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Transgender Men May Get Wombs For Babies

Postby bluefete » February 15th, 2019, 8:49 pm

Yes, I know it is the DM but the topic is just off the charts..

Transgender women born as men could give birth for the first time thanks to pioneering womb transplants
By BEN SPENCER and PAT HAGAN FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 22:20 GMT, 15 February 2019

British surgeons could be the first in the world to transplant a womb into a transgender woman who was born male.

Experts investigating whether the procedure is possible for those who have switched sex to female are convinced it is not only medically feasible but ethically justified.

The surgical team from Imperial College London and Oxford University have ethical approval from the NHS for 15 womb transplants on infertile women, which are expected to start in the coming weeks.

Womb transplants, which cost £50,000 per operation, were developed to allow women to carry a baby if they were born without a womb or have had it removed through illness. Roughly 15,000 women in the UK could benefit.

But the team is also considering trialling the procedure on those who were born male, after they were approached by a number of transgender women. The organs would be taken from dead donors or from women who decide to become men and have their wombs removed in the process.

Writing in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, the scientists said it would be perfectly possible to put a womb into a male body so that they could carry a baby to full-term. And they say it may be ‘legally and ethically impermissible’ not to consider performing the procedure.

Ben Jones, a surgeon at Imperial and member of the Womb Transplant UK organisation which is planning the first operations this year, said a questionnaire of transgender women will help to determine ‘whether or not there is a desire to undergo this process’.

Several transgender men – those who were born women and then switched – have already given birth in the UK.

But in those circumstances it was merely a case of retaining the female reproductive organs after they transitioned, rather than having to implant female organs into a male body.

However, the social complications of such transitions became clear last week when a transgender man who had given birth in such a way launched legal action demanding to be identified as their child’s father – rather than mother – on the birth certificate. The experts stress it is likely to be several years before the procedure for transgender women can happen, but they believe they can overcome key physical differences between male and female body structure to make it a success.

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Ben Jones (pictured), a surgeon at Imperial and member of the Womb Transplant UK organisation, said a questionnaire of transgender women will help to determine ‘whether or not there is a desire to undergo this process’


They write in the journal: ‘There is no overwhelming clinical argument against performing a womb transplant as part of gender reassignment surgery.’

Six months after the surgery and the womb has healed, a donated egg would be fertilised with the transgender woman’s own sperm and the embryo implanted. The baby would then be delivered by caesarean section.

Campaigners argue transgender women should have the same right to carry a child as a woman born female. But not everyone shares their view.

Feminist campaigner Julie Bindel has previously argued against the idea of motherhood for transgender women, saying: ‘This is not about transgender rights, it’s about a twisted notion as to what constitutes a “real woman”.’

Legal experts warn a legislative change would be needed because under current laws surgeons could face ten years in jail if they perform the operation. Writing in the same journal, Natasha Hammond-Browning, a law lecturer at the University of Gloucestershire, said: ‘Since the announcement of the first live birth following uterine transplantation, there has been considerable interest from the trans community.

‘But embryo transfer into a person who was not born a woman is illegal under the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990.

‘Anyone performing it on a transgender woman could face a fine or imprisonment for up to ten years.’

Interest in the idea has grown since the first baby was born from a womb transplant in Sweden in 2014. Since then 11 more have been born in this way in Sweden, the US and Brazil. The operations in the UK are to be charitably funded but experts hope in time they will be available on the NHS.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lants.html

In the UK it would be illegal for an IVF clinic to create an embryo for the purpose of implanting it in a man under the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008.

An international agreement, The Montreal Protocol, also stipulates that womb transplants should be carried out only in biological women.

Julian Savulescu, professor of practical ethics at Oxford University, said womb transplantation represents a ‘significant’ risk to the foetus and future child.

While there might be a ‘psychological benefit’ to the mother of carrying her own pregnancy, this had to be ‘weighed against any psychological harm to the child being born in this atypical way’.


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... lants.html


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Postby K74T » February 15th, 2019, 9:16 pm

Freaks, freaks everywhere.

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Postby The_Honourable » February 15th, 2019, 9:24 pm

£50,000? Well at least you can make money of their mental dysfunction.

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Postby Ben_spanna » February 15th, 2019, 10:28 pm

Buh wah d faak wrong with these MC Bullarz these days? Dem ain’t satisfied with some kok?

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Postby jm3 » February 15th, 2019, 10:39 pm

i think this may be going too far.

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Postby FordeG » February 15th, 2019, 11:16 pm

This madness needs to be stopped.

Imagine growing up and telling ppl you eh have a mother, just a queer trans mentally ill or morally bankrupt father.

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Postby fatboy slim » February 16th, 2019, 3:06 am

This is madness :2gunfire: :rainbow1:

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Postby Kenjo » February 16th, 2019, 6:57 am

1st world problems and I assume the first thing they will do is to get insurance to cover the cost since it’s a ‘ right’

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Postby toyolink » February 16th, 2019, 1:55 pm

I treat these things as if I am getting a peep into some other universe and can only extend best wishes to the inhabitants there.

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Postby maj. tom » February 16th, 2019, 2:03 pm

lol@ when humans f*ck with a billion years of evolution. Watched enough Jurassic Park to know where this going.

On another note, all this medical gender interference is probably going to be chronicled by history as one of the great atrocities in human medicine, like Lobotomies and Aktion T4 programme.

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Postby rspann » February 16th, 2019, 2:04 pm

How could they be called transgender men? Isn't that an oxymoron?

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Postby redmanjp » February 16th, 2019, 2:55 pm

Allyuh see why the draft gender policy never pass in T&T? We would be opening a can of worms if we do it.

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Postby orgazmatron » February 18th, 2019, 6:30 am

Shifting the balance of nature as history will remind us always ends us catastrophic!

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Postby matr1x » February 18th, 2019, 7:44 am

Will they be getting maternity or paternity leave?

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Postby Les Bain » February 18th, 2019, 7:52 am

FordeG wrote:This madness needs to be stopped.

Imagine growing up and telling ppl you eh have a mother, just a queer trans mentally ill or morally bankrupt father.


Real Jenner business :|

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Postby Ben_spanna » February 18th, 2019, 9:52 am

awaits the crys from womantra about how it somehow negatively effects them...……………

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Postby redmanjp » February 18th, 2019, 3:21 pm

matr1x wrote:Will they be getting maternity or paternity leave?


they will get theyernity leave - gender doesn't exist anymore :roll:

seriously the words he or she would be unheard of in 20 years :roll:

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Postby matr1x » February 18th, 2019, 3:35 pm

This will pass like the vegan craze

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Postby redmanjp » February 18th, 2019, 3:43 pm

matr1x wrote:This will pass like the vegan craze


nothing lgbt is a craze- just like same sex marriage, pride parades this will be here to stay once it can work medically, unless there are serious complications which of course they will try to downplay

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Postby hydroep » February 18th, 2019, 4:15 pm

^Exactly.

If some of the recent judgements and statements by certain prominent members of T&T's judiciary is anything to go by, then at least one branch of our Government is already sympathetic to the cause.

The real keep back at this point is the Politicians who are too scared to risk their careers by taking a definitive stance on the matter. In a few years when the older generation with their "moral and spiritual values" passes on, that will change...:|

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Postby matr1x » February 18th, 2019, 5:25 pm

Freakshow is still freakshow

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Postby rspann » February 18th, 2019, 7:44 pm

They putting the womb in the back or the front? Just curious.

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Postby fatboy slim » February 18th, 2019, 9:13 pm

rspann wrote:They putting the womb in the back or the front? Just curious.


back :lol: :lol:

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Postby 88sins » February 18th, 2019, 9:53 pm

so, let's be real logical about this for a minute.
if transgender women have uterine transplants as a viable option, if there's a lot of potential for serious problems like organ rejection & necrosis. but there's also the possibility of other issues of the moral, ethical and financial aspects that some people don't want to acknowledge.

for starters in the here and now, if they expecting insurers to cover this kind of thing and insurers are pressured to do so, insurance companies will find themselves facing some serious questions from their clients. Such as why they are paying for this type of elective surgery with potentially a very high failure rate thats not even necessary for the patients physical well being. Because it's well known that insurers tend to not want to cover expensive elective surgical procedures, especially if those procedures are relatively new and still being pioneered. How will that affect those companies and their other clients?

also, we must ask the question, where do we stop when it comes to how much surgical modification and transformation and mutilation that we as humans conduct on each other, all for the sake of science and medical advances to bolster what has always been and still is today actually considered a mental disorder, simply to facilitate those afflicted with this transgender condition? and where do we go from there? what's next? they gonna transplant the cervix and ovaries too?
if so, then depending on how far medical advances can go said transgender woman may be able to experience menstruation, and as such this may create a serious issue. because if a transgender woman can menstruate and ovulate just like a genetic female, who's to say whether or not they would ever be justified if they didn't disclose their history that they were born male to a potential suitor who is oblivious of their history? could you imagine, you dealing with someone you think is born female, having regular periods and producing children, only to find out years later they were born a dude, and they telling you that they are just as much a genuine female as any other natural born woman because they can bear a child.

i believe future generations of humans are in for a very confusing and crazy existence.

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Postby Les Bain » February 19th, 2019, 7:46 am

Not even worth the beatup here; the key word in this statement is transgendered MTF "could" give birth thanks to womb transplants.

Medical history is known to have its share of hard lucks and oopsies. I'm sorry for the poor souls who buy into this and offer themselves as willing experiments.

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Postby Slartibartfast » February 19th, 2019, 10:01 am

Les Bain wrote:Not even worth the beatup here; the key word in this statement is transgendered MTF "could" give birth thanks to womb transplants.

Medical history is known to have its share of hard lucks and oopsies. I'm sorry for the poor souls who buy into this and offer themselves as willing experiments.

Yeah... There is more than just a womb that separates men and women. The first few test patients are going to be in for a lifetime of medical problems... and they still going to have the same risk of prostate cancer.

From a purely academic perspective it is very interesting to consider, but from every other perspective.... just stop. One Arnold Schwarzenegger movie was enough.

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