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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 3:44 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Redman wrote:France sent the gold voluntarily.
In anticipation of the invasion.

The UK has UNILATERALLY frozen the gold.
Many countries store national gold in the course of business.

If you can't see the difference there then you can't see the difference between consensual sex and rape.

Most of us know that.
Yup frozen for Venezuela protection untill they become stable.

If the UK had not frozen it , it would have disappeared by now.

It's better in the hands of the Brits rather than the bankrupt US government.


That's asinine.

Its unabashed theft.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 30th, 2019, 3:47 pm

Redman wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Redman wrote:France sent the gold voluntarily.
In anticipation of the invasion.

The UK has UNILATERALLY frozen the gold.
Many countries store national gold in the course of business.

If you can't see the difference there then you can't see the difference between consensual sex and rape.

Most of us know that.
Yup frozen for Venezuela protection untill they become stable.

If the UK had not frozen it , it would have disappeared by now.

It's better in the hands of the Brits rather than the bankrupt US government.


That's asinine.

Its unabashed theft.


The gold is kept by the UK/US for safekeeping.

If there is a coup, and an illegitimate leader requests the gold returned, do you return it?

That is the problem right now. Maduro isn't legitimate in the many nation's eyes, so decisions made by him are null and void.

If you want to keep your gold elsewhere and participate in world affairs, then get your act together.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Again-however you feel about Maduro....the function of the UK CB storing the gold does not involve rendering judgement on the politics.

Thats like the bank having discretion to not give you your money on your request based on what they think about what you going to do with it.

That there is basic fcukery

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2019, 4:31 pm

Redman wrote:Again-however you feel about Maduro....the function of the UK CB storing the gold does not involve rendering judgement on the politics.

Thats like the bank having discretion to not give you your money on your request based on what they think about what you going to do with it.

That there is basic fcukery
It's called being responsible.

It's not the first time the Brits saved venny.

The Brits were the ones supplying soldiers to fight for venny independence so they go a long way.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 4:56 pm

wtf does that have to do with the UK withholding a sovereign entities assets based on an internal political issue?

This is a repeat of Libya and Iraq-they all declared a desire to come off the USD.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 30th, 2019, 4:58 pm

it was a good thing to do, in this case, even though it was the wrong thing.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2019, 5:07 pm

Redman wrote:wtf does that have to do with the UK withholding a sovereign entities assets based on an internal political issue?

This is a repeat of Libya and Iraq-they all declared a desire to come off the USD.
Reds take a chill pill bro, Venny unstable right now and the Brits seeking their best interest.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 5:31 pm

This is just a discussion ZR- The UKs decision is just as disputed there as the US actions are disputed in the US.....so many think it is the wrong course of action

At what point does good surpass right??

Would this be an issue if Maduro was less CHavista and more US friendly?
My bet is no.

The precedent it and the other actions set are in fact the issue.
The will bite us in the ass.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby sMASH » January 30th, 2019, 6:55 pm

the reason why 'good surpassing right' is limited, is what led to the saying 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.
meaning, that in an attempt to do the good thing, rules were broken, and the not so good, were able to abuse that 'avenue'.
cause if u could break the rules for one, u can break it for another, and another, and in another scenario, until u cant get a car passed in LO without lubing the wheels... doesn't matter if it meets all the rules set... adherence to the rules doesn't matter

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 30th, 2019, 7:12 pm

Redman wrote:Again-however you feel about Maduro....the function of the UK CB storing the gold does not involve rendering judgement on the politics.

Thats like the bank having discretion to not give you your money on your request based on what they think about what you going to do with it.

That there is basic fcukery


A sovereign state's assets belong to the government which can change during a free and fair election.

If the government is legitimate then by all means they are entitled to get their gold back. If not then they have to wait.

If Abu Bakr had a successful coup back in 1990, would he have been allowed to make withdrawals on T&T's behalf?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 30th, 2019, 8:19 pm

Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Redman wrote:Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1078864/venezuela-riots-news-bank-of-england-nicolas-madur

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby The_Honourable » January 30th, 2019, 8:32 pm

Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley is describing his UN mission as a success.

Upon his return this afternoon, he announced that Caricom, Mexico and Uruguay have agreed to pursue peace talks to deal with the Venezuelan crisis.


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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby bluefete » January 30th, 2019, 8:42 pm

"We do not know what submarines pass between Trinidad and Tobago".

Well we better start investing in some equipment to help us know. The Columbian drug lords have a supply of submarines to transport cocaine through our water.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby The_Honourable » January 30th, 2019, 8:49 pm

btw... after the UN meeting in New York, did he go Washington which he mentioned last week?

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby De Dragon » January 30th, 2019, 9:23 pm

Redman wrote:I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.

Is Tim Stew representing the superpower pushing to remove Maduro? :roll:
The US had made it crystal clear how they view OUR position on Venezuela, as articulated by JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels Young. Moses couldn't even be entrusted to make the statement, because he is a fraud. Guiado undoubtedly will be made aware of our position, and if he does become the next Venezuelan President, then we have started off on the wrong foot already. The motivations of the US may not be entirely honourable, but either we get on the train, or get run over, plain and simple.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Dizzy28 » January 30th, 2019, 10:30 pm

Pet peeve - Its Colombia not Colombia
bluefete wrote:"We do not know what submarines pass between Trinidad and Tobago".

Well we better start investing in some equipment to help us know. The Columbian drug lords have a supply of submarines to transport cocaine through our water.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby l33t2 » January 30th, 2019, 10:48 pm

De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:I see Tim Stew...the UK ambassador I think....finds the position of TnT to be reasonable.

I guess he must be PNM. :roll:

Maduro will probably fall under his own weight...but rest assured the millions of people that support him will not go quietly home.

Is Tim Stew representing the superpower pushing to remove Maduro? :roll:
The US had made it crystal clear how they view OUR position on Venezuela, as articulated by JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels Young. Moses couldn't even be entrusted to make the statement, because he is a fraud. Guiado undoubtedly will be made aware of our position, and if he does become the next Venezuelan President, then we have started off on the wrong foot already. The motivations of the US may not be entirely honourable, but either we get on the train, or get run over, plain and simple.


Exactly my point. The US will get what they want regardless. And they will remember Trinidad's position in this matter, especially with a president like Trump who acts on emotion.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 31st, 2019, 7:01 am

@Dragon.
Stew represents the US largest ally -with all the historical cache that matters.
He stated categorically that the position is sensible....so for all of you that feel the world will end cuz we took the position that we did....the UK position is less sensational.
And he stated that we are a sovereign nation-and are entitled to take any position.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 31st, 2019, 10:56 am

Redman wrote:Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.


Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by an absolute monarch. They don't have elections.

The King of Saudi Arabia is the head of state and head of government.

It's still not a proper comparison.

Also no one is forcing Venezuela to store their gold for safekeeping abroad. They could have set up a Fort Knox style facility within their own borders if they wanted.

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Postby hydroep » January 31st, 2019, 11:43 am

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$840M in gold bars prepared for loading onto Russian jet at Venezuelan airport: report

About 20 tons of gold from Venezuela's central bank was ready to be hauled away Tuesday on a Russian airline's Boeing 777 that landed in Caracas a day earlier, a Venezuelan lawmaker wrote on Twitter.

The destination of the $840 million in gold bars was unknown, but a source told Bloomberg News that it represented about 20 percent of the country's holding of the metal. The gold was set aside for loading, the report said.

The news outlet, which first reported on the tweet, identified the lawmaker as Jose Guerra. The lawmaker did not provide evidence for his claim but is identified in the report as a former economist at the country's central bank with close ties to workers still there.

Noticias Venezuela, a news outlet in the country, posted a photo of what it identified as a Nordwind Airlines plane from Moscow that made the trip with only a crew aboard.

Simon Zerpa, Venezuela's finance minister, did not comment about the gold when reached by Bloomberg and denied there was a Russian plane at the Simon Bolivar International Airport in Caracas.

"I'm going to start bringing Russian and Turkish airplanes every week so everybody gets scared," he joked.

Bloomberg reached out to Nordwind, which did not comment on the purpose of the flight. The airline did not immediately respond to an email from Fox News.

A plane belonging to a Moscow-based company was reportedly seen Monday heading to an international airport near Caracas, according to flight tracking records.

Reuters reported that there had been speculation about the jet that was “parked by a private corner of the airport.” And Reuters reported that it was the first time the plane made the trip.

Some conspiracy theories have circulated, including that the plane carried mercenaries, but there was no solid evidence, Reuters reported.

Russia, one of President Nicolas Maduro's staunchest supporters, is reportedly owed billions by the Latin American nation. Russia has said it expects Venezuela to have problems repaying debt ahead of an upcoming payment on a Russian loan.

Russia also has extensive commercial interests in Venezuela, including state oil company Rosneft’s partnership with Petroleos de Venezuela SA, a state company placed under sanctions Monday by the United States.

Venezuela is treading in the uncharted political waters after opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim head of state last week in a direct challenge to Maduro’s reign. The 35-year-old head of the opposition-led national assembly has the backing of more than a dozen mostly western nations including the United States, Canada and several members of the European Union.

Venezuela's Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to a prosecutor's request to prevent Guaido from leaving the country while the Socialist government conducts a criminal probe into his activities.

Guaido said outside the National Assembly building that he was aware of personal risks, but added, "Venezuela is set on change, and the world is clearly conscious of what's happening."


https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-plane-in-venezuela-takes-20-tons-of-gold-flies-to-unknown-location-lawmaker-claims

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby pugboy » January 31st, 2019, 11:44 am

Saudis should be glad for this vene diversion
The world has now forgotten Khashoggi

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » January 31st, 2019, 3:52 pm

teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.


Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by an absolute monarch. They don't have elections.

The King of Saudi Arabia is the head of state and head of government.

It's still not a proper comparison.

Also no one is forcing Venezuela to store their gold for safekeeping abroad. They could have set up a Fort Knox style facility within their own borders if they wanted.


Yep
Saudi isnt free nor fair-and yet the US isnt forcing regime change.

This is leading to a real civil war.
Again US fomented instability in the name of 'democracy'

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby shogun » January 31st, 2019, 4:42 pm

pugboy wrote:Saudis should be glad for this vene diversion
The world has now forgotten Khashoggi




If Putin's smile gets any bigger he'll have to seek medical help. The last two years have been good.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby teems1 » January 31st, 2019, 7:53 pm

Redman wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.


Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by an absolute monarch. They don't have elections.

The King of Saudi Arabia is the head of state and head of government.

It's still not a proper comparison.

Also no one is forcing Venezuela to store their gold for safekeeping abroad. They could have set up a Fort Knox style facility within their own borders if they wanted.


Yep
Saudi isnt free nor fair-and yet the US isnt forcing regime change.

This is leading to a real civil war.
Again US fomented instability in the name of 'democracy'


Saudi straight up says they are a kingdom with a monarch and they make no bones about out it.

Venezuela parades itself as a democratic republic while really operating as an autocratic dictatorship.

Those 2 are not comparable whatsoever.

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby De Dragon » January 31st, 2019, 9:31 pm

Redman wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:Free and fair like the Saudis?
At least lets be real here-the US aint worried about democracy,humanitarian issues or free and fair elections.

My point remains- the use of the financial relationships of the various Central Banks to force a political POV is a dangerous precedent. The storage of the gold reserves is not a political tool.

Thats all.
And yeah Abu would have gotten the money if the US felt he would have been easier to deal with-ask Saddam and Muammar.


Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by an absolute monarch. They don't have elections.

The King of Saudi Arabia is the head of state and head of government.

It's still not a proper comparison.

Also no one is forcing Venezuela to store their gold for safekeeping abroad. They could have set up a Fort Knox style facility within their own borders if they wanted.


Yep
Saudi isnt free nor fair-and yet the US isnt forcing regime change.

This is leading to a real civil war.
Again US fomented instability in the name of 'democracy'

:? :?
1)The US considers Saudi Arabia an ally in its anti-Iranian stance in the Middle East.
2)The US considers the UK an ally on its anti-Russia expansionist stance in Europe/globally.
The US considers T&T's stance as not in keeping with its own on Venezuela, who will definitely become an ally and assist in the furtherance of 2) above, if Maduro is shown the door.
In short, T&T has NOTHING that the US wants so badly that they would consider our "feelings" and not publicly rebuke us as they have already done.
Sometimes I does wonder about your thinking Reddo :lol: :lol:

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Redman » February 1st, 2019, 6:31 am

Um teems and I are talking about the central bank thing

And that this move by the us has nothing to do with democracy, humanitarian concerns, or the Venezuelan people.

That's all

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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby The_Honourable » February 1st, 2019, 9:27 pm

The European Parliament voted to recognize opposition leader Juan Guaido as the legitimate interim president of Venezuela and urged EU leaders to do the same.



Venezuela's opposition leader Juan Guaido has warned the national security forces loyal to President Nicolas Maduro to stay away from his family. Guaido accused the forces of showing up at his apartment, while his 20-month-old daughter was at home.



Opposition leader Juan Guaido joined thousands of supporters rallying in Caracas on Wednesday. They want the military to withdraw its support for President Nicolas Maduro. Guaido has claimed in a New York Times opinion piece that he has held secret meetings with senior military officers.



China's leaders have reason to be especially concerned about the turmoil in Venezuela.
It is regarded as China's staunchest ally in South America - a friendship that has been underpinned by huge loans, investments, and weapons sales.



As Washington intensifies its push to drive Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro from power, Russia's Vladimir Putin has vowed to support his Latin American "strategic partner" and warned of "catastrophic" consequences if the United States were to send military assistance to opposition leader Juan Guaido.


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Re: Breaking News: Venezuela 2019 new President Juan Guaido to be sworn in

Postby Dizzy28 » February 1st, 2019, 10:07 pm

Shitkickers say he going mediation talks in Uruguay.

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