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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby Strugglerzinc » June 15th, 2020, 9:25 am

We all know the heart of the matter is they don't want to come out during July/August vacation time. This despite being home for 3 months now.

Any dummy could have seen they would fight anything that brings them out before September.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby De Dragon » June 15th, 2020, 1:44 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So if the teachers hold fast to their position, will Garcia and MoE push for SEA in August regardless? Will ego triumph over properly prepared students?


Students are prepared, teachers are not willing to compromise their vacation times..... please know thats the real issue here.. Students were 2 weeks away from their date in April, they would have had to have been ready........ this whole postponement is now emotionally playing with the children who have this uncertainty hanging over them the past few months.....
Teachers in the union are just being selfish now!

Prepared for April with teachers' help. It is now June, might some of the sharpness have been lost? Everyone agrees that a month is required, because while many teachers were still conducting some form of classes, it isn't really a substitute for teacher/student interaction in a classroom with personal attention, plus not everyone has online access.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby aaron17 » June 15th, 2020, 2:25 pm

If children had 3 months vacation and they had to come out ash wednesday after carnival, they still not coming out..

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby Redman » June 15th, 2020, 4:41 pm

We need to privatize education in this country.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby zoom rader » June 15th, 2020, 5:02 pm

Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.
We had that here before in 1962 but PNM put their hands on it

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby *$kїđž!™ » July 6th, 2020, 6:47 am

Some schools are saying sept will be term 1 but i heard garcia say sept will be term 3 that was missed.....which is correct.?


Anybody has any info ?

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby goalpost » July 6th, 2020, 7:02 am

From what I gather, they're trying to start term 1 for all classes in September except those who wrote SEA, CSEC or CAPE.
Those will start their new school/class in January.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby *$kїđž!™ » July 6th, 2020, 7:06 am

So what about term 3...thar was missed?
How they gonna make up 4 that?
Not all.teachers did online work and kids without access would be disadvantaged

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby VexXx Dogg » July 6th, 2020, 10:19 am

*$kїđž!™ wrote:Some schools are saying sept will be term 1 but i heard garcia say sept will be term 3 that was missed.....which is correct.?


Anybody has any info ?


From what I understand, Semester will be term 1, with children being promoted to the next level. The exceptions will be the Form 1s who will be starting a few weeks late.

The term three thing was discussed as an option earlier on, but I suppose it was shelved.

This is based on my interpretation of the news articles as well as a letter from my child's school.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby teems1 » July 6th, 2020, 10:49 am

Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.


If you think that certain socio-economic segments are under represented in "prestige schools", wait till you see what will happens after privatization.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby Redman » July 6th, 2020, 3:43 pm

teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.


If you think that certain socio-economic segments are under represented in "prestige schools", wait till you see what will happens after privatization.


Well instead of us allocating billions every year to a ministry of education...that seems unable to run a high school to deliver the goods....let’s privatize all.

So tender out management of xyz govt sec.
Price is per student per term.

Syllabuses are given..KPIs stated, requirements set....deliverables communicated.
The ministry can just now be managing managers of the school system.

We have a bunch of private schools being successfully run...and they can expand.....into management contracts for a govt owned and maintained building.

We can move towards having 100s of schools where a child has a real opportunity to do well...if they work hard, because the syllabus is actually being taught and teachers showing up.
As it is now if you not in the top schools you have problems, not because you stupid but because the teachers ain’t teaching, and the school is poorly managed.

A mediocre child in a prestige school has a good shot at doing well.

A great child in a junior sec is screwed for life.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby redmanjp » July 6th, 2020, 4:04 pm

SEA & CXC results this year will suck- exams are enough stress by themselves- this year covid & the resulting school closures would have severely disrupted the student's education- yes some may have had virtual classes but not everyone would have had access to that, and perhaps not all teachers would have bothered

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 6th, 2020, 4:14 pm

redmanjp wrote:SEA & CXC results this year will suck- exams are enough stress by themselves- this year covid & the resulting school closures would have severely disrupted the student's education- yes some may have had virtual classes but not everyone would have had access to that, and perhaps not all teachers would have bothered


That is nothing, the collapse of Point Lisas as we speak will mean that much of their education and years being spent in school would result in them coming out and not finding work.

Even worse as this pandemic continues we may reach the point of inflation where we may not even be able to afford food.

Yes the situation is that bad and it's only just started and doesn't seem like a Vaccine is going to be developed soon if ever. There is also another virus coming out of China, the world could easily be plunged into a recession worse than World War 2 if this keeps up the way it is and a vaccine isn't found.

I don't think other countries are considering letting children back into school, Trinidad might also want to weigh the seriousness of this situation and decide if we should keep school closed until a vaccine is developed, schools are literally the embodiment of social gathering.

How they expect to keep the same capacity of kids and still allow social distancing? that is clearly an impossible task and the government would be very foolish to reopen schools this year. Schools are literally the biggest breach of Covid regulations, scientists have warned against reopening schools until a vaccine is found Rowley would do well to listen to the scientists.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby redmanjp » July 6th, 2020, 4:20 pm

yeah another H1N1 G4 virus- and i now reading a case of bubonic plague :roll:

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » July 6th, 2020, 4:21 pm

redmanjp wrote:yeah another H1N1 G4 virus- and i now reading a case of bubonic plague :roll:


I legit taught you were being sarcastic about the bubonic plague

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/suspected- ... lia-china/

^ WOW

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby maj. tom » July 6th, 2020, 4:54 pm

Bubonic plague pops up all the time all over the world, even in the USA. It's on a lot of animals in the wild that have fleas that carry the Yersinia pestis bacteria.
There was a death case in Mongolia in 2019 was caused by two idiots who "consumed raw marmot as a folk remedy."
(this folk medicine thing by the uneducated bumpkins is the real problem with China and has caused innumerable extinction of species all over the world by poaching).

Deaths do happen in USA too because they don't seek treatment early. Why the ass they don't report those statistics? It's not really a problem today compared to the Middle Ages because we have antibiotics.
16 people died in USA in 2015

SO once again, that's just a case of "news have to sell" as well as fueling the right wing Trump blame "CHINA!" people.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby Dizzy28 » July 8th, 2020, 8:40 am

Redman wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.


If you think that certain socio-economic segments are under represented in "prestige schools", wait till you see what will happens after privatization.


Well instead of us allocating billions every year to a ministry of education...that seems unable to run a high school to deliver the goods....let’s privatize all.

So tender out management of xyz govt sec.
Price is per student per term.

Syllabuses are given..KPIs stated, requirements set....deliverables communicated.
The ministry can just now be managing managers of the school system.

We have a bunch of private schools being successfully run...and they can expand.....into management contracts for a govt owned and maintained building.

We can move towards having 100s of schools where a child has a real opportunity to do well...if they work hard, because the syllabus is actually being taught and teachers showing up.
As it is now if you not in the top schools you have problems, not because you stupid but because the teachers ain’t teaching, and the school is poorly managed.

A mediocre child in a prestige school has a good shot at doing well.

A great child in a junior sec is screwed for life.


Nah I good. Privatization would lead to the SISs, Kallcos and the Nahouses end up running all the schools

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby teems1 » July 8th, 2020, 12:41 pm

Redman wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.


If you think that certain socio-economic segments are under represented in "prestige schools", wait till you see what will happens after privatization.


Well instead of us allocating billions every year to a ministry of education...that seems unable to run a high school to deliver the goods....let’s privatize all.

So tender out management of xyz govt sec.
Price is per student per term.

Syllabuses are given..KPIs stated, requirements set....deliverables communicated.
The ministry can just now be managing managers of the school system.

We have a bunch of private schools being successfully run...and they can expand.....into management contracts for a govt owned and maintained building.

We can move towards having 100s of schools where a child has a real opportunity to do well...if they work hard, because the syllabus is actually being taught and teachers showing up.
As it is now if you not in the top schools you have problems, not because you stupid but because the teachers ain’t teaching, and the school is poorly managed.

A mediocre child in a prestige school has a good shot at doing well.

A great child in a junior sec is screwed for life.


Isn't it common knowledge that for a student to succeed academically, they need 3 legs on a stool which need to all be solid.

1) Student. Their ability/motivation/environment.
2) Parents. Their involvement to guide their child.
3) School. Diligent hardworking teachers, principal safe facilities etc.

If you were to take the principal and teachers from a prestige school and put them in a non prestige school, you magically won't get better grades.

It's the reason why so many parents are willing to go the extra mile to get their child into a prestige school.

It's easy to throw out cliches that a rising tide raises all ships, but it's equally true a rotten apple spoils the barrel.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby alfa » July 8th, 2020, 1:45 pm

teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:We need to privatize education in this country.


If you think that certain socio-economic segments are under represented in "prestige schools", wait till you see what will happens after privatization.


Well instead of us allocating billions every year to a ministry of education...that seems unable to run a high school to deliver the goods....let’s privatize all.

So tender out management of xyz govt sec.
Price is per student per term.

Syllabuses are given..KPIs stated, requirements set....deliverables communicated.
The ministry can just now be managing managers of the school system.

We have a bunch of private schools being successfully run...and they can expand.....into management contracts for a govt owned and maintained building.

We can move towards having 100s of schools where a child has a real opportunity to do well...if they work hard, because the syllabus is actually being taught and teachers showing up.
As it is now if you not in the top schools you have problems, not because you stupid but because the teachers ain’t teaching, and the school is poorly managed.

A mediocre child in a prestige school has a good shot at doing well.

A great child in a junior sec is screwed for life.


Isn't it common knowledge that for a student to succeed academically, they need 3 legs on a stool which need to all be solid.

1) Student. Their ability/motivation/environment.
2) Parents. Their involvement to guide their child.
3) School. Diligent hardworking teachers, principal safe facilities etc.

If you were to take the principal and teachers from a prestige school and put them in a non prestige school, you magically won't get better grades.

It's the reason why so many parents are willing to go the extra mile to get their child into a prestige school.

It's easy to throw out cliches that a rising tide raises all ships, but it's equally true a rotten apple spoils the barrel.

What's prestige about said schools are the students themselves as they place the highest scoring students in those schools. I've known folks who paid to get their kids into prestige schools they didn't pass for and while they turned out to be decent people they still failed academically. So the students are the driving force and secondly the parental support. Teachers are required to have the same qualifications and receive the same pay across the board. Although some teachers in prestige schools feel there's something special about that but it ain't so.


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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby nemisis » July 13th, 2020, 1:41 pm

I'm home schooling my 7 year old from September while we observe this covid situation. People inconsiderate with things like keeping their kids home for a common cold far less now you have the worry about covid. The schools also using language that does not induce confidence in their systems.


They will encourage parents to keep sick kids home, they will remind children to practice social distancing, they will sanitize at regular intervals, children will be required to wear masks. Schools not able to do this on a norm but ministry want you to believe this will be the new norm.

I feel sorry for anyone who may be forced into sending their kids out for this.

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Postby Ben_spanna » July 13th, 2020, 2:32 pm

nemisis wrote:I'm home schooling my 7 year old from September while we observe this covid situation. People inconsiderate with things like keeping their kids home for a common cold far less now you have the worry about covid. The schools also using language that does not induce confidence in their systems.


They will encourage parents to keep sick kids home, they will remind children to practice social distancing, they will sanitize at regular intervals, children will be required to wear masks. Schools not able to do this on a norm but ministry want you to believe this will be the new norm.

I feel sorry for anyone who may be forced into sending their kids out for this.


Actually besides Covid, many many other parents i have spoken to all agree that this is the first time in so long that their kids have Not been sick at all, with the quarantine period that we already went through , alot of common colds, flus, viruses, stomach bugs, measels, chicken pox have not had anyone to circulate to, their kids have been very healthy... and i think as long as we dont have too many visitors or people coming and going it should stay that way.
A majority of our sickness comes from people visiting abroad and bringing back their viruses.....

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 13th, 2020, 3:09 pm

Taken from a PDF document on Guidelines for the Reopening of Schools

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 13th, 2020, 3:13 pm

Wonder how TTUTA will react to the "cycling" method?
And there's also the issue of parents having kids home one day on, one day off.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby pete » July 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm

These are guidelines for September?

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby Dizzy28 » July 13th, 2020, 3:52 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Wonder how TTUTA will react to the "cycling" method?
And there's also the issue of parents having kids home one day on, one day off.


My son is in preschool and at a meeting two weeks ago some parents already indicated that the one day on, one day off just wouldn't work for them.

I really studying to keep my son home till next year. He's 4 and missing a year at that age isn't going to impact his life significantly.

My wife is also a stay at home mum so she can do exercises with him.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 13th, 2020, 4:39 pm

pete wrote:These are guidelines for September?

Yes based on the school year calendar also published by the Ministry earlier today
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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby bluefete » July 13th, 2020, 6:58 pm

Most parents have NO IDEA that this is coming.

Wait for it.

Principals and teachers are already stressed out.

Lance Mottley and The Primary Schools Principal Association have gone quiet.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby VexXx Dogg » July 13th, 2020, 6:59 pm

bluefete wrote:Most parents have NO IDEA that this is coming.

Wait for it.

Principals and teachers are already stressed out.

Lance Mottley and The Primary Schools Principal Association have gone quiet.


It sharing in the whatsapp groups already, but the implications eh register.
Will employers be flexible? This is going to stretch and stress a lot of working parents.

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Re: Minister of Education: It seems impossible for schools to reopen before September 2020

Postby bluefete » July 13th, 2020, 7:05 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:
bluefete wrote:Most parents have NO IDEA that this is coming.

Wait for it.

Principals and teachers are already stressed out.

Lance Mottley and The Primary Schools Principal Association have gone quiet.


It sharing in the whatsapp groups already, but the implications eh register.
Will employers be flexible? This is going to stretch and stress a lot of working parents.


You got that right!!!!! Real stress coming up from September 2020.

No wonder elections call on August 10th. LOL.

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