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Devourment wrote:I rarely voice myself on 2nr put this entire post is making me sick with the selfishness I'm seeing.
This is why I fully endorse mandatory vaccines for those who are well enough to take it.
If not, anyone responsible for spreading covid-19 which results in death, after a vaccine has been available for at least 3 months (giving you time to get immunized) should be charged with manslaughter. Now legally I know that's not going to happen, but effectively that is what it comes down to.
You can be contributing to the death of people. Remember many of these vaccines at not 100% effective, so maybe 1 in 15 persons who did take the vaccine won't have protection.
These 'wait and see' people want the privilege of going back to a non-lockdown lifestyle, without getting vaccinated. You are no different from the anti-vaxers in the US who are responsible for new measles outbreaks.
That is utterly selfish behavior and I need to stress that again. Making everyone else get a vaccine while you sit back on your a$$ and hope herd immunity protects you and your family is SELFISH.
Realistically, if you're not vaccinated you should not be allowed in public spaces like schools, churches, workplaces, cinemas, gyms, parties, bars and restaurants.
Devourment wrote:I rarely voice myself on 2nr put this entire post is making me sick with the selfishness I'm seeing.
This is why I fully endorse mandatory vaccines for those who are well enough to take it.
If not, anyone responsible for spreading covid-19 which results in death, after a vaccine has been available for at least 3 months (giving you time to get immunized) should be charged with manslaughter. Now legally I know that's not going to happen, but effectively that is what it comes down to.
You can be contributing to the death of people. Remember many of these vaccines at not 100% effective, so maybe 1 in 15 persons who did take the vaccine won't have protection.
These 'wait and see' people want the privilege of going back to a non-lockdown lifestyle, without getting vaccinated. You are no different from the anti-vaxers in the US who are responsible for new measles outbreaks.
That is utterly selfish behavior and I need to stress that again. Making everyone else get a vaccine while you sit back on your a$$ and hope herd immunity protects you and your family is SELFISH.
Realistically, if you're not vaccinated you should not be allowed in public spaces like schools, churches, workplaces, cinemas, gyms, parties, bars and restaurants.
Exactly. When you purchase almost any pharmaceutical drug, there is a list on the package that indicates the possible side-effects. To date, no side-effects have been listed. Does that mean that there aren't any? Of course not! It just means that not enough time has elapsed for them to be discovered. But again, because of the diré situation and the rush to get back to 'normal' because of the socio-economic consequences humans have suffered, everyone wants to obtain a vaccine as expeditiously as possible.hover11 wrote:Is better you don't comment anymore because you can't tell people what their choice is, If I choose not to take this vaccine which I will not ,due to it being rushed and appear like the savior for us , I rather let the guinea pigs I.e you , take the vaccine and watch how you progress in life, when complications appear not if, when they appear I will hear you singing a different tune right back on hereDevourment wrote:I rarely voice myself on 2nr put this entire post is making me sick with the selfishness I'm seeing.
This is why I fully endorse mandatory vaccines for those who are well enough to take it.
If not, anyone responsible for spreading covid-19 which results in death, after a vaccine has been available for at least 3 months (giving you time to get immunized) should be charged with manslaughter. Now legally I know that's not going to happen, but effectively that is what it comes down to.
You can be contributing to the death of people. Remember many of these vaccines at not 100% effective, so maybe 1 in 15 persons who did take the vaccine won't have protection.
These 'wait and see' people want the privilege of going back to a non-lockdown lifestyle, without getting vaccinated. You are no different from the anti-vaxers in the US who are responsible for new measles outbreaks.
That is utterly selfish behavior and I need to stress that again. Making everyone else get a vaccine while you sit back on your a$$ and hope herd immunity protects you and your family is SELFISH.
Realistically, if you're not vaccinated you should not be allowed in public spaces like schools, churches, workplaces, cinemas, gyms, parties, bars and restaurants.
killercow wrote:Exactly. When you purchase almost any pharmaceutical drug, there is a list on the package that indicates the possible side-effects. To date, no side-effects have been listed. Does that mean that there aren't any? Of course not! It just means that not enough time has elapsed for them to be discovered. But again, because of the diré situation and the rush to get back to 'normal' because of the socio-economic consequences humans have suffered, everyone wants to obtain a vaccine as expeditiously as possible.hover11 wrote:Is better you don't comment anymore because you can't tell people what their choice is, If I choose not to take this vaccine which I will not ,due to it being rushed and appear like the savior for us , I rather let the guinea pigs I.e you , take the vaccine and watch how you progress in life, when complications appear not if, when they appear I will hear you singing a different tune right back on hereDevourment wrote:I rarely voice myself on 2nr put this entire post is making me sick with the selfishness I'm seeing.
This is why I fully endorse mandatory vaccines for those who are well enough to take it.
If not, anyone responsible for spreading covid-19 which results in death, after a vaccine has been available for at least 3 months (giving you time to get immunized) should be charged with manslaughter. Now legally I know that's not going to happen, but effectively that is what it comes down to.
You can be contributing to the death of people. Remember many of these vaccines at not 100% effective, so maybe 1 in 15 persons who did take the vaccine won't have protection.
These 'wait and see' people want the privilege of going back to a non-lockdown lifestyle, without getting vaccinated. You are no different from the anti-vaxers in the US who are responsible for new measles outbreaks.
That is utterly selfish behavior and I need to stress that again. Making everyone else get a vaccine while you sit back on your a$$ and hope herd immunity protects you and your family is SELFISH.
Realistically, if you're not vaccinated you should not be allowed in public spaces like schools, churches, workplaces, cinemas, gyms, parties, bars and restaurants.
Simply put:
Ginea pigs = money>health
Ppl like me = health>money
elec2020 wrote:How om God's green earth can they prove that i spread it? This isn't HIV where u know if u last bull that person and u pick it up is that person who most likely give it to u. At any point when u leave your home u at risk of contracting the thing. If u knowingly have it and gone around palancing like is no deal thats a different story. But if u have no symptoms how i gah know i have the thing. Oh gosh nah people. Think nah. But now we moving to a world where its do as i say. Human rights don't matter anymore. 2020 really equal 1800
elec2020 wrote:How om God's green earth can they prove that i spread it? This isn't HIV where u know if u last bull that person and u pick it up is that person who most likely give it to u. At any point when u leave your home u at risk of contracting the thing. If u knowingly have it and gone around palancing like is no deal thats a different story. But if u have no symptoms how i gah know i have the thing. Oh gosh nah people. Think nah. But now we moving to a world where its do as i say. Human rights don't matter anymore. 2020 really equal 1800
Penguin wrote:elec2020 wrote:How om God's green earth can they prove that i spread it? This isn't HIV where u know if u last bull that person and u pick it up is that person who most likely give it to u. At any point when u leave your home u at risk of contracting the thing. If u knowingly have it and gone around palancing like is no deal thats a different story. But if u have no symptoms how i gah know i have the thing. Oh gosh nah people. Think nah. But now we moving to a world where its do as i say. Human rights don't matter anymore. 2020 really equal 1800
Honest question, are you pretending to be this dumb?
elec2020 wrote:Penguin wrote:elec2020 wrote:How om God's green earth can they prove that i spread it? This isn't HIV where u know if u last bull that person and u pick it up is that person who most likely give it to u. At any point when u leave your home u at risk of contracting the thing. If u knowingly have it and gone around palancing like is no deal thats a different story. But if u have no symptoms how i gah know i have the thing. Oh gosh nah people. Think nah. But now we moving to a world where its do as i say. Human rights don't matter anymore. 2020 really equal 1800
Honest question, are you pretending to be this dumb?
Since u so smart explain to me how they can trace that at a particular point in time, and at this precise location (that is at this door knob for example) my actions gave this person covid 19. Cause in the court of law the burden of proof lies on the prosecution. So how the prosectution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that i gave this person covid. Does covid carry over my dna when transmitted to someone? So they can say aye look your dna is present in the covid this person got. U guys think the world is black and white. It rarely is. Anyway as stated earlier please explain how can people be charged for infecting someone with covid (beyond a reasonable doubt). And i am referring to people who do not know that they have the disease. That is people who are not on state quarantine.
Dohplaydat wrote:killercow wrote:Exactly. When you purchase almost any pharmaceutical drug, there is a list on the package that indicates the possible side-effects. To date, no side-effects have been listed. Does that mean that there aren't any? Of course not! It just means that not enough time has elapsed for them to be discovered. But again, because of the diré situation and the rush to get back to 'normal' because of the socio-economic consequences humans have suffered, everyone wants to obtain a vaccine as expeditiously as possible.hover11 wrote:Is better you don't comment anymore because you can't tell people what their choice is, If I choose not to take this vaccine which I will not ,due to it being rushed and appear like the savior for us , I rather let the guinea pigs I.e you , take the vaccine and watch how you progress in life, when complications appear not if, when they appear I will hear you singing a different tune right back on hereDevourment wrote:I rarely voice myself on 2nr put this entire post is making me sick with the selfishness I'm seeing.
This is why I fully endorse mandatory vaccines for those who are well enough to take it.
If not, anyone responsible for spreading covid-19 which results in death, after a vaccine has been available for at least 3 months (giving you time to get immunized) should be charged with manslaughter. Now legally I know that's not going to happen, but effectively that is what it comes down to.
You can be contributing to the death of people. Remember many of these vaccines at not 100% effective, so maybe 1 in 15 persons who did take the vaccine won't have protection.
These 'wait and see' people want the privilege of going back to a non-lockdown lifestyle, without getting vaccinated. You are no different from the anti-vaxers in the US who are responsible for new measles outbreaks.
That is utterly selfish behavior and I need to stress that again. Making everyone else get a vaccine while you sit back on your a$$ and hope herd immunity protects you and your family is SELFISH.
Realistically, if you're not vaccinated you should not be allowed in public spaces like schools, churches, workplaces, cinemas, gyms, parties, bars and restaurants.
Simply put:
Ginea pigs = money>health
Ppl like me = health>money
I think his point flew over y'all heads there.
If you don't take it, then you should be prepared to wearing masks around everyone.
And it's a valid point, if you do spread covid to someone then you should be charged.
elec2020 wrote:Why dohplaydat feels the need to have to use insults to make a point. Anyway if it was such a matter of life and death the WHO and or UN would have made it mandatory for all member states. I wonder why they haven't said anything to that nature.
Penguin wrote:elec2020 wrote:Penguin wrote:elec2020 wrote:How om God's green earth can they prove that i spread it? This isn't HIV where u know if u last bull that person and u pick it up is that person who most likely give it to u. At any point when u leave your home u at risk of contracting the thing. If u knowingly have it and gone around palancing like is no deal thats a different story. But if u have no symptoms how i gah know i have the thing. Oh gosh nah people. Think nah. But now we moving to a world where its do as i say. Human rights don't matter anymore. 2020 really equal 1800
Honest question, are you pretending to be this dumb?
Since u so smart explain to me how they can trace that at a particular point in time, and at this precise location (that is at this door knob for example) my actions gave this person covid 19. Cause in the court of law the burden of proof lies on the prosecution. So how the prosectution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that i gave this person covid. Does covid carry over my dna when transmitted to someone? So they can say aye look your dna is present in the covid this person got. U guys think the world is black and white. It rarely is. Anyway as stated earlier please explain how can people be charged for infecting someone with covid (beyond a reasonable doubt). And i am referring to people who do not know that they have the disease. That is people who are not on state quarantine.
Because the point many have been making in this thread is going straight over your head.
They are saying, if you don't take a vaccine when it's available, and you spread covid, you are responsible indirectly for killing those people (if they die).
Especially if you can be an asymptomatic carrier! You need to be responsible and wear a mask at all times around other people, unless they give you permission too.
If you and many others refuse to take a vaccine, then if you all rejoin a maskless society and spread covid, then it should be a deemed a criminal offence, because you have put others at risk. I see you brought up human rights, well think of the others your irresponsibility can affect!
Now charging people for this isn't realistic, but i think they were alluding to a matter of principle.
Your actions for rejecting the vaccine should be faced with society rejecting your presence, unless you wear a mask at all times. That is all.
Dohplaydat wrote:elec2020 wrote:Why dohplaydat feels the need to have to use insults to make a point. Anyway if it was such a matter of life and death the WHO and or UN would have made it mandatory for all member states. I wonder why they haven't said anything to that nature.
Dude vaccines are like masks, they aren't just there to protect you, they're there to protect others as well.
Didn't many countries make masks mandatory...
Also, it's too soon for WHO and others to call for this, because there simply won't be enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone for some time.
However, the high risk, elderly, front line and other high exposure jobs should be first. Then every one else.
We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle.
Maybe you want everyone to suffer like you, but some of us want to to return to normal life asap.
And for that matter, these new vaccines literally have very very low risk for long term side effects. The major sides are short term and then they're gone.
RedVEVO wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:elec2020 wrote:Why dohplaydat feels the need to have to use insults to make a point. Anyway if it was such a matter of life and death the WHO and or UN would have made it mandatory for all member states. I wonder why they haven't said anything to that nature.
Dude vaccines are like masks, they aren't just there to protect you, they're there to protect others as well.
Didn't many countries make masks mandatory...
Also, it's too soon for WHO and others to call for this, because there simply won't be enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone for some time.
However, the high risk, elderly, front line and other high exposure jobs should be first. Then every one else.
We need society back to normal bro, I f*cking hate the lack of human interaction, economic fallout, no parties and carnival lifestyle.
Maybe you want everyone to suffer like you, but some of us want to to return to normal life asap.
And for that matter, these new vaccines literally have very very low risk for long term side effects. The major sides are short term and then they're gone.
The vaccine NOT even ready and you already know ALL this information ?
Maybe you should be the first guinea to take the vaccine and we will observe
elec2020 wrote:^how can long term side effects not exist when 3 years haven't passed since someone got the vaccine? the articles provided also do not state whether or not long term side effects are anticipated (in the second article in particular the individual did not know if he got the vaccine or not so his statements should be taken with a pinch of salt). as the older heads say. The proof is in the pudding. this is my last comment on long term effects of the vaccine as u have shown time and time again that u have a tendency to resort to insulting people who dare to question u.
Gladiator wrote:Question for the Tuner biomedical engineers.... is this COVID19 vaccine the first mRNA type vaccine to be used on humans or are any other vaccines currently in use based on that type of technology?
Employers can currently require vaccinations, educational levels, drug testing, no carrying of weapons, restriction of use of profanity, dress codes, and clean criminal backgrounds as conditions of continuing employment or even presence on grounds.redmanjp wrote:I doh think the Govt can make it mandatory for anyone to get stick with a needle just like they can't force u to get tested or treated for covid (they CAN quarantine you though under the Quarantine Act) . But for certain things like traveling on a flight or enrolling children in schools they can do that, they already require that for schools and covid being under the Quarantine schedule as a dangerous infectious disease would certainly qualify for that
adnj wrote:Employers can currently require vaccinations, educational levels, drug testing, no carrying of weapons, restriction of use of profanity, dress codes, and clean criminal backgrounds as conditions of continuing employment or even presence on grounds.redmanjp wrote:I doh think the Govt can make it mandatory for anyone to get stick with a needle just like they can't force u to get tested or treated for covid (they CAN quarantine you though under the Quarantine Act) . But for certain things like traveling on a flight or enrolling children in schools they can do that, they already require that for schools and covid being under the Quarantine schedule as a dangerous infectious disease would certainly qualify for that
The restrictions fall under the auspices of at will employment.
You can be restricted from a retailer's premises, airline or other common carrier, hotel, resort, theater, restaurant, or casino, also.
You can opt out of taking a vaccine - just stay at home and it will not matter.
hover11 wrote:Employers can for those that are non unionized however if unionized that will be huge challenge I foresee great struggle for the entire public service to take suchadnj wrote:Employers can currently require vaccinations, educational levels, drug testing, no carrying of weapons, restriction of use of profanity, dress codes, and clean criminal backgrounds as conditions of continuing employment or even presence on grounds.redmanjp wrote:I doh think the Govt can make it mandatory for anyone to get stick with a needle just like they can't force u to get tested or treated for covid (they CAN quarantine you though under the Quarantine Act) . But for certain things like traveling on a flight or enrolling children in schools they can do that, they already require that for schools and covid being under the Quarantine schedule as a dangerous infectious disease would certainly qualify for that
The restrictions fall under the auspices of at will employment.
You can be restricted from a retailer's premises, airline or other common carrier, hotel, resort, theater, restaurant, or casino, also.
You can opt out of taking a vaccine - just stay at home and it will not matter.
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