuse to cancel the presidential recall was already an obvious attempt from the electoral body to protect Nicolas Maduro

The parliament annuls the designation of judges to the Supreme Court
Because they were illegaly named, the opposition-held parliament decided in June of 2016 to annul the designation of the 13 judges who were named back in December of 2015.

3 deputies who were sworn in, were taken out
Beginning in 2017, in its first ordinary session, the parliament, then chaired by Julio Borges, deputy for the opposition coalition, officially disbanded the 3 challenged deputies, fulfilling the condition of the Supreme Court to exit contempt. However, the Supreme Court did not withdraw the contempt alleging that the old directive presided by Henri Ramos Allup is the one who must do the formalities

Supreme Court granted legislative powers to Nicolas Maduro
In March 27 of 2017, the Supreme Court granted legislative powers to Nicolas Maduro, however, they quickly clarified the judgement by issuing a clarification where the judges supressed to grant legislative powers to both the Supreme Court and Nicolas Maduro

Nicolas Maduro calls for a constituent assembly, to create a new constitution
On May 1, 2017, Nicolas Maduro, issued a decree to convene a National Constituent Assembly (ANC) based on a controversial interpretation of articles 347, 348 and 349 of the Constitution. This call again ignited the alarms of Venezuelan society, as many jurists point out that Maduro has violated the Constitution by usurping the functions of the sovereign people when calling a Constituent Assembly, when this power corresponds strictly to the People of Venezuela as a whole and not to people in particular. A Constituent Assembly is a supranational body, all-powerful institution that can change from the education curriculum to remove any officials of any branch of the government, including the president of the republic, reform or derogate the criminal code.

It would not be the first time a constituent assembly would be convened. Back in 1998 Chavez did the same, but first he called for a consultative referendum to decided whether the people agreed to convene elections to elect constituent deputies. If the results of the consultative referendum were against the election of constituent deputies then there won't be any constituent assembly at all. Nicolas Maduro didn't allow the people the chance to vote in a consultative referendum to decide whether we wanted a constituent assembly or not. He just directly call for elections to elect constituent deputies implying there will be a constituent assembly.

This move to call for a constituent assembly was seen as parallel national assembly.

"Maduro is the people"
On June 7, 2017, the Constitutional Chamber of the Supreme Court handed down judgment 378, which determined that the president was authorized to convene a constituent without a prior consultative referendum, since he acted in the name of the sovereignty of the people. Article 5 of the Constitution establishes that the sovereignity "resides intransferably among the people." People argue that Maduro himself can't act in the name of the entire population for these matters.

Attorney General filed a contentious electoral appeal agains the constituent assembly
On June 8, the Attorney General, Luisa Ortega Díaz, filed to the Supreme Court a contentious electoral appeal and precautionary relief for all purposes of the constituent assembly and, invoking Article 333 of the Constitution, invited all Venezuelans to join the appeal in order to stop the constituent assembly and preserve the validity of the current Constitution. The next day the vicinity of the Supreme Court was closed by State security forces preventing citizens from adhering to the appeal filed by the attorney general

Illegal appoinment of 13 judges elected in 2015 was contested by the attorney general
On July 2, 2017, the attorney general challenged the appointment of the 13 principal judges and 21 substitutes after it was known that in the process of appointing these judges, the Republic Moral Council (formed by the Citizen's Branch which includes the attorney general, the ombudsman, and comptroller) did not hold an extraordinary session to evaluate the scales of application, as established in Article 74 of the LOTSJ (Organic Law of the Suprme Court), but they sent the files of the candidates and then presented the minutes to sign it, which she refused to do so because the session had not been held. The next day, the ombudsman presented a document with the alleged signature of the attorney general alleging that she had signed the act. María José Marcano, former secretary of the Republic Moral Council accused the ombudsman of lying and presenting a forged document, because neither she nor the attorney general had signed the act as it was an act performed illegally due to political pressures

Attorney general was dismissed by the Supreme Court

At petition of a socialist parliament member, the Supreme Court dismissed the attorney general and granted its powers to the ombudsman that are exclusive of the Public Ministry

Opposition-held parliament appoints 13 new judges to the Supreme Court

Once the attorney general contested the election of the 13 judges to the Suprme Court illegaly appointed in december of 2015 by deputies of the socialist party, on July 21 of 2017 the opposition-held parliament decided to follow the procediment fulfill the necessity to appoint new judges to the Supreme Court. This time, every aspect of the process was fulfilled. Days later, Maduro started to jail these judges, however, many could flee the country before being kidnapped.

However, they are functioning as the legitime Supreme Court since it was named by the opposition-held parliament.

Elections to the constituent assembly take place on July 30
The only candidates were members of the socialist party because the electoral bases were designed to avoid any other person not affiliated to the party to be candidate. Only socialist party members could be candidate to the constituent assembly.

The election was denounce by most western countries, including Canada, the EU, Australia, among others.

Constituent assembly calls for presidential election

On January 23, 2018, the constituent assembly decreed that the presidential election scheduled for late 2018, should be held before April 30. Several countries in America and Europe have expressed their disavowal of the results due to the impediment of opposition parties participation and the lack of time for the lapses established in the electoral regulations.

Two days later, on January 25, the Supreme Court ordered the electoral body to exclude from these elections the ballot of the Democratic Unity Table (opposition coalition), arguing that within that coalition there are parties that have not complied with the validation process of political parties established in the law.

Presidential election took place on May 20, 2018
The only candidates were Nicolas Maduro, ex chavista Henri Falcón, and the evangelical pastor Javier Bertucci. Maduro obtained 68% of the votes. Henri Falcon didn't recognize the results, as did many countries around the world and the rest of the opposition parties.

The election was rigged as electoral observers including the Carter Certer condemned the election.

The parliament rejected the election.


Supreme Court in exile annul presidential election
On July of 2018, the Supreme Court that was named by the opposition-held parliament issued a decree to nullify the presidential election, ordering the parliament to name an interim president. Source

Christian Zerpa defects and flees to the US
On January 8, 2019, Christian Zerpa, one of the 13 judges named illegaly in 2015 by socialist parliament members, who also accepted the petition to outlaw opposition-held parliament, defected and fled to the United States, this being motivated by disagreeing with the swearing in of Nicolás Maduro for a second presidential term. Zerpa made a series of statements that questioned the independence of powers and the transparency of Venezuelan justice.

He confessed that he was appointed as a judge in the express process of 2015, because he had always been loyal to Chavez.

Maduro swore in to the presidency
After the presidential election that took place in May 20 of 2018, Maduro swore in to the presidency on January 10 of 2019. This must be done in the parliament but this time he did it in the Supreme Court.

Legislative year ended, new body president is approved
Juan Guaidó was elected president of the legislative branch on January 5 of 2019

Presidential term ended in January 10 of 2019 without an elected president of the republic
The parliament, after rejecting the election back then in May of 2018, stated that there is not an elected president of the republic.

The powers of the executive branch must be transferred to the president of the legislative branch.

Juan Guaidó assumes executive powers, swore in in January 23 of 2019
As an interim president, he must call for elections in the next 30 days, however, there may be some inconvenients about having elections right now. Therefore, he called for a transitory government.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 29th, 2019, 4:50 pm

I think its best if trump over took trini and jail Rowlee .

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby The_Honourable » January 29th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Vasant Bharath and Mariano Browne about Venezuela Crisis and TT - Venezuela Relations


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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby De Dragon » January 29th, 2019, 5:26 pm

But ent JUHN Scarfy say Maduro legit?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 29th, 2019, 5:51 pm

De Dragon wrote:But ent JUHN Scarfy say Maduro legit?
These two are illegal governments so both minds think alike

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby shogun » January 29th, 2019, 6:03 pm

lol This ched is hilarious.

So, pedantics over Rowley's use of the word "support" instead of the word "recognize" while acknowledging that the government's stance of staying neutral was the right one, while not one single comment about the fact that they both just contradicted Kamla's (and one of those guests political leader and leader of the opposition) stance of taking sides and throwing all her "support" behind the US fully and completely, without a thought or question because Trump say so? Nice.

Kinday wrote:Photo of Trump adviser's notes raises questions about U.S. military plans in Venezuela


White House national security adviser John Bolton raised questions about the United States' intentions in Venezuela after he appeared at a briefing on Monday with a notepad containing the words "5,000 troops to Colombia," which neighbours Venezuela.

It was not immediately clear what Bolton's notes meant and whether President Donald Trump's administration was seriously considering sending U.S. troops to Colombia. It was also not clear if disclosure of the notes was intentional, and there was no indication that such a military option would be used any time soon.Image


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4997072



Beat me to it. Was just about to post this. Bolton is a warmongers warmonger too eh? Lets hope clearer heads prevail.
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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby shogun » January 29th, 2019, 6:21 pm

The_Honourable wrote:So... remember the fella who warned us about signing the gas deal with maduro, and growlery basically say he talking chit and how kamla working with him to sabotage dragon? Well check him out now:


Interesting how the failed to add the fact that Carlos Valero is also Legal adviser to the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the EU? Interesting indeed.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby De Dragon » January 29th, 2019, 6:24 pm

shogun wrote:lol This ched is hilarious.

So, pedantics over Rowley's use of the word "support" instead of the word "recognize" while acknowledging that the government's stance of staying neutral was the right one, while not one single comment about the fact that they both just contradicted Kamla's (and one of those guests political leader and leader of the opposition) stance of taking sides and throwing all her "support" behind the US fully and completely, without a thought or question? Nice.

Kinday wrote:Photo of Trump adviser's notes raises questions about U.S. military plans in Venezuela


White House national security adviser John Bolton raised questions about the United States' intentions in Venezuela after he appeared at a briefing on Monday with a notepad containing the words "5,000 troops to Colombia," which neighbours Venezuela.

It was not immediately clear what Bolton's notes meant and whether President Donald Trump's administration was seriously considering sending U.S. troops to Colombia. It was also not clear if disclosure of the notes was intentional, and there was no indication that such a military option would be used any time soon.Image


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4997072



Beat me to it. Was just about to post this. Bolton is a warmongers warmonger too eh? Lets hope clearer heads prevail.

Semantics aside, sending Moses to Maduro's inauguration is more than just "support". That is a clear indication of acknowledgement of Maduro and his regime and their human rights, voter fraud, and illegal power grab. JUHN Scarfy made his ill advised statement AHEAD of the Caricom meeting, and before having to turn tail and run to N.Y to explain same. Like Caricom and PetroCaribe, T&T has placed a lot of eggs in the Dragon basket, so neutral would have been the most unobtrusive way to go, but JUHN Scarfy and Moses feel that they are in a vacuum and their comments/views aren't already widely known.
Honourable PM, let things unfold, make your neutral/non-interference statement. See how things unfold. There were multiple opportunities (still are) to come down on the "right" side of this, instead you chose to complicate it by vacillating between points of view.
Don't get me wrong,this Dragon gas is obviously a big deal and it can succeed if we play our cards wisely.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 29th, 2019, 6:31 pm

shogun wrote:lol This ched is hilarious.

So, pedantics over Rowley's use of the word "support" instead of the word "recognize" while acknowledging that the government's stance of staying neutral was the right one, while not one single comment about the fact that they both just contradicted Kamla's (and one of those guests political leader and leader of the opposition) stance of taking sides and throwing all her "support" behind the US fully and completely, without a thought or question because Trump say so? Nice.

Kinday wrote:Photo of Trump adviser's notes raises questions about U.S. military plans in Venezuela


White House national security adviser John Bolton raised questions about the United States' intentions in Venezuela after he appeared at a briefing on Monday with a notepad containing the words "5,000 troops to Colombia," which neighbours Venezuela.

It was not immediately clear what Bolton's notes meant and whether President Donald Trump's administration was seriously considering sending U.S. troops to Colombia. It was also not clear if disclosure of the notes was intentional, and there was no indication that such a military option would be used any time soon.Image


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4997072



Beat me to it. Was just about to post this. Bolton is a warmongers warmonger too eh? Lets hope clearer heads prevail.
Kamla is Prime Minister?

If she makes a dumb statement it doesn't matter as she wields no real power.

Stop trying to deflect the massive faux pas by Rowley and Young.

The populace is tired of the blame game and want some peoper leaders.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby shogun » January 29th, 2019, 6:55 pm

De Dragon wrote:Semantics aside, sending Moses to Maduro's inauguration is more than just "support". That is a clear indication of acknowledgement of Maduro and his regime and their human rights, voter fraud, and illegal power grab. JUHN Scarfy made his ill advised statement AHEAD of the Caricom meeting, and before having to turn tail and run to N.Y to explain same. Like Caricom and PetroCaribe, T&T has placed a lot of eggs in the Dragon basket, so neutral would have been the most unobtrusive way to go, but JUHN Scarfy and Moses feel that they are in a vacuum and their comments/views aren't already widely known.
Honourable PM, let things unfold, make your neutral/non-interference statement. See how things unfold. There were multiple opportunities (still are) to come down on the "right" side of this, instead you chose to complicate it by vacillating between points of view.
Don't get me wrong,this Dragon gas is obviously a big deal and it can succeed if we play our cards wisely.



Thing is, anyone can level accusations like those at almost any administration? Some might even argue that the lhe last local elections were "stolen" by the PNM, because of the EBC's move to keep polls open. Trump's because of the electoral college. Bush's because of conservative Florida courts. It's nothing new for the losing side to level accusations when things are that contentious. I'm not saying the accusations aren't true, just saying that the political climate in Venezuela was chaotic on both sides. The opposition (to Maduro) was completely split, with half of the party vowing to stay out of all elections and urging supporters to abstain from voting, which drove voter turnout to historic lows. Is that Maduro's fault? Like I've said in here before, I would also like to see Maduro go, but I'm not willing to take chain up from the US who has no standing or right to use "voter fraud" and power grabs as footing to interfere in a sovereign nations affairs and force regime change on their terms? Or join in the Tuner chorus of voices that the US/EU are correct on stance. It isn't right. Could Rows have chosen his words a little more carefully? I've been arguing that for ages. I'm not buying this manufactured beatup though. This is all pedantics to bolster the "never Rowleys" agenda. I guess we WILL see how things unfold and if anything negative comes from his words in this case?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Melchizedek » January 29th, 2019, 7:09 pm

unsure which is more immature: tuners opinions or the call for the world to pick sides like PE

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Postby zoom rader » January 29th, 2019, 7:39 pm

Melchizedek wrote:unsure which is more immature: tuners opinions or the call for the world to pick sides like PE


Go with what the PNM prime minster says, everyone else agrees with him. Some tuners taking the Red Pill than the Blue

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby hydroep » January 29th, 2019, 8:02 pm

PM meets with US rep to the UN
Kalifa Clyne

The Prime Minister yesterday met with the US representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Jonathan Cohen, during a bilateral meeting between countries to discuss the unfurling political crisis in Venezuela.

Rowley’s meeting with the US representative followed a full day of meetings as part of a greater Caricom delegation that met on Monday with UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.

A release from the Office of the Prime Minister said Rowley, on behalf of TT and as part of Caricom, outlined concerns about the volatility in Venezuelan and the “existential threat” it poses to the stability of the region.

The release said TT “emphasized” the need for meaningful dialogue between all parties and reaffirmed a commitment to working through Caricom and with all external partners within and outside of the region.

The Prime Minister also said TT is “committed to the common objective of improving the conditions of the Venezuelan people whilst ensuring the preservation of the region as a Zone of Peace.”

As part of the Caricom delegation, headed by St Kitts and Nevis PM Dr Timothy Harris, and including Barbados PM Mia Mottley, Rowley earlier in the day met with the president of the UN María Fernanda Espinosa Garcés in New York.

The delegation also met with permanent representatives to the UN from South Africa, Uruguay, Brazil, Australia and Nicaragua.

Rowley and Foreign Affairs Minister Dennis Moses, who accompanied him, are set to return home today.


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/29/pm-meets-with-us-rep-to-the-un/

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 29th, 2019, 8:34 pm

I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.

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Postby Redress10 » January 29th, 2019, 9:40 pm

Redman wrote:I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.



Ya hadda forgive the trinis. I laugh hard to see some trinis appearing to agree with the US ambassador position. A old white republican. Somebody who most likely don't even understand and respect the minorities in his own country far less for
the citizens of a "backwater third world sh*t hole". Let them bray.

Maduro will fall but don't feel that the future doesn't hold a next Chavez/Maduro. Is part of their culture in Venezuela. Instability is their stability. Like Manning say "whoever answer the phone" we talking to.

Trinis like too beat up and feel important and involved.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 29th, 2019, 11:03 pm

Redman wrote:I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.
Venezuela and the Brits go hand in hand they have unique relationship that stems back to when Venezuelan got their independence. The Brits supported Simon Bolivar.

Has nothing to do with these PNM €unts

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby shogun » January 29th, 2019, 11:14 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Melchizedek wrote:unsure which is more immature: tuners opinions or the call for the world to pick sides like PE


Go with what the PNM prime minster says, everyone else agrees with him. Some tuners taking the Red Pill than the Blue


zoom rader wrote:I think its best if trump over took trini and jail Rowlee .


And what pill is that^though Zoom Fascist? Misoprostol/Cytotec/Mifepristone maybe? :lol:

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Dizzy28 » January 30th, 2019, 12:02 am

Zoomie actually right with his history. The British and Irish had regiments serving with Bolivar. Anything to give a big FU to the Spanish monarchy.
zoom rader wrote:
Redman wrote:I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.
Venezuela and the Brits go hand in hand they have unique relationship that stems back to when Venezuelan got their independence. The Brits supported Simon Bolivar.

Has nothing to do with these PNM €unts

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 6:29 am

The UK has withheld 1.2b of Vene gold...
What special about that?

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Postby hydroep » January 30th, 2019, 6:56 am

Dragon gas deal always ‘politically risky’
Richardson Dhalai

TT has to tread carefully to avoid any spillover which may occur as a result of the US government’s sanctions on Venezuelan oil company PDVSA.

That’s the view of two former energy ministers in the PP government, Kevin Ramnarine and Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan, who agreed that the cross-border Dragon gas deal between TT and Venezuela had carried a high political risk which had not been recognised by the TT government.

Seepersad-Bachan said. “I maintain, throughout this entire issue, this Dragon gas deal is off, it is off. There is no Dragon gas deal.”

The US sanctions against PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company, on Monday prohibit most US companies from doimg business with PDVSA. US administration officials said the financial penalties are expected to block US$7 billion in assets and result in US$11 billion in export losses over the next year for the Nicolas Maduro government. Interviewed yesterday, Ramnarine said while the previous government had worked on several cross-border gas deals, at least part of those fields had been in TT waters. “When I was minister of energy. it was not on the table. In my time in office. what we were dealing with was the Loran Manatee field. The Manatee side of the field belongs to Trinidad. And there is a second field, the Manakin-Cocuina gas field.”

“We always knew from the get-go it was politically risky, and what we have seen from 2016 to the current day in the last two and a half years is, the political risk has become larger, it has increased. So with the sanctions coming now on PDVSA, it looks like it is going to be very difficult for countries or companies doing business with PDVSA.

“In fact I will say it makes it much more difficult to do business with Venezuela. “I also think the date for first gas would move out into the future.”

Seepersad-Bachan said the sanctions were more of an oil embargo against Venezuela and this may have an impact on TT fuel security, although the nation did not buy fuel from Venezuela.

“Companies that do business with PDVSA could be blacklisted as well, and therefore what does that mean for Heritage and Paria (the successors to Petrotrin), who have to do trading with the US? We sell oil and we also buy refined products. “We warned from day one about the Dragon gas deal and the risk of the geopolitics, given what was taking place in Venezuela, and now we are even more exposed.”

She said TT companies could be blacklisted if the sanctions were imposed on other countries doing business with Venezuela.

“The government has to be extremely careful, because in that situation, our energy companies, Heritage and Paria, will face that risk, Heritage because it exports crude oil, and Paria, who purchase refined products.”

She said the Pointe-a-Pierre refinery had guaranteed fuel security to both TT and then Caricom, but this had since been rendered null and void by its closure.

“We guaranteed fuel security to not only to our nation but also Caricom neighbours. But look at the situation we are in now., how that geopolitics will play out.


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/30/dragon-gas-deal-always-politically-risky/

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Postby hydroep » January 30th, 2019, 7:06 am

Govt seeks advice on Dragon Field gas plan
Gail Alexander

Gov­ern­ment is seek­ing ad­vice to as­cer­tain the ef­fect on its Drag­on Field gas plan of the US Gov­ern­ment’s sanc­tions on Venezuela’s Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) oil com­pa­ny, Com­mu­ni­ca­tion Min­is­ter Stu­art Young has said.

Young con­firmed this in the Sen­ate re­ply­ing to Op­po­si­tion ques­tions af­ter the US this week dropped sanc­tions on PDVSA, in­creas­ing pres­sure on the em­bat­tled Nico­las Maduro ad­min­is­tra­tion. The US is sup­port­ing Venezue­lan Na­tion­al As­sem­bly head Juan Guai­do who de­clared him­self Pres­i­dent last week.

As in­sta­bil­i­ty con­tin­ued in T&T’s neigh­bour, the US State De­part­ment al­so in­creased its trav­el ad­vi­so­ry on Venezuela to the high­est lev­el, warn­ing cit­i­zens not to trav­el there due to “crime, civ­il un­rest, poor health in­fra­struc­ture, and ar­bi­trary ar­rest and de­ten­tion of US cit­i­zens. The US said it has lim­it­ed abil­i­ty to pro­vide emer­gency ser­vices to US cit­i­zens in Venezuela.

In the Sen­ate, Young re­ply­ing on the Drag­on Gas field project which T&T has with Venezuela, said: “The re­cent sanc­tions im­posed by the US on PDVSA are cur­rent­ly the sub­ject of ad­vice; we’re seek­ing ad­vice to un­der­stand how it may—and I em­pha­sise the word ‘may’—af­fect the Drag­on Field plan.”

“It’s very pre­ma­ture at this stage to say what, if any ef­fect it (sanc­tions) may have,” Young added. Last week, En­er­gy Min­is­ter Franklin Khan had con­firmed that the doc­u­ment which would make the Drag­on Field plan legal­ly bind­ing be­tween T&T and Venezuela hasn’t been signed yet al­though heads of agree­ment and an­oth­er doc­u­ment was done. Young al­so said that the Ce­dros Port will re­main closed in­def­i­nite­ly due to an over­flow­ing cesspit.

This has af­fect­ed the Ce­dros build­ing hous­ing Im­mi­gra­tion, Cus­toms and po­lice of­fi­cers. The Ce­dros port has been the en­try point to T&T for nu­mer­ous Venezue­lans over the years, and more­so re­cent­ly as ten­sions be­gan build­ing in Venezuela af­fect­ing that coun­try’s econ­o­my.

Young said his min­istry has asked the Works Min­istry’s En­gi­neer­ing Di­vi­sion to do an as­sess­ment of the cesspit prob­lem sit­u­a­tion and make rec­om­men­da­tions for rec­ti­fy­ing it.

He couldn’t say when the port would be re­opened since his min­istry is await­ing an as­sess­ment and rec­om­men­da­tion from the Works Min­istry. (GA)


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/govt-seeks-advice-on-dragon-field-gas-plan-6.2.768549.941f1a8795

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 7:31 am

The commercial relationships between Vene and Trin remain more important than the intermittent political tides that change the people in charge.

Regardless of WHO is in power at the end of this (in either country), V will need to monetize gas and get back on track, and we will still need the gas.

The Dragon is just one part of what is a symbiotic relationship that works for both countries.

I dont understand the overt hopefulness that the Dragon deal fails pervading many of the posts above,pretty much based on the local political allegiances

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2019, 8:17 am

Redman wrote:The UK has withheld 1.2b of Vene gold...
What special about that?
During world war 11, the gold belonging to France just before they got invaded was shipped to Canada to safe guard from the Nazis. Canada held on to French gold. Most of you will not know of this.


What was so special about that?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 9:02 am

France sent the gold voluntarily.
In anticipation of the invasion.

The UK has UNILATERALLY frozen the gold.
Many countries store national gold in the course of business.

If you can't see the difference there then you can't see the difference between consensual sex and rape.

Most of us know that.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2019, 10:07 am

Redman wrote:France sent the gold voluntarily.
In anticipation of the invasion.

The UK has UNILATERALLY frozen the gold.
Many countries store national gold in the course of business.

If you can't see the difference there then you can't see the difference between consensual sex and rape.

Most of us know that.
Yup frozen for Venezuela protection untill they become stable.

If the UK had not frozen it , it would have disappeared by now.

It's better in the hands of the Brits rather than the bankrupt US government.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Ben_spanna » January 30th, 2019, 11:39 am

hope allyuh could survive if T&Tec run outta gas....

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby hydroep » January 30th, 2019, 12:34 pm

Jamaat supports PM on Venezuela position

The Jamaat al-Muslimeen says it supports the Prime Minister and CARICOM on its view of non-intervention in the Venezuelan situation.

In a release today the Jamaat also said it also supported the CARICOM delegation's recent meeting with the United Nations with the hope of achieving a peaceful resolution to the situation.

"Venezuela is our closest neighbour with whom we have had a good, long-standing relationship. Therefore, we need to remember Jesus' (Peace be upon him) teachings of love thy neighbour as thyself," the release said.

"Our hearts are with the people of Venezuela. Let TT not be divided at this time, but pray for a united, strong, sovereign Venezuela."


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/30/jamaat-supports-pm-on-venezuela-position/

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Dizzy28 » January 30th, 2019, 1:42 pm

hydroep wrote:
Jamaat supports PM on Venezuela position

The Jamaat al-Muslimeen says it supports the Prime Minister and CARICOM on its view of non-intervention in the Venezuelan situation.

In a release today the Jamaat also said it also supported the CARICOM delegation's recent meeting with the United Nations with the hope of achieving a peaceful resolution to the situation.

"Venezuela is our closest neighbour with whom we have had a good, long-standing relationship. Therefore, we need to remember Jesus' (Peace be upon him) teachings of love thy neighbour as thyself," the release said.

"Our hearts are with the people of Venezuela. Let TT not be divided at this time, but pray for a united, strong, sovereign Venezuela."


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/30/jamaat-supports-pm-on-venezuela-position/


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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby pugboy » January 30th, 2019, 1:45 pm

The media has always afforded them vip status
One even marry bakr son.
Guess she don’t have family or friends who lost assets in 1990


Dizzy28 wrote:
hydroep wrote:
Jamaat supports PM on Venezuela position

The Jamaat al-Muslimeen says it supports the Prime Minister and CARICOM on its view of non-intervention in the Venezuelan situation.

In a release today the Jamaat also said it also supported the CARICOM delegation's recent meeting with the United Nations with the hope of achieving a peaceful resolution to the situation.

"Venezuela is our closest neighbour with whom we have had a good, long-standing relationship. Therefore, we need to remember Jesus' (Peace be upon him) teachings of love thy neighbour as thyself," the release said.

"Our hearts are with the people of Venezuela. Let TT not be divided at this time, but pray for a united, strong, sovereign Venezuela."


https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/30/jamaat-supports-pm-on-venezuela-position/


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