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Re: Coronavirus - COVID-19 - 5764 cases, 110 deaths, 661 active, 4993 recovered in T&T

Postby Dohplaydat » November 5th, 2020, 7:54 pm

pugboy wrote:switzerland has gone from around hundred or so daily cases during the first euro wave to several thousand a day now

and them swiss are typically well behaved folks


Numbers in the first wave aren't accurate, in many cases you'll have to multiply by 10 even 20 to get an accurate case number......use the death rate as an indication, but also remember fatality rate is also down too due to improved treatments.

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Postby pugboy » November 5th, 2020, 8:08 pm

so what going to happen to us if and when we get a serious second wave

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pugboy wrote:switzerland has gone from around hundred or so daily cases during the first euro wave to several thousand a day now

and them swiss are typically well behaved folks


Numbers in the first wave aren't accurate, in many cases you'll have to multiply by 10 even 20 to get an accurate case number......use the death rate as an indication, but also remember fatality rate is also down too due to improved treatments.

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Postby Numb3r4 » November 6th, 2020, 3:23 am

I don't think we can consider that right now and if we go to think about that now before Christmas, before an anticipated shopping season.....

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Postby redmanjp » November 6th, 2020, 1:40 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
pugboy wrote:switzerland has gone from around hundred or so daily cases during the first euro wave to several thousand a day now

and them swiss are typically well behaved folks


Numbers in the first wave aren't accurate, in many cases you'll have to multiply by 10 even 20 to get an accurate case number......use the death rate as an indication, but also remember fatality rate is also down too due to improved treatments.


our death rate was like 7% for our first wave in march/april- obviously too high, and i remember ppl complaining they were sick but couldn't get tested at that time. now it's about 1.7% so testing is about 3-4 times higher than then so cases then should have been 400-500 at the time instead of 138 or thereabout.

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Postby Dohplaydat » November 6th, 2020, 1:55 pm

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Dohplaydat wrote:
pugboy wrote:switzerland has gone from around hundred or so daily cases during the first euro wave to several thousand a day now

and them swiss are typically well behaved folks


Numbers in the first wave aren't accurate, in many cases you'll have to multiply by 10 even 20 to get an accurate case number......use the death rate as an indication, but also remember fatality rate is also down too due to improved treatments.


our death rate was like 7% for our first wave in march/april- obviously too high, and i remember ppl complaining they were sick but couldn't get tested at that time. now it's about 1.7% so testing is about 3-4 times higher than then so cases then should have been 400-500 at the time instead of 138 or thereabout.


I wasn't specifically talking about Trinidad as our 'first wave' numbers were too small to really tell, but yea it probably applies to us.

What I specifically meant was that in other countries when the first wave was just racking up deaths, the reported case numbers were still much lower than there are today.

The US, France, Italy, Sweden, Belgium in the beginning probably had way more cases than what was reported.

Even right now the US is reporting over 100k cases a day but deaths are half as their previous peak (when cases numbers were like a quarter of what they are now).

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Postby pete » November 6th, 2020, 3:02 pm

It's a combination of more younger people getting it and deaths following cases by about 2 weeks. Look at the graphs there, each increase in cases is followed by a couple weeks by an increase in deaths. Winter in the US is going to be very bad.

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Postby Dohplaydat » November 6th, 2020, 4:40 pm

pete wrote:It's a combination of more younger people getting it and deaths following cases by about 2 weeks. Look at the graphs there, each increase in cases is followed by a couple weeks by an increase in deaths. Winter in the US is going to be very bad.


Ofc, everyone is well aware of the lag. I was just pointing out that early on cases were much higher than reported due to limitations in testing which have mostly been solved except in Trinidad.

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Postby toyolink » November 6th, 2020, 5:12 pm

We seem to have settled into a pandemic style of living with an infection rate of about 10-30 and death rate not exceeding 1-2 daily.
This may pretty much mirror our H1N1 experience over the last few years and we just came to accept this.
In all likely-hood once the fear of the pandemic becomes emotionally acceptable we going to revert to being our normal numb selves and just roll the dice.
The fact that all commercial activity is just grinding at a somewhat sud-standard rate and many are still on reduced or no income is certainly going to cause a reshuffling of our priorities.
Covid19 is clearly a hell of a smart virus that surpasses its clinical characteristics in being able to exploit our weaknesses.
Even discussions about the horrid state of our economy and what has to be done are now muted since we in the most part are now concerned about other survival issues.

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Postby Kenjo » November 6th, 2020, 5:28 pm

Imagine them versions that gone to the minks decided to go to some agouti or other wildlife here or Venezuela

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Postby K74T » November 6th, 2020, 5:32 pm

PM media conference at 2PM tomorrow

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Postby Dohplaydat » November 6th, 2020, 5:38 pm

toyolink wrote:We seem to have settled into a pandemic style of living with an infection rate of about 10-30 and death rate not exceeding 1-2 daily.
This may pretty much mirror our H1N1 experience over the last few years and we just came to accept this.
In all likely-hood once the fear of the pandemic becomes emotionally acceptable we going to revert to being our normal numb selves and just roll the dice.
The fact that all commercial activity is just grinding at a somewhat sud-standard rate and many are still on reduced or no income is certainly going to cause a reshuffling of our priorities.
Covid19 is clearly a hell of a smart virus that surpasses its clinical characteristics in being able to exploit our weaknesses.
Even discussions about the horrid state of our economy and what has to be done are now muted since we in the most part are now concerned about other survival issues.


That's with our current restrictions though and is the h1n1 death rate so high? Double check that.

Anyway, it's all about balance, we can't be so risk adverse at the consequence of other essentials, quality of life and people's livelihoods.

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Postby sMASH » November 6th, 2020, 6:42 pm

The medicine cannot be worse than the disease.

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Postby death365 » November 7th, 2020, 9:57 am

What I think Rowley will sa today.


Private sector can come if... Once everything is in place.

Dining with social distancing

Bars to re open

Rivers get blank again

Preschool and daycare open

That is all

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Postby De Dragon » November 7th, 2020, 10:08 am

death365 wrote:What I think Rowley will sa today.


Private sector can come if... Once everything is in place.

Dining with social distancing

Bars to re open

Rivers get blank again

Preschool and daycare open

That is all

What I think he should say
I am an incompetent arse who has no business running a sno cone stand,far less a country.

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Postby redmanjp » November 7th, 2020, 12:30 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
toyolink wrote:We seem to have settled into a pandemic style of living with an infection rate of about 10-30 and death rate not exceeding 1-2 daily.
This may pretty much mirror our H1N1 experience over the last few years and we just came to accept this.
In all likely-hood once the fear of the pandemic becomes emotionally acceptable we going to revert to being our normal numb selves and just roll the dice.
The fact that all commercial activity is just grinding at a somewhat sud-standard rate and many are still on reduced or no income is certainly going to cause a reshuffling of our priorities.
Covid19 is clearly a hell of a smart virus that surpasses its clinical characteristics in being able to exploit our weaknesses.
Even discussions about the horrid state of our economy and what has to be done are now muted since we in the most part are now concerned about other survival issues.


That's with our current restrictions though and is the h1n1 death rate so high? Double check that.

Anyway, it's all about balance, we can't be so risk adverse at the consequence of other essentials, quality of life and people's livelihoods.



i think it was 41 for last flu season. of course that's without any public health measures to suppress it. covid has passed 110 WITH measures to suppress it, which easily could have been 10-20 times worse if it was not done as it is more deadly AND more contagious

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Postby redmanjp » November 7th, 2020, 2:09 pm

PM conference on now

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Postby bluefete » November 7th, 2020, 2:28 pm

LONG FORM COVID: - This is a difficult but valuable read. Few are talking about this in T&T. I know we mentioned it earlier in this thread but this account is just WOW!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54793726

BBC correspondent: 'Long Covid has left me exhausted for seven months'
By Lucy Adams
BBC Scotland social affairs correspondent

Published16 hours ago

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More than seven months on from contracting Covid-19, I look fairly normal. There are bags under my eyes but generally I look ok.

It is one of the first things people say: "You look fine - you must be feeling better?" And there is a lesson there.

Over the years as a journalist I have done news stories and documentaries that have touched on the lives of people in chronic pain. The question was how to convey their suffering on camera and get viewers to empathise with something that was essentially invisible?

The answer was to tell the story in their own words. To allow them to give voice to the pain.

I am more comfortable telling other people's stories. But for once I need to tell my own, because I feel I need to explain what "long Covid" is like.

My sick note from the doctor says "post viral fatigue after contracting Covid-19". For me, it is painfully evident but others can't see how it has affected me for months.

How it all began
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Like thousands of people around the country I fell ill with Covid symptoms in mid-March.

I am in my early 40s and was generally pretty fit and active, but this hit me hard. My limbs and head ached, my throat burned and my head was foggy. But I managed to lie on the bedroom floor to teach the kids about cheetahs or some such thing.

It was an attempt at home-schooling which often resulted in me falling asleep. I could still walk the kids round the block to get them some fresh air but then I would sleep all afternoon.

After seven days my temperature went up from a fever of 37.7C (100F) to a burning hot 39.4C (103F) and stayed there for 10 days. The pain in my back was agony. My eldest daughter, who was then seven, developed a fever at the same time but she was mainly just tired, while her younger sister had one day of fever and then recovered. My husband had no symptoms.

For me, the illness lingered. I couldn't sleep. I felt nauseous and had horrific abdominal pain. I sweated and shivered all the time. I couldn't stand up but lying down was painful. I was desperate to get a test but, at this early stage in the pandemic, there were none available outside hospitals.

My daughter and I both got a full body rash and lost our sense of taste and smell.

Then came the breathlessness. First from walking up the stairs. Then just lying in bed, it felt impossible to fill my lungs.

I called the NHS telephone helpline and was advised to stay at home unless I couldn't speak at all or my lips turned blue. My daughter became breathless too but then she seemed to recover.

Ashamed of being sick for so long

By the time I had been sick for seven weeks I remember telling my brother I felt ashamed for being off work for so long.

The NHS suggested Covid would last about two weeks yet I was still getting fevers and palpitations and so many other symptoms after two months. It was then that I read a BMJ article by Paul Garner, professor of infectious diseases at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine.

I cried with relief. He was going through the same pick 'n' mix pattern of symptoms. Not only that but he had just started feeling better. He had got ill around the same time as me so I thought that must mean I was days away from recovery.

Unfortunately not.

Prof Garner's next article detailed how he had gone for a long walk and relapsed. He described it as a game of "snakes and ladders" and talked about "phantom speed cameras", with which it is impossible to know what the limits are.

Psychological impact of not getting better

On good days I can go for a slow walk - pausing to sit on pavements and fallen trees to catch my breath. I can hold a conversation and pass myself off as fairly normal. On bad days it feels impossible to move from bed. The mattress feels like a ship rolling in a rough sea, my hands shake, my vision blurs, I struggle for breath, my body shivers and vibrates, and every sound cuts through my head like shattered glass.

I've never experienced anything like it. I've had malaria before. Looking back, that was a walk in the park. The psychological impact of not getting better for such a long time is hard to explain. After an illness you would expect a steady improvement and a return to normality. Maybe a couple of days or a week in bed - but it's not happening.

'The time before mummy got sick'

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Before I got sick I cycled every day, swam twice a week and went hill-walking when I could. Now a slow totter around the park leaves me breathless and exhausted.

I can still do things but every action has repercussions. If I empty the whole dishwasher at once I might get a migraine so I do one layer at a time. If I go for a walk, I have to go straight to bed afterwards. If I walk too far I might end up with a fever. Vertigo, brain fog, tremors and heart palpitations come and go as they please. And there's the constant sinking fatigue - plus a gnawing anxiety because I don't know when I will get better.

And no-one seems to know what is happening in my body.

My children talk about "the time before mummy got sick" and ask regularly when I will be better. They ask why I can't chase them, can't play ball. Why I can't get out of bed to walk them up to school.

I drop pans when cooking for them as my hands shake so much. The other day I keeled over in front of them because of vertigo. My eight-year-old daughter still has some symptoms. She is back at school but is easily fatigued and has heart palpitations. She can climb trees but walking up stairs leaves her exhausted.

We have both had extensive blood tests, chest x-rays and heart scans. We've both been told to wait and rest and pace but for how long? And how can I explain pacing to an eight-year-old if I can't get it right myself?

What is long Covid?

Data analysis by Kings College London suggests about one in 20 of those people who contracted Covid-19 in the UK are suffering long-term symptoms. One in 10 are suffering for three weeks or more.

Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College and leader of the Covid Symptom Study app, says about 300,000 people in the UK have reported symptoms lasting for more than a month - so called long Covid. Data from the app shows about 60,000 people have been ill for more than three months. He says the more we know about Covid "the weirder it gets".

There are growing concerns about the impact of post-viral inflammation and long-term damage to organs and the cardiovascular system.

On Facebook and Slack thousands of people in the UK and abroad have joined long Covid support groups where mothers and fathers, sons and daughters describe an enduring medley of symptoms including shortness of breath, fevers, heart palpitations, gastrointestinal problems, headaches, sore throats and chronic fatigue. Many of those on the groups were formerly healthy and active and don't fit the demographic of those we were told would face the greatest danger from the virus.

Many are in their 30s, 40s and 50s. There are marathon runners, cyclists and gym-goers, parents talking about young children with long Covid, and students in their 20s. Most are struggling to get support. Some tested positive for Covid-19. Others, like me, fell ill when there was no testing available.

For those of us on the Facebook Long Covid Support group, this is one of the only places to get help.

When my hair started falling out by the fistful in the summer, other members explained the same was happening to them.

Prof Garner tells me that currently he feels "many of the patients know more than the doctors". He says it's time to start sharing that knowledge and ensure there is proper medical screening of those with long Covid.

No-one can explain how long it will last

My GP has been vigilant. Consultants have been interested and ruled out everything other than Covid-19 but no-one seems able to explain how long the symptoms will last or how to get rid of them.

One consultant explained that even though the live coronavirus has effectively died, my body still thinks it is there. It has become a ghost in my system and every day I exhaust myself fighting something which isn't there. A cardiologist explained to me that the virus can knock out of kilter the normally automatic systems - heart rate, breathing, body temperature. All things which seem pretty important.

Some doctors, patients and academics are campaigning for more research and rehabilitation for long Covid sufferers. The UK government and NHS England have said they are working on Covid rehab centres and community services for every part of England.

But as it stands many areas don't have such centres, and people on the long Covid Facebook group are struggling for medical and psychological support. Many feel they are not being listened to.

The Scottish government has talked about a long Covid "framework" and person-centred rehab. But when I ask my GP for a referral to a rehab centre she says they've been told nothing about their existence. The NHS says it now officially recognises long Covid but even the doctors I've spoken to feel they are struggling to access tests, care and support. For most it's a question of being left to fend for yourself.

I'm lucky though. I've got a supportive husband and family, enthusiastic young children who make me laugh and great friends who keep in touch. And I've still got a job to go back to.

Many others have not been so fortunate. I've spoken to people in Scotland and elsewhere who have lost their jobs because they were off sick with long Covid. Others, including cleaners and care staff, feel they've been forced to go back despite all the symptoms because they're on zero hours contracts or have run out of sick pay.

It leaves serious questions for employers and government at all levels on how to support those suffering long Covid.

No end in sight

I assumed I could push through this illness. That I could drive my way out of it through exercise and good diet and supplements. It has always worked in the past. It turns out that is not the case. And some small-scale recent studies suggest that trying to push through could actually make things worse.

In January our then seven-year-old daughter was so anxious about coronavirus coming to Scotland that we showed her how far away China was on the map. We said that even if it did reach here it would only be like getting a bad cold. It was a grossly inaccurate forecast.

About 1.25 million people have died worldwide. Families have been devastated.

Everyone is coming to terms with a new reality.

As the number of people struggling with long Covid increases, it feels important to shift the narrative away from just focusing on how deadly the virus can be. There are thousands of people with long-term effects who still don't have an end in sight.

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No Carnival for sure. (I don't know what he said before this so someone else will please fill in)

Children might go back to school in January 2021. Even if it is only for one day.

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Postby zoom rader » November 7th, 2020, 2:37 pm

bluefete wrote:No Carnival for sure. (I don't know what he said before this so someone else will please fill in)

Children might go back to school in January 2021. Even if it is only for one day.
Carnival must now be banned permanently.

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Postby bluefete » November 7th, 2020, 2:38 pm

zoom rader wrote:
bluefete wrote:No Carnival for sure. (I don't know what he said before this so someone else will please fill in)

Children might go back to school in January 2021. Even if it is only for one day.
Carnival must now be banned permanently.


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Postby MaxPower » November 7th, 2020, 2:40 pm

zoom rader wrote:
bluefete wrote:No Carnival for sure. (I don't know what he said before this so someone else will please fill in)

Children might go back to school in January 2021. Even if it is only for one day.
Carnival must now be banned permanently.


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Postby K74T » November 7th, 2020, 2:40 pm

In house dining at restaurants allowed at 50% capacity, no table more than ten persons allowed. No alcohol to be served.

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Food and drink allowed in cinemas. Masks to be put back on after consumptions. 50% capacity.

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Postby redmanjp » November 7th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Restaurants open for dining at 50 %. No alcohol
Eating allowed in cinemas

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Postby MaxPower » November 7th, 2020, 2:42 pm

Friends,

What Keith saying?

Borders open?

SouSou admins are eager to migrate.

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Postby zoom rader » November 7th, 2020, 2:43 pm

K74T wrote:Food and drink allowed in cinemas. Masks to be put back on after consumptions. 50% capacity.
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Postby aaron17 » November 7th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Take money and run?

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Postby redmanjp » November 7th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Salt for bars I take it as he ban alcohol consumption

Religious services allowed 90 mins
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Postby K74T » November 7th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Religious services no more than 90 minutes.

No changes to education system.

Bars still operating on take out services only.

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Postby RedVEVO » November 7th, 2020, 2:48 pm

^^

Bars and Borders closed ?

Now is a good time to change Piarco Airport into a Bus Station .

Build a NEW one and increase employment - stimulate the economy .

T&T does not need a $300 M TTPS building .

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