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High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby quattro » December 6th, 2019, 9:27 pm

A Busi­ness Guardian Spe­cial Re­port
https://guardian.co.tt/news/high-sulphu ... 190ac0645c

Dar­ren Ba­haw

dar­ren.ba­haw@guardian.co.tt

Diesel fu­el pow­ers the bulk of this coun­try’s com­mer­cial trans­porta­tion in­dus­try, both on land and at sea, but the high sul­phur con­tent is said to be de­stroy­ing the en­gines of mod­ern ve­hi­cles.

A Busi­ness Guardian in­ves­ti­ga­tion has linked the high sul­phur con­tent in the fu­el to the cat­a­stroph­ic fail­ure of en­gines and high main­te­nance costs. This as the T&T Bu­reau of Stan­dards (TTBS) re­ports that it is de­vel­op­ing new stan­dards for diesel and gaso­line fu­els.

One ma­jor lo­cal car deal­er ad­mit­ted his com­pa­ny had been hit with mul­ti-mil­lion dol­lar los­es as it had to change hun­dreds of en­gines, fu­el pumps, in­jec­tors and tur­bocharg­ers all de­stroyed by low-qual­i­ty diesel fu­el.

The domi­no ef­fect left new ve­hi­cle deal­er­ships over­whelmed as cus­tomers with diesel ve­hi­cles crowd­ed their ser­vice bays push­ing out oth­er cus­tomers.

Some cus­tomers had to fork out con­sid­er­able sums to re­pair their ve­hi­cles while oth­ers were cov­ered by the man­u­fac­tur­er’s war­ran­ty.

Many peo­ple chose to pur­chase diesel fu­el-pow­ered ve­hi­cles be­cause it is cheap­er fu­el and cov­ers more mileage than gaso­line.

Now, the re­sale val­ue of their in­vest­ments have de­clined dras­ti­cal­ly and some deal­er­ships are even re­fus­ing to ac­cept those ve­hi­cles as part of trade-ins for oth­er ve­hi­cles.

Own­ers of high-end lux­u­ry ve­hi­cles are among those af­fect­ed.

One new car deal­er, who spoke on the con­di­tion of anonymi­ty, said his com­pa­ny had to bring in for­eign ex­perts to as­sist and point­ed to a pile of dis­card­ed en­gines in the garage

Guardian Me­dia reached out to the ma­jor new car deal­ers seek­ing com­ment and they chose to re­spond through the Au­to­mo­tive Deal­ers As­so­ci­a­tion of T&T.

Pres­i­dent of the as­so­ci­a­tion Jerome Bor­de in a state­ment con­firmed that the high sul­phur con­tent in diesel fu­el was dam­ag­ing the en­gines of ve­hi­cles.

(See box)

Apart from ir­repara­ble dam­age to ve­hi­cle en­gines, the rep­u­ta­tion of pre­mi­um ve­hi­cle brands are al­so be­ing com­pro­mised.

Me­chan­ics from sev­er­al lead­ing au­to­mo­bile deal­er­ships, who spoke off the record, as they were not au­tho­rised to speak on be­half of their com­pa­nies, ad­mit the sul­phur in the fu­el grad­u­al­ly eats away at the en­gine’s com­po­nents.

The so­lu­tion, me­chan­ics say, is to use ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel (ULSD) which would like­ly cost sig­nif­i­cant­ly high­er than pre­mi­um gaso­line—which now fetch­es $5.75 a litre at the pump.

Al­ter­na­tive­ly, fu­el im­porters can in­crease the vol­ume of bio-fu­el mixed with high sul­phur diesel, which would low­er the sul­phur con­tent and al­so pro­duce clean­er emis­sions.

An­oth­er me­chan­ic de­scribed the ef­fects of lo­cal diesel on mod­ern en­gines as “breath­ing in sand.”

An al­most $3 bil­lion ULSD plant that was be­ing con­struct­ed by the now-de­funct Petrotrin to pro­duce ULSD re­mains in­op­er­a­ble be­cause of struc­tur­al de­fects and even if the re­fin­ery re­opens will need sig­nif­i­cant in­vest­ments to bring it up to scratch.

The new op­er­a­tors of the re­fin­ery, Pa­tri­ot­ic En­er­gies and Tech­nolo­gies Com­pa­ny Ltd—a com­pa­ny whol­ly-owned by the Oil­fields Work­ers’ Trade Union— would have to kick-start the plant to pro­duce and sell diesel and oth­er fu­els on in­ter­na­tion­al and re­gion­al mar­kets.

In re­sponse to ques­tions from Guardian Me­dia, Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny, the coun­try’s au­tho­rised fu­el im­porter, said the fu­els it im­ports, in­clud­ing diesel, are in keep­ing with the TTBS spec­i­fi­ca­tion for mo­tor ve­hi­cles.

But car man­u­fac­tur­ers have long rec­om­mend­ed ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel fu­el for mod­ern en­gines.

Ve­hi­cle own­ers who spoke to Guardian Me­dia ques­tioned why they were nev­er told the lo­cal diesel sup­ply was not com­pat­i­ble with their ve­hi­cles and whether the com­pa­nies kept it a se­cret.

One such own­er, Dr Rollin Bertrand, who pur­chased a high-end ve­hi­cle from the lo­cal deal­er­ship South­ern Sales re­count­ed his ex­pe­ri­ence af­ter his en­gine failed.

The for­mer Trinidad Ce­ment Ltd CEO said his me­chan­ic told him there was a “mis­match be­tween the fu­el and the en­gine” of his ve­hi­cle.

He said he be­gan to ex­pe­ri­ence prob­lems start­ing his ve­hi­cle and a di­ag­no­sis re­vealed the com­pres­sion of the en­gine had “fall­en away” be­cause of the ef­fects of the high sul­phur con­tent of the fu­el.

Bertrand said he even­tu­al­ly had to make con­tact with the ve­hi­cle’s for­eign man­u­fac­tur­er af­ter ne­go­ti­at­ing with the lo­cal deal­er­ship and was able to get a “sig­nif­i­cant dis­count” on a com­plete­ly new en­gine which could han­dle the high sul­phur con­tent.

Bertrand sur­mised that the lo­cal car deal­ers be­gan im­port­ing ve­hi­cles which re­quired low sul­phur diesel as the new Ul­tra Low Diesel Plant was about to be com­mis­sioned by Petrotrin in 2009.

“It is a re­al scan­dal. These ve­hi­cles are shut­ting down all over the place. I had to re­sort to spray­ing Bay­gon in­to the in­take of the en­gine for it to start.

“Imag­ine a mil­lion-dol­lar ve­hi­cle start­ing like an old truck,” he said.

Bertrand said he was told by the lo­cal deal­er­ship that be­fore the diesel ve­hi­cles were sold on the lo­cal mar­ket, agents for the for­eign com­pa­ny took a lo­cal sam­ple of the fu­el for test­ing and ap­proved it.

Ri­ad Ali, a man­ag­er at Lifestyle Mo­tors, ad­mit­ted that the lo­cal diesel had af­fect­ed the per­for­mance of some of the ve­hi­cles.

He sug­gest­ed short­er pe­ri­ods for ser­vic­ing as a counter-mea­sure.

An­oth­er ex­ec­u­tive at a Port-of-Spain-based car deal­er­ship sug­gest­ed that Paria im­port ul­tra-low diesel fu­el and give cus­tomers the choice, just as in Pre­mi­um and Su­per gaso­line.

He too said the lo­cal diesel fu­el had been test­ed be­fore a de­ci­sion was tak­en to im­port the high-end ve­hi­cles but claimed that it de­grad­ed over time.

Paria Fu­el says it has re­ceived re­quests to bring in ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel fu­el from cus­tomers who own lux­u­ry Eu­ro­pean ve­hi­cles but de­clined be­cause the de­mand was too low.

The com­pa­ny said it was aware that Clax­ton Bay com­pa­ny, AM Mar­ket­ing, was im­port­ing ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel and re­tail­ing it at $2,812 a bar­rel (200 litres). That works out to $14 a litre com­pared to $3.41 a litre for diesel sold at the pump.

AM Mar­ket­ing did not re­spond to a re­quest for an in­ter­view but Guardian Me­dia con­firmed their sale of ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel fu­el.

Paria Fu­el says it in­tends to im­port ul­tra-low sul­phur diesel dur­ing the sec­ond half of 2020 and the trad­ing price will be de­ter­mined by the mar­ket price at that time.

Be­fore No­vem­ber 2018, State-owned Petrotrin pro­duced all fu­el for the lo­cal mar­ket.

In the last few months be­fore its clo­sure, the diesel fu­el it pro­duced fell way be­low the ac­cept­able lim­its of sul­phur set by the TTBS.

Con­fi­den­tial da­ta for that pe­ri­od from Na­tion­al Pe­tro­le­um showed the sul­phur con­tent in­creased by al­most 200 per cent.

Da­ta seen by Guardian Me­dia showed the sul­phur con­tent in diesel fu­el sky-rock­et­ing to over 2,800 parts per mil­lion (ppm) in some in­stances.

Since Paria Fu­el came on stream there has been an im­prove­ment in the qual­i­ty of diesel fu­el im­port­ed. Da­ta from Na­tion­al Pe­tro­le­um show the im­port­ed diesel fu­el has close to 900 ppm.

The TTBS says the com­pul­so­ry stan­dard for diesel fu­el is 1,000 ppm. The stan­dard for gaso­line is 500 ppm.

Lo­cal car deal­ers told Guardian Me­dia that the rec­om­mend­ed diesel sul­phur con­tent for mod­ern ve­hi­cles was be­tween 10 to 500 ppm.

The TTBS says its cur­rent stan­dard is­sued in 2011 was “now out­dat­ed” and the or­gan­i­sa­tion “ini­ti­at­ed the re­vi­sion process in June 2019 to align the chem­i­cal re­quire­ments for diesel fu­el to in­ter­na­tion­al re­quire­ments aimed at:-

1) en­sur­ing ac­cept­able prod­uct qual­i­ty and

2) pro­tect­ing the en­vi­ron­ment in ac­cor­dance with TTBS’ le­gal man­date (Chap­ter 82:03)”

The TTBS stat­ed that as part of its en­force­ment regime for this com­pul­so­ry stan­dard, it would have con­duct­ed analy­ses of Cer­tifi­cates of Qual­i­ty (CoQ) pro­duced by the now-de­funct Petrotrin and for diesel im­port­ed by Paria Fu­el.

“From the analy­ses of the Co­Qs, it is ev­i­dent that there has been an im­prove­ment in the qual­i­ty of diesel im­port­ed in­to the coun­try. Some ar­eas of im­prove­ment in­clude re­duced sul­phur con­tent and to­tal aro­mat­ic hy­dro­car­bons,” the or­gan­i­sa­tion said.

“In ad­di­tion, we are cur­rent­ly de­vel­op­ing a more rig­or­ous en­force­ment pro­ce­dure which will in­clude test­ing by in­de­pen­dent test lab­o­ra­to­ries to en­sure that all fu­el (whether im­port­ed or lo­cal­ly man­u­fac­tured) con­form to the re­quire­ments of the rel­e­vant na­tion­al com­pul­so­ry stan­dard.”

Asked specif­i­cal­ly whether there have been any com­plaints from lo­cal car deal­er­ships re­gard­ing the qual­i­ty of diesel fu­el used by high-end ve­hi­cles such as Porsche, Au­di, Volk­swa­gen BMW, Mer­cedes Benz, Land Rover, the TTBS said it has re­ceived re­quests from key stake­hold­ers in the lo­cal car in­dus­try to re­vise the na­tion­al fu­el stan­dards, as re­cent as De­cem­ber 2018.

“TTBS has made a de­ci­sion to pro­ceed with this re­quest to com­mence the re­vi­sion of the na­tion­al com­pul­so­ry stan­dard for diesel, as well as gaso­line, in col­lab­o­ra­tion with oth­er key stake­hold­ers with reg­u­la­to­ry over­sight for the en­er­gy sec­tor. The re­vi­sion process for the diesel and gaso­line stan­dards of­fi­cial­ly com­menced in June 2019.”

But me­chan­ics say the shift to more suit­able diesel fu­el needs to be done much soon­er to pre­vent fur­ther degra­da­tion of en­gines.

Many of the ve­hi­cles man­u­fac­tured in Eu­rope, UK and now Japan must meet in­ter­na­tion­al stan­dards re­gard­ing low emis­sions to pro­tect the en­vi­ron­ment and man­u­fac­tur­ers rec­om­mend fu­el with low sul­phur con­tent.

Asked whether there has been any re­quest to im­prove the stan­dards of diesel fu­el to meet the re­quire­ments of Eu­ro-spec fu­el in keep­ing with the man­u­fac­tur­ers’ rec­om­men­da­tion for the type of fu­el to be used in high-end lux­u­ry ve­hi­cles, the Ma­coya-based reg­u­la­to­ry body said it will use in­ter­na­tion­al bench­marks to in­form the re­vi­sion of the na­tion­al stan­dard for diesel fu­el.

“We have looked at the Eu­ro-6 spec­i­fi­ca­tion which is 10 ppm for sul­phur and ASTM (Amer­i­can So­ci­ety for Test­ing and Ma­te­ri­als) In­ter­na­tion­al Stan­dard which spec­i­fies 500 ppm for Low Sul­phur Diesel and 15 ppm for Ul­tra-Low Sul­phur Diesel.

“The stan­dard­i­s­a­tion process re­quires con­sul­ta­tion with in­dus­try stake­hold­ers to en­sure feed­back is re­ceived on all pro­posed com­pul­so­ry re­quire­ments,” the TTBS said.

State­ment for Au­to­mo­tive Deal­ers As­so­ci­a­tion of Trinidad and To­ba­go

“ADATT has for many years raised con­cerns with the high sul­phur con­tent in the diesel sup­plied to the lo­cal mar­ket.

All the lo­cal agen­cies in the sup­ply chain are aware of the po­ten­tial dam­age high sul­phur can cause to the en­gines run­ning on diesel.

In most cas­es the con­tent is twice the max­i­mum tol­er­ance lev­el.

The re­sult has been an enor­mous cost to deal­ers who out of good­will have un­der­tak­en to re­pair at no cost to the con­sumer.

We look for­ward to the day our sup­ply meets the ul­tra low sul­phur re­quire­ments of most mar­kets.”

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby ProtonPowder » December 6th, 2019, 10:52 pm

hard lucks to all the men buying diesel Q7 and GLE

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby rspann » December 6th, 2019, 11:14 pm

Nah, you just keep a tin of BOP with you all the time.

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Postby Sōsuke Aizen » December 6th, 2019, 11:25 pm

OP had to empty his pockets on a new TFSI

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby rspann » December 6th, 2019, 11:32 pm

They not bringing the new Audi's diesel anymore so it might be and old model. The toureg, q7 cayenne share the same engine so it's not hard to get. The X5 are still being imported although they know the problem and yet they talk about losses.

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Postby rspann » December 6th, 2019, 11:34 pm

They talking about the euros, what causing all the DPF problems in the other diesels?

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby Phone Surgeon » December 7th, 2019, 7:59 am

I see a man selling used diesel 5 series, 7 series , slk , etc....3 months warranty

Now that is paying to get screwed.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby De Dragon » December 7th, 2019, 8:30 am

Well this is what you get when there is no accountability and a 3 Billion dollar plant cannot produce an ounce of ULSD, and we shrug our shoulders and say "hard luck dey".

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Postby Ryan197912 » December 7th, 2019, 8:53 am

When VW was caught in the US cheating on emissions testing they paid the car owners for their vehicles...similarly if SS, Lifestyle et al brought down vehicles that ultimately proved not suitable for our country ..they and the manufacturers should compensate the owners

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Postby Dave » December 7th, 2019, 9:11 am

The only mass vehicle compensation we ever got was when Ford exchanged the laser for escort years ago.

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Postby toyolink » December 7th, 2019, 3:22 pm

Finally this issue is being tackled head-on.
We need to deal with fuel standards in a regulatory framework including penalities and provisions for damages suffered by customers.
Until this is done consumer protection is really non-existent.
Shortly, the horror stories with hybrids will begin when the 6 year thresholds are realised.

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Postby Slartibartfast » January 21st, 2020, 8:55 am

No idea what is causing it but didn't want to start a new thread. I've been getting serious problems with my van the past couple of weeks as well. Everybody is our company with vans has also been complaining.

Paria defends fuel, customers blame vehicle problems on bad diesel


The qual­i­ty of fu­el in this coun­try is again be­ing called in­to ques­tion, this time it seems to be cen­tred on diesel.

The is­sue was raised by the own­er of a Toy­ota Hilux Ve­hi­cle who called Guardian Me­dia to high­light the mat­ter.

An­drew Bha­gan said the prob­lem for him oc­curred two Wednes­days ago. “Mine shut down the oth­er day I start­ed to get some rough idling af­ter fill­ing fu­el in Siparia.”

Bha­gan said he took the ve­hi­cle to a tech­ni­cian and the di­ag­no­sis point­ed to the fu­el. “He scanned the ve­hi­cle and said every­thing else was work­ing good. It was re­ceiv­ing fu­el the pump work­ing, every­thing work­ing. He said it has to be that the in­jec­tors were not giv­ing a sig­nal; the in­jec­tors were de­fec­tive at that point in time and that was caused be­cause of what­ev­er the com­po­si­tion in that fu­el was that caused it.”

In or­der to get a sec­ond opin­ion, Bha­gan ex­plained that he and the tech­ni­cian took the ve­hi­cle to a com­pa­ny that spe­cialis­es in such mat­ter and again the qual­i­ty of the fu­el was blamed.

He said it cost $5000 and he still has to pay his tech­ni­cian.

But Bha­gan is not alone.

Al­lis­ter Phillip, the own­er of a Maz­da BT50 ve­hi­cle said,

“Last Thurs­day I filled up diesel in Vista­bel­la, af­ter that I went to pick up my daugh­ter and whilst wait­ing my van be­gan vi­brat­ing heav­i­ly. I was con­fused be­cause my van is brand new. I was still able to make it home. The next day I checked the parts store for an air fil­ter be­cause I as­sumed that could be the cause. He told me at least 6 cus­tomers com­plained with the same prob­lem in­clud­ing his own new van. He told me it seems a bad batch of fu­el passed through.”

Phillip said yes­ter­day he asked the gas sta­tion own­er about it “but they de­nied any knowl­edge of bad fu­el.”

Now he is with­out a ve­hi­cle at the mo­ment.

A fe­male mo­torist, who owns a Hyundai San­ta Fe re­count­ed that the same thing hap­pened and her en­tire fu­el sys­tem had to be changed at a cost of 50 thou­sand dol­lars at the lo­cal deal­er.

There were sev­er­al oth­er sim­i­lar com­plaints re­ceived. Now the ve­hi­cle own­ers are ask­ing who is go­ing to pay for their re­pairs.

“We want to know how we could go about get­ting com­pen­sat­ed for this,” An­drew Bha­gan asked.

See­ing that the prob­lem is not unique to any par­tic­u­lar gas sta­tion, Guardian Me­dia reached out to Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny Lim­it­ed, the provider of the fu­el.

In a state­ment, Paria said it has not re­ceived any for­mal com­plaints from our cus­tomers/clients.

It said, “All re­fined fu­els im­port­ed by Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny Lim­it­ed (Paria) and sold in­to the lo­cal mar­ket - Diesel/Gasoil, Jet Fu­el and Un­lead­ed Gaso­line (Su­per and Pre­mi­um) have ei­ther met or, in many cas­es, ex­ceed­ed spec­i­fi­ca­tions. Paria con­tin­ues to main­tain a rig­or­ous test­ing pro­ce­dure to en­sure that prod­ucts sold on the lo­cal mar­ket meet lo­cal spec­i­fi­ca­tions es­tab­lished by Trinidad and To­ba­go Bu­reau of Stan­dards (TTBS) for mo­tor ve­hi­cles.”

In April last year, The Paria Fu­el Trad­ing Com­pa­ny de­fend­ed the qual­i­ty of its fu­el af­ter the Trinidad and To­ba­go Na­tion­al Pe­tro­le­um Mar­ket­ing Com­pa­ny an­nounced that it will in­ves­ti­gate claims that the fu­el has been burn­ing faster.

In Sep­tem­ber 2018 scores of an­gry mo­torists lined up at NP’s Rox­bor­ough Gas Sta­tion de­mand­ing an­swers and com­pen­sa­tion fol­low­ing the sale of con­t­a­m­i­nat­ed fu­el.

NP said then that the con­t­a­m­i­na­tion was con­tained and sales at the sta­tion had stopped.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby ronsin1 » January 21st, 2020, 9:06 am

I have heard from various owners of diesel powered vehicles that since their last fill up they have had issues

However primarily hilux and rangers from the circles I'm in

So far I have not had issues with my vehicle but this morning is my 2nd fill up in as many weeks so I will be monitoring today

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Postby Slartibartfast » January 21st, 2020, 9:27 am

Yeah everyone in our company that has a hilux has complained over the past couple weeks. A coworker's van refused to start a couple days ago and the company had to send it back to the firm. I heard that the fuel injectors seized and need to be replaced.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby gastly369 » January 21st, 2020, 9:36 am

What's out standard PPM that we "meet or exceed"? Betting no adjustments to the standard in modern times

Hliux is 500ppm sulphur content max

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby sMASH » January 21st, 2020, 9:56 am

within the last month or so, ive noticed a slight reduction in the power of my zd30. i usually run a mix of pitchoil diesel. and for the last half of a year, ive cut back on the proportion of pitchoil in the mix, so its more diesel. i was thinking that because is more diesel, that the injectors starting to block up again, and was doing so slowly as it was mixed diesel, instead of quickly with the pure diesel. either that or the fuel pump finally dying because of my pitch oil use.

its only the last 6 months or so, i reduced the pitch oil to a very consistent proportion. before it varied quite a bit.

these people flecking up.

things like this could reach a class action lawsuit. is to get a sample and compare it to new vehicle spec.


if anything convert to qd30 and 3c turbos, lol. new frame, old reliable heart

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Postby eliteauto » January 21st, 2020, 11:14 am

A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby adnj » January 21st, 2020, 1:28 pm

Suphur? Maybe. More likely that the contaminant is sludge, microbes, rust, or water.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby mitch1980 » January 21st, 2020, 1:36 pm

eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » January 21st, 2020, 2:34 pm

About that diesel
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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby Slartibartfast » January 21st, 2020, 3:17 pm

mitch1980 wrote:
eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

I fill up exclusively at Cross Crossing Unipet. Got a lot of problems this past week. Just filled up by the NP next to Cross Crossing JTA. Tank light was on so there is little diesel from the unipet station in the tank. I'll post here if I still continue getting problems.

But we it's almost all of the company's diesel vehicles that have shown problems starting about 3 weeks ago. The vehicles are mostly hiluxes ranging in manufacture year from 2015 to 2019. That's why the mechanic was saying it seems like a widespread fuel problem.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby jsali » January 21st, 2020, 3:20 pm

Hey

Should treatments be used in the mean time?
Any suggestions?

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby mitch1980 » January 21st, 2020, 3:34 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

I fill up exclusively at Cross Crossing Unipet. Got a lot of problems this past week. Just filled up by the NP next to Cross Crossing JTA. Tank light was on so there is little diesel from the unipet station in the tank. I'll post here if I still continue getting problems.

But we it's almost all of the company's diesel vehicles that have shown problems starting about 3 weeks ago. The vehicles are mostly hiluxes ranging in manufacture year from 2015 to 2019. That's why the mechanic was saying it seems like a widespread fuel problem.



Driving a 2019 Hilux , no issues on the fuel received thus far (knock on wood).

In general be weary of gas stations which were affected by flood in Dec 2019.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby zoom rader » January 21st, 2020, 3:42 pm

mitch1980 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

I fill up exclusively at Cross Crossing Unipet. Got a lot of problems this past week. Just filled up by the NP next to Cross Crossing JTA. Tank light was on so there is little diesel from the unipet station in the tank. I'll post here if I still continue getting problems.

But we it's almost all of the company's diesel vehicles that have shown problems starting about 3 weeks ago. The vehicles are mostly hiluxes ranging in manufacture year from 2015 to 2019. That's why the mechanic was saying it seems like a widespread fuel problem.



Driving a 2019 Hilux , no issues on the fuel received thus far (knock on wood).

In general be weary of gas stations which were affected by flood in Dec 2019.
The old Toyota 3l engine is the proven Engine for low quality diesel.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby mitch1980 » January 21st, 2020, 3:51 pm

zoom rader wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

I fill up exclusively at Cross Crossing Unipet. Got a lot of problems this past week. Just filled up by the NP next to Cross Crossing JTA. Tank light was on so there is little diesel from the unipet station in the tank. I'll post here if I still continue getting problems.

But we it's almost all of the company's diesel vehicles that have shown problems starting about 3 weeks ago. The vehicles are mostly hiluxes ranging in manufacture year from 2015 to 2019. That's why the mechanic was saying it seems like a widespread fuel problem.



Driving a 2019 Hilux , no issues on the fuel received thus far (knock on wood).

In general be weary of gas stations which were affected by flood in Dec 2019.
The old Toyota 3l engine is the proven Engine for low quality diesel.



^^ had the 3.0l for 8 years over 250,000 kms and never had fuel or mechanical issues. at 8 years old it still gave 730 KM (highway run mostly) per tank of diesel.

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » January 21st, 2020, 3:54 pm

zoom rader wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
mitch1980 wrote:
eliteauto wrote:A colleague of mine with a Hyundai H1 indicated that his 3 H1s all stalled or refused to start after recent fill ups of diesel as well



Can you find out where are these particular gas station/s ?

I have been filling in Cross Crossing Unipet and Duncan Village NP stations . no issue thus far

I fill up exclusively at Cross Crossing Unipet. Got a lot of problems this past week. Just filled up by the NP next to Cross Crossing JTA. Tank light was on so there is little diesel from the unipet station in the tank. I'll post here if I still continue getting problems.

But we it's almost all of the company's diesel vehicles that have shown problems starting about 3 weeks ago. The vehicles are mostly hiluxes ranging in manufacture year from 2015 to 2019. That's why the mechanic was saying it seems like a widespread fuel problem.



Driving a 2019 Hilux , no issues on the fuel received thus far (knock on wood).

In general be weary of gas stations which were affected by flood in Dec 2019.
The old Toyota 3l engine is the proven Engine for low quality diesel.


Same can be said with a qd32 and td27

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby sMASH » January 21st, 2020, 4:58 pm

It happened to me just as I got my van too. Fight up, got to start, rear treatment, etc.
While I had the ecumenical light on, got a guy to scan, it showed high injector pressure. When that hap0ens, ecu will down tune to reduce back pressure on the fuel pump, and not damage it.


Pitch oil is a solvent, so I suppose it cleans the injectors. It's not a lubricant so it will eat the pump. U Hadda find the balance


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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby tr1ad » January 22nd, 2020, 1:55 pm

have 150+ vehicles in our fleet - Isuzu, Np300, Hilux, Bt50 over 5 years now.... probably 10% are recent additions within the last 6 months and to date no issues wrt fuel

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby kamakazi » January 22nd, 2020, 3:10 pm

I inform people that if they don't have a mechanical bone in their body change their mind from owning a diesel powered vehicle/s.

It requires more consistent care and attention.

I usually put additives in my fuel every other fill-up; power service diesel kleen(current) and penray diesel fuel conditioner, cause I believe the fuel sold locally is deficient in a couple of areas... Not just sulphur.

Forgot to mention... Synthetic oils and those suited for more stringent emissions standards tend to have lower TBN (total base number) which reduces its ability to neutralize acids. This combined with longer oil drain intervals that manufacturers are pushing, and greater volumes of acid as result of burning high sulphur diesel are compounding the problem

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Re: High sulphur diesel endangering luxury vehicles

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » January 22nd, 2020, 9:51 pm

Gas being blamed again
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