if two cars of same model, but different trim, making the same power are in the same class.... one model may have a feature like a sway bar coming as stock, whereas the lower trim car gets a penalty point for putting even an oem bar on the car... I don't see this as a fair assessment. I would say that a car be rated as 'oem' if the suspension modification duplicates the parts of the highest trim level of available model.
ie... stock sway bar is 17mm.... then adding a 17mm sway to a lower model should not attract a penalty.
X2 wrote:Devi, no need to weigh at each event, but the driver's actual weight should be taken into account, not an average weight.... it's not like we are changing drivers throughout the year.
Intercoolers don't show results on a dyno but do on the street ? Ok... follow that reasoning and I guarantee you that running a car with OPEN HOOD on a dyno will result in better power numbers than the car gets on the street with the hood closed and heat from the asphalt affecting ambient temps. The logic is flawed.
Even vtec controllers typically result in power loss when vtec crossover is altered on lightly modified vehicles.
Upgraded wastegates and downpipes, exhaust manifolds ALL can drastically affect power delivery on or off the dyno. If the rules say that dyno figures will account for all power modifications, then why are exceptions being made ? The p/w ratio method of preliminary classification has too wide of a range to be 'tweaked' for specific modifications.
It is also highly unfair to class say a Civic Type R making 170whp with a DX base model EK with a engine swap making 170whp and then serve up penatly points to the DX for bolting up a strut bar and sway bar just so it could be competitive with a car in it's own class. If this were drag racing, the two cars would be more or less the same, but it's not.
Ingalook wrote wrote:Yup... a Type-r will be in ESP... but if you take a 100hp non-SiR car, and bolt on SiR suspension parts and a vtec controller you will find your arse fighting up in SS
Your current point system also discourages the "poor-men" from entering the sport... why would i try to modify my lil ole-car, make it safer/faster/better if you are going to penalize me for it?
At the same time now, a "rich-boy" who could have afforded to buy a type-r will be laughing as i try to modify my car to be competitive and get put into a higher class while all those parts came stock on his vehicle
ingalook wrote:I know a modified car should not run with unmodified cars... but my point is a FACTORY RACER should not run with stock cars either
Lemme edumacate yuh... additions to a Type-R not found on any other "regular" Hondas:
Seam welded Cassis
Re-enforcerced Rear subframe
Rear lower and upper tie bars
Lower gear ratio
22mm rear sway bar (SiR is 13mm... other civics have none)
Bigger throttle body
End-weights balanced from the factory
Different ECU tuning
Faster steering ratio
About 25 more hp than an SiR
etc etc etc...
How much points you will add if you put all that on a car yourself?
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